Double Deckers for SMRT
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Yishun Problem
Blk 923 (should have rename this)
169, 804, 806, 858, 859, 860, 965, 969
859 had some bendies
2/4 (3/5)
4/8
Northpoint
171, 800, 811, 812
3/4
all are heading into YIS Int
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If really SMRT keen on going with bendies then their trunk & cbd svc must have bendies reduction.In 2 years time 190 fleets can only support 15 bendies & 25 rigids with revised frequencies.969 should be okay but depends on New Tampines Int.169 should be okay with 8 bendies from both side.67 sooner or later bendies sure kena cut.
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should svcs, that are terminating at the bus int, not to call at the bus stop outside the bus int?
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or is there something kept from us and swept under the carpet?
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Seriously... They dunno how to aim at all.. when ppl state facts, their legs just go jelly and aim at someone else alrdy... I still see fallacies... double decks have been on the SG roads since 1977 n till today they're still in use... For 10 yrs w/o the MRT, they solved a lot of loading problems faced by single decks... forget.. it's comments by 8501.. another kid who thinks he knows a lot, and still dun want to read up...
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I was wondering why the heck SMRT put 12m DD beside the usual bendies in the tender??
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there's always policy intervention somewhere.. direct or indirect..
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To put nicely, the interpretation of the DD inclusion in the tender:
Bendies are recognised by SMRT to be inadequete.
To put in a way that the fanboys have yet to comprehend:
Bendies are recognised to have failed by way of comparison to DDs.
Its not the fault of anybody's.
Its the fact that bendies are not well-suited for SG.
Considering how fast the major bus operator chucked bendies aside when the chance came, now that was story enough.
SBST replaced DDs after DDs without fuss.
Yet when its SMRT's turn to do something about its old bendies, they are dithering and the new bendy is still nowhere in sight. Something is not quite right there.
And if its any operator is in a better position to consider the "fanboy ideal fleet", its SBST, not SMRT.
But of course we know that SBST is not showing the slightest inclination to that sort of fleet, which suggests that including bendies is probably not economical in the long-run.
Again, not a far stretch of imagination.
Just some basic logic.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
Yishun Problem
Blk 923 (should have rename this)
169, 804, 806, 858, 859, 860, 965, 969
859 had some bendies
2/4 (3/5)
4/8
Northpoint
171, 800, 811, 812
3/4
all are heading into YIS Int
Correction: 860 stops outside Northpoint, not at the piece of land where the former Block 923 stands.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
If really SMRT keen on going with bendies then their trunk & cbd svc must have bendies reduction.In 2 years time 190 fleets can only support 15 bendies & 25 rigids with revised frequencies.969 should be okay but depends on New Tampines Int.169 should be okay with 8 bendies from both side.67 sooner or later bendies sure kena cut.
No point....if you are gonna cut to small bendy fleet, might as well just eliminate all together and go for homogenised fleet.
If cost wasn't an issue, we would have carried on with midi, van, tonner....
The RSAF went for the F-15/F-16 standard high/low mix.
What did RMAF get?
A fleet that is not fully operation with get this! F-18s, F-5s, SU-30s, MIG-29.
So many types for what?
Now they are retiring their not-quite-old MIG-29 simply because they found the mainteinance of so many types quite frankly, stupid.
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I must add however that I'm a huge fan of the MiG-29.
Beautiful aircraft compared to the F-15.
First chance I got to see the aircraft performed for the first and last time in SG, I grabbed it.
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Originally posted by dan474:
The only reason they used bendies during Airshow is because SMRT is better than SBST for chartering...
They used bendies during airshow due to fast board/alighting, suitable for the organiser~ That means you wouldn't be seeing DDs on charter for these type of event(if I m not wrong~). Same goes for MRT Shuttle.
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Let us see what the army squad can do to improvise bus division and for rail side I believe Mr Simon Tang is more experience in Rail cause he's former HK MTR key ppl
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
If really SMRT keen on going with bendies then their trunk & cbd svc must have bendies reduction.In 2 years time 190 fleets can only support 15 bendies & 25 rigids with revised frequencies.969 should be okay but depends on New Tampines Int.169 should be okay with 8 bendies from both side.67 sooner or later bendies sure kena cut.
