You need to see ADDs on 222, 241, 243, 291, 334 during peak hours - faster clearance of queues, upper deck 80-100% full, can take 100+ pax with around 80 pax getting a seat to sit.
It is a myth that ADDs won't do well in CCK, Yishun and WDL. It will infact improve efficiency of the service, and occupy lesser road space with giving more pax seat to sit.
Also WDL feeders / intratowns do longer distance than in Bedok, Jurong, Tampines - so for sure upper deck will get well utilized.
Originally posted by sbst275:There’s a textbook that will tell you why Singapore’s bus int and bus stops none in reality by proper standards can fit the monster bendy bus…
Cos there’s a standard required or expected for bus bay length used by bendy buses at sawtooth bay….
Ppl say those are in theory
ya… but come to think of it, it’s pretty there n reasonable even to SG’s road/ traffic condition…
Totally agree with you. How come LTA is allowing SMRT to purchase 30 more bendies, and there is no sight of purchase of DDs???
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:You need to see ADDs on 222, 241, 243, 291, 334 during peak hours - faster clearance of queues, upper deck 80-100% full, can take 100+ pax with around 80 pax getting a seat to sit.
It is a myth that ADDs won't do well in CCK, Yishun and WDL. It will infact improve efficiency of the service, and occupy lesser road space with giving more pax seat to sit.
Also WDL feeders / intratowns do longer distance than in Bedok, Jurong, Tampines - so for sure upper deck will get well utilized.
yes, the feeders might have a longer distance, but, what about the stops in between? is it just a plain feeder/intratown service which just transports people from between the interchange and their own homes, or dropping off and picking up many pax along the way, especially if there are many facilities along the route, like hospitals, shopping centres, schools. people wont be willing to move up if its just a short 10-15 minute journey.
thats why DDs fare better for trunk services from the heartlands to the city, people will be very willing to move up because their journey will surely be quite long, and getting a seat is better. people are willing to stand if their journey is just a short hop from the interchange to their homes (vice-versa).
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Totally agree with you. How come LTA is allowing SMRT to purchase 30 more bendies, and there is no sight of purchase of DDs???
isnt it obvious that the DD purchase will be longer than the bendy? the A24 was rumoured to be at gemilang's bodywork plant way before the tender for high-capacity buses was called. the only reason that SMRT is willing to buy 30 more bendies is just showing that SMRT is still confident that bendies are still needed to supplement its operations, and i'm sure SMRT will place an order for the E500/K310UD (provided they participated in the tender) soon, once the details are confirmed.
Originally posted by dan474:yes, the feeders might have a longer distance, but, what about the stops in between? is it just a plain feeder/intratown service which just transports people from between the interchange and their own homes, or dropping off and picking up many pax along the way, especially if there are many facilities along the route, like hospitals, shopping centres, schools. people wont be willing to move up if its just a short 10-15 minute journey.
thats why DDs fare better for trunk services from the heartlands to the city, people will be very willing to move up because their journey will surely be quite long, and getting a seat is better. people are willing to stand if their journey is just a short hop from the interchange to their homes (vice-versa).
291 case is really messy
someone later said 5 291s came at one shot (3 DDs + 2 SDs)
...
i am wondering about SMRT's crap maintenance
what if the counter for the upper deck is stuck or spoilt
duct tapes + cable ties?
loading level on 806 still does not warrant any DDs yet (even if they brought in those)
804 - maybe (re-introduction of 804A; again??)
901 - no
902 - yes (during RP campus days)
911 - yes
307 - yes
Originally posted by dan474:isnt it obvious that the DD purchase will be longer than the bendy? the A24 was rumoured to be at gemilang's bodywork plant way before the tender for high-capacity buses was called. the only reason that SMRT is willing to buy 30 more bendies is just showing that SMRT is still confident that bendies are still needed to supplement its operations, and i'm sure SMRT will place an order for the E500/K310UD (provided they participated in the tender) soon, once the details are confirmed.
would like to see more KUDs, but
SBST had no PB of KUDs ... the sole unit is the demo, SBS788K
Originally posted by SMB145B:291 case is really messy
someone later said 5 291s came at one shot (3 DDs + 2 SDs)
...
i am wondering about SMRT's crap maintenance
what if the counter for the upper deck is stuck or spoilt
duct tapes + cable ties?
loading level on 806 still does not warrant any DDs yet (even if they brought in those)
804 - maybe (re-introduction of 804A; again??)
901 - no
902 - yes (during RP campus days)
911 - yes
307 - yes
291's frequency is well maintained for the East Loop but the west loop is totally messed up.
Buses roll in after doing East Loop, and does West loop. Some additional buses doing the east loop also does west loop, some even parking in Tamp Int also go and do West Loop. Very messy, especially if raining.
Originally posted by SBS2656X:291's frequency is well maintained for the East Loop but the west loop is totally messed up.
Buses roll in after doing East Loop, and does West loop. Some additional buses doing the east loop also does west loop, some even parking in Tamp Int also go and do West Loop. Very messy, especially if raining.
eh the woes are coming from the west loop
Originally posted by sbst275:Do you see war every year???
For you, war wont happen every year. But for ppl in Gaza, war happen every year and every day.
I think if they want DDs, they should get the K360UD to be alongside with the A24s.
Currently feeders that support DD usage: 806, 811(West Loop), 812(West Loop), 901, 902, 903, 913(West Loop)
Currently feeders that do not support DD usage: 300, 302(last time had DDs SHORTER than 12m), 307(last time had DDs SHORTER than 12m), 800, 804, 811(East Loop), 812(East Loop), 900, 911(East/West), 912(East/West), 913(East Loop)
Like, 30 A24+290 K360UDs, SMRT had 313 bendies in total, so round up to 320, then minus 30 A24s and you'll get 290 K360UDs.
K360UDs? not at all, I would much prefer the Enviro 500s here after taking into account the problems our Scania buses have here. And one more thing, SMRT stands to lose out much more if they buy MAN A24s without a much larger Enviro 500 purchase. if it wants to walk the path of imprudency and mismanagement like TIBS did (aka not changing old and bad habits), so be it, they (and bendy fanboys) can have a full bendy fleet for the high capacity bus fleet for all i care.
if 12m DDs cannot be used for certain routes with tight turns, there is always an option of the Enviro 400 but of course with increased frequencies to offset the slightly lesser capacity.
Originally posted by sbst275:With that I dun think people really love the terrible Citaro braking system that has little engine brake..
B10M still the best over speed control…
yes i can agree that the citaros are horrendous in braking, compounded by the fact that the engine has to rev high for optimum performance (but with suboptimum fuel consumption). took a citaro home yesterday and the bus jerked so badly it almost threw me forward. first time this has happened to me in non-emergency situations.
Originally posted by TIB868X:yes i can agree that the citaros are horrendous in braking, compounded by the fact that the engine has to rev high for optimum performance (but with suboptimum fuel consumption). took a citaro home yesterday and the bus jerked so badly it almost threw me forward. first time this has happened to me in non-emergency situations.
Apparently that is why KJDEP rarely deploys Citaros on heavy loading services like 190...
I had my experience with 190, a sudden jerk can already send someone falling on the floor.
And everyone was told to board the next bus to continue their journey.
Originally posted by TIB868X:K360UDs? not at all, I would much prefer the Enviro 500s here after taking into account the problems our Scania buses have here. And one more thing, SMRT stands to lose out much more if they buy MAN A24s without a much larger Enviro 500 purchase. if it wants to walk the path of imprudency and mismanagement like TIBS did (aka not changing old and bad habits), so be it, they (and bendy fanboys) can have a full bendy fleet for the high capacity bus fleet for all i care.
if 12m DDs cannot be used for certain routes with tight turns, there is always an option of the Enviro 400 but of course with increased frequencies to offset the slightly lesser capacity.
Enviro 500s are good, but I heard some users claiming that it's engine is not suitable for SG, is this true?
And umm... SMRT did not mention any DDs shorter than 12m in the tender itself...
Originally posted by TIB 501 D:Enviro 500s are good, but I heard some users claiming that it's engine is not suitable for SG, is this true?
And umm... SMRT did not mention any DDs shorter than 12m in the tender itself...
why would the engine not be suitable for SG? they perform superbly in Hong Kong, they will exceed expectations here as well.
and SMRT can always buy Enviro 400s at a later date after further evaluation, they do not need to buy everything and be all and end it all now.
Originally posted by TIB868X:why would the engine not be suitable for SG? they perform superbly in Hong Kong, they will exceed expectations here as well.
and SMRT can always buy Enviro 400s at a later date after further evaluation, they do not need to buy everything and be all and end it all now.
I think what he meant is that the engine is not suitable for SG climate.
Originally posted by SMB195G:I think what he meant is that the engine is not suitable for SG climate.
total and utter misinformation. why would the engine not be suitable for our climate? and from where did this rumour emerge from?