I am fine if SMRTB still wants to use bendy buses but they must scale down their bus operations by at least 40%. Places like Yishun, Bukit Batok and even Sembawang should be transfered to SBST and SMRTB should only strictly use bendy buses for feeder services (less than 2 km and only between depots and bus interchange) in the other areas they serve (Woodlands, Bukit Panjang and Chua Chu Kang).
If they want to continue operate bendy buses, they should operate in smaller scales to ensure continuous efficiencies and less delays.
If they want to continue to operate the 6 areas that they are serving now, they should withdraw bendy buses from the roads and eliminate all the delays and inefficiencies caused by bendy buses all these years, and standardised their fleet length to ensure that planning and scheduling is easier and more systematic.
Fact is it will be more chaotic on bus lanes and other bus facilities if the number of bendy buses stays at the current level but with more buses and vehicles on the roads given that the population to be increased to 6.5million in near future and even more for the years to come. And it is simply too uneconomical and costly for a bus company to operate a type of high capacity bus but is very limited in numbers due to space constriants in a country while it has to tackle the increasing demand yet with so much constraints in land space.
Originally posted by dan474:thats why SDs with higher freq or bendies are more suitable for feeders. people are not so willing to move up. moving to the rear is much more easier and better, there is always another exit at the rear unlike DDs.
fyi DDs carry lesser people than bendies... so a full lower deck and half filled upper deck will be like a fully seated bendy with a few standees...
With better frequencies in future, is there still a need for such high capacity buses while blocking the roads of other buses and vehicles?Originally posted by dan474:tell me, who will go up to the upper deck if the ride is just about 10-15min? its not practic putting DDs on feeders which has many facilities along the route or if its short. extending it is not practical either because the extension area demand is prolly low and ypure just wasting fuel not picking up a reasonable amount of passengers.
Go observe places like Tampines, Bedok, Boon Lay, Jurong East before posting your nonsense here. Stop living in your own world.
Originally posted by SMB66X:I've highlighted them~ You should read again ~~
"If 70% of Singaporeas in future faces leg problem.." < How are you going to have more DDs when they have leg problem? You're seriously making them injure more when they headed up~ And are you sure those are young generation people only? It's more of those 20s-30s people please~ Do you think every WAB svc have DDs~~? Even with DD, there's time where they have to skip that DD for the next bus too? So how sure are you that they aren't gonna be waiting? And don't be an ass by putting the word longer~ You've totally change the story~
Wow? "My" large group of bus joyridings? Oh please~ You're talking to the wrong person~~
If the SLs/BCs have been trained, I see no reason for them not checking~~ It's only a minor few of them not checking while leaving~ Like I've said, the bus bay must be slightly bigger, as when the bus move, the car can have some time to react or at least horn/stop~
So you mean that bus operators should go for 100% single deckers if 70% of the elderly have leg problems in future? So should all of these single deckers be fully filled with seats or empty to cater for all your assummed wheelchair bound PIWs?
And on what basis do you think that 70% of the elderly in the future will have leg problems?
Have you even ever seen elderly moving up the stairs despite of them moving slower than the younger generation? Do the elderly in Hong Kong/UK whine like you despite 90% of their fleet using double deckers for the past 10 years?Now SBST and LTA is adding 1000 new B9TL Wrights so it is a matter of time more services will get double deckers in future, depending on the demand of the service.
Problem is SMRT BCs are badly trained in driving, speeding, turning abruptly without signalling first, speeding and stop abruptly, etc. You are making the lives more difficult with your suggestions because they have to turn their heads so much to check the blind spots instead of using the side mirrors to check blind spots to filter out the bus lane. That is why BCs find it more difficult to move out of the bus lane if there is a obstruction like a car blocking the bus lane, compared to a clear bus lane.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
They used bendies during airshow due to fast board/alighting, suitable for the organiser~ That means you wouldn't be seeing DDs on charter for these type of event(if I m not wrong~). Same goes for MRT Shuttle.
No you are wrong.
SBS DDs used to do the airshow charters. But that was at least 10 years ago.
Gotcha.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
Correction: 860 stops outside Northpoint, not at the piece of land where the former Block 923 stands.
oops
my mistake ...
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
No you are wrong.
SBST DDs used to do the airshow charters.
Gotcha.
Yes, but SMRTB is more eager to make profits and sacrificing their basic bus services for these charter services so they snatch the business away from SBST.