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:You need to see ADDs on 222, 241, 243, 291, 334 during peak hours - faster clearance of queues, upper deck 80-100% full, can take 100+ pax with around 80 pax getting a seat to sit.
It is a myth that ADDs won't do well in CCK, Yishun and WDL. It will infact improve efficiency of the service, and occupy lesser road space with giving more pax seat to sit.
Also WDL feeders / intratowns do longer distance than in Bedok, Jurong, Tampines - so for sure upper deck will get well utilized.
pax wont move up to the upper deck on svcs 241,243 and 291 because they only take these svcs for only a few stops. Esp 291. Which most bus stops are of walking distance
Originally posted by TIB868X:K360UDs? not at all, I would much prefer the Enviro 500s here after taking into account the problems our Scania buses have here. And one more thing, SMRT stands to lose out much more if they buy MAN A24s without a much larger Enviro 500 purchase. if it wants to walk the path of imprudency and mismanagement like TIBS did (aka not changing old and bad habits), so be it, they (and bendy fanboys) can have a full bendy fleet for the high capacity bus fleet for all i care.
if 12m DDs cannot be used for certain routes with tight turns, there is always an option of the Enviro 400 but of course with increased frequencies to offset the slightly lesser capacity.
what's wrong with the KUB and the sole KUD?
if MB still had DD models it would be great ...
Originally posted by SMB145B:what's wrong with the KUB and the sole KUD?
difficult to maintain and lots of issues associated with the engine and possibly higher maintenance costs in the years to come. and as cliche as it may seem, they vibrate alot, something which no one wants. why settle with KUDs when you can get Enviro 500s? HK's E500s make up a huge percentage of the high capacity bus fleet compared to KUDs for a reason if you failed to realize.
what are the chances SMRT will buy more Scanias considering the fact they allowed the L113CRLs to be retired without any lifespan extension even with refurbishments? furthermore it is said that alexander dennis representatives were seen in SMRT premises already
Originally posted by TIB 501 D:I think if they want DDs, they should get the K360UD to be alongside with the A24s.
Currently feeders that support DD usage: 806, 811(West Loop), 812(West Loop), 901, 902, 903, 913(West Loop)
Currently feeders that do not support DD usage: 300, 302(last time had DDs SHORTER than 12m), 307(last time had DDs SHORTER than 12m), 800, 804, 811(East Loop), 812(East Loop), 900, 911(East/West), 912(East/West), 913(East Loop)
Like, 30 A24+290 K360UDs, SMRT had 313 bendies in total, so round up to 320, then minus 30 A24s and you'll get 290 K360UDs.
290 ADDs would be a good number. The allocation of DDs will be staged. Starting with trunk routes, and in few years extend to feeders / intra towns. So step-by-step.
At least s106, s190, s188, s851, s854, s963, s969 should get ADDs as soon as SMRT buys them. A 100 ADDs would be required for these services alone.
Originally posted by sbst191:pax wont move up to the upper deck on svcs 241,243 and 291 because they only take these svcs for only a few stops. Esp 291. Which most bus stops are of walking distance
You need to observe more. 241 upper deck always full during peak hours. 243W has taken very good response to DDs, if it was possible SBST would have deployed DDs on 243G as well. 291 DDs - bunching is a problem, but otherwise upper deck gets well utilized. At Tampines Int, personnel are specially deployed to guide passenger movement for this service. Each bus carried 100+ pax during peak hours, not possible if upper deck is not getting utilized.
Originally posted by TIB868X:difficult to maintain and lots of issues associated with the engine and possibly higher maintenance costs in the years to come. and as cliche as it may seem, they vibrate alot, something which no one wants. why settle with KUDs when you can get Enviro 500s? HK's E500s make up a huge percentage of the high capacity bus fleet compared to KUDs for a reason if you failed to realize.
what are the chances SMRT will buy more Scanias considering the fact they allowed the L113CRLs to be retired without any lifespan extension even with refurbishments? furthermore it is said that alexander dennis representatives were seen in SMRT premises already
and SBST bought 1100 of those KUB in both Euro IV and Euro V in 2 batches each ...
Enviro500 would be better given that the fact that SMRT would favour Dennis over Scanias
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:290 ADDs would be a good number. The allocation of DDs will be staged. Starting with trunk routes, and in few years extend to feeders / intra towns. So step-by-step.
At least s106, s190, s188, s851, s854, s963, s969 should get ADDs as soon as SMRT buys them. A 100 ADDs would be required for these services alone.
190 alone would need about 40 of these