Originally posted by dan474:The only reason they used bendies during Airshow is because SMRT is better than SBST for chartering...
Better in chartering but much worse in providing a basic bus service.Then don't operate public bus service, just operate charter service will do.
Originally posted by SBS8501U:If a bendy/rigid/DD fleet doesn't go anywhere, neither will a rigid/DD fleet go anywhere
SBS did well with the single decker and double decker fleet for the past 3 decades.There is no need for so many types of buses to operate under the same company, just a normal loading bus and a high capacity bus will do. SBST had even stopped using midibuses already.
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speeding is bad enough
speeding on a bendy is worse
speeding on a DD is the worst
remember how a DD got flipped over and their high CG
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
No you are wrong.
SBS DDs used to do the airshow charters. But that was at least 10 years ago.
Gotcha.
But they aren't seen nowadays~
All covered by SDs and Bendy~ I guess LTA should go for Triple Decker bus soon More BSEP/Widenning of roads = confirm got a sense of increasing population~ -
That's because SBST no longer does charter service anymore.
It used to be common in 90s to see SBST buses everywhere, from funerals to schools, with the plastic charter desto.
But those days were long gone.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
speeding is bad enough
speeding on a bendy is worse
speeding on a DD is the worst
remember how a DD got flipped over and their high CG
That is why speeding should never been allowed for public buses and should be enforced for the safety for the commuters. Especially for SMRT buses and bendy buses, which overworking them leads to those buses burnt or having high accident rates as shown months back.
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bendy or DD both cannot speed... DD is height problem, bendy is length problem... Need me to say many occasions bendy nearly side swipe w/ other vehicles on PIE over lane changing issues... just because of judgement problem n SL likely presume since they're at 80km/hr can just overtake since they're speeding compared to the slower lorries...
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
No you are wrong.
SBS DDs used to do the airshow charters. But that was at least 10 years ago.
Gotcha.
Hmm I remember and if I'm not mistaken SMRT charge less than SBST to the organiser.
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SMRT charge less but the Air Show planning how? Actually after taking the ride, only to realise Airport can only use 12m buses... cos of the tight turning that's present aft they go build the T3 skytrain link/ viaduct... a lot of planning matters...
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Originally posted by vicamour:
So you mean that bus operators should go for 100% single deckers if 70% of the elderly have leg problems in future? So should all of these single deckers be fully filled with seats or empty to cater for all your assummed wheelchair bound PIWs?
And on what basis do you think that 70% of the elderly in the future will have leg problems?
Have you even ever seen elderly moving up the stairs despite of them moving slower than the younger generation? Do the elderly in Hong Kong/UK whine like you despite 90% of their fleet using double deckers for the past 10 years?Now SBST and LTA is adding 1000 new B9TL Wrights so it is a matter of time more services will get double deckers in future, depending on the demand of the service.
Problem is SMRT BCs are badly trained in driving, speeding, turning abruptly without signalling first, speeding and stop abruptly, etc. You are making the lives more difficult with your suggestions because they have to turn their heads so much to check the blind spots instead of using the side mirrors to check blind spots to filter out the bus lane. That is why BCs find it more difficult to move out of the bus lane if there is a obstruction like a car blocking the bus lane, compared to a clear bus lane.
Not 100% but at least a mixture of SD/DDs in the fleet~ You can say there's elderly going up, but how sure is that? We both seen different cases, I can say majority of the elderly prefer lower deck. The more seats there is, the better it is~ I often heard elderly complaining about less seats in the bus(those KUB)~
I'm ain't sure about HK~ But all I see aren't elderly onboard any DDs on the 2nd deck~~ Plus you can never compare HK's KMB and Singapore's SBSTransit for DDs.
Their DDs have a safer steps, unlike our Singapore, which have a "spiral-staircase" like. There's also more space, and it shows a mini version of those found in a 2-story flat~ Infact, I admire more of HK bus company than our locals one~
Don't just say SMRT, some SBST drivers aren't probably trained~ Infact, I guess LTA should look into it seriously~ Don't say these 2 company, some private company buses do speeds, used road shoulder to kill waiting time for jam~ I've seen SBST drivers using the middle lane at least 80-90% tru-out the entire journey too. So does the issue lies on poor training from "upstairs"(aka trainer) or drive too long turn reckless?
KMB staircase :
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Dennis_Enviro500