Double Deckers for SMRT
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
190 alone would need about 40 of these
If all these services are full fleet DDs, then they would need 200 ADDs at least.
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
difficult to maintain and lots of issues associated with the engine and possibly higher maintenance costs in the years to come. and as cliche as it may seem, they vibrate alot, something which no one wants. why settle with KUDs when you can get Enviro 500s? HK's E500s make up a huge percentage of the high capacity bus fleet compared to KUDs for a reason if you failed to realize.
what are the chances SMRT will buy more Scanias considering the fact they allowed the L113CRLs to be retired without any lifespan extension even with refurbishments? furthermore it is said that alexander dennis representatives were seen in SMRT premises already
smrt will be suicide to buy kuds. enviro unlikely because smrt also retired lance same as scania. smrt should continue to get lions city dd and support man superlions.
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if scania really wants to convince SMRT to get their K310UDs, im sure they will send evaluation units to SMRT. when there is a will, there is a way, and the same happened to the citaros, A24s and probably the most successful one was the A22.
i am confident that SMRT will place an order for at least 50 DDs (if they are convinced enough) or receive evaluation units within these few months. look, SMRT placed an order for at least 30 A24s when the bendy was just under engine test by STK, it just shows how confident is SMRT about the bus, and the same should happen with the DDs too.
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Originally posted by dan474:
if scania really wants to convince SMRT to get their K310UDs, im sure they will send evaluation units to SMRT. when there is a will, there is a way, and the same happened to the citaros, A24s and probably the most successful one was the A22.
i am confident that SMRT will place an order for at least 50 DDs (if they are convinced enough) or receive evaluation units within these few months. look, SMRT placed an order for at least 30 A24s when the bendy was just under engine test by STK, it just shows how confident is SMRT about the bus, and the same should happen with the DDs too.
They won't buy the K310 as the emission is only Euro IV.K320 or 360 with cylinders balancer is more appropriate.Modern 1,3,5 cylinders now come standard with cylinders balancer shaft to reduce vibration during idling.The rest is up to SMRT to maintain them.
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Where the orders of 30 come from??? nothing official, better dun say anything hor.. later simi CBT simi also start flying ar...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Where the orders of 30 come from???
nothing official, better dun say anything hor.. later simi CBT simi also start flying ar…
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
total and utter misinformation. why would the engine not be suitable for our climate? and from where did this rumour emerge from?
I said ''I think'', gees what a sensitive person... And you may nvr know that the engine is not suitable for our climate. HK and SG has different climate.
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The bus-peep community is full of senstive and uber-passionate people.
You dont know?
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I do now.
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Originally posted by SMB195G:
I said ''I think'', gees what a sensitive person... And you may nvr know that the engine is not suitable for our climate. HK and SG has different climate.
hong kong's climate and ours are relatively similar... with temperatures ranging from 15 deg C to 35 deg C...
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Originally posted by dan474:
hong kong's climate and ours are relatively similar... with temperatures ranging from 15 deg C to 35 deg C...
31°C* How about four season?
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Originally posted by SMB195G:
31°C* How about four season?
ya but their 4 season also no snow. only humidity, temperature and rainfall differs. other than some typhoons..
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If there's a height issue, might as well purchase(including SBST) those Coach Double Deck version?(which I think they are slightly shorter than our DDs?)~ Like that 858/170/160/950 can use them
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
If there's a height issue, might as well purchase(including SBST) those Coach Double Deck version?(which I think they are slightly shorter than our DDs?)~ Like that 858/170/160/950 can use them
that isnt a double deck, its a high floor single deck. the "first" deck is used to store luggage.
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Originally posted by dan474:
that isnt a double deck, its a high floor single deck. the "first" deck is used to store luggage.
That's why none of the coaches are WAB...
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geez when will people ever learn how to substantiate what they say? so many half-truths lingering around... when ask to substantiate, fall back to trench, say 'thats what i think', doesn't mean what you think is correct...
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Originally posted by dan474:
that isnt a double deck, its a high floor single deck. the "first" deck is used to store luggage.
Hmm that means the TS8 buses converted their luggage storage to passenger seats? :o
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Hmm that means the TS8 buses converted their luggage storage to passenger seats? :o
the configuration varies among different operators. some put a conference table there, some a karokae room, some put seats, some use that as extra luggage storage area.
the coaches to malaysia are the real double deck, but the new buses you see on the roads that looks like double decks, arent double decks. the floor is just raised to make more space for luggage.
if you dont know how those fake DDs look like, they look like this:
credits to bigbus.wordpress.com
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Originally posted by dan474:
the configuration varies among different operators. some put a conference table there, some a karokae room, some put seats, some use that as extra luggage storage area.
some put kitchen and toilet :D
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Originally posted by SMB195G:
some put kitchen and toilet :D
yep. all depends on the operator..
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
290 ADDs would be a good number. The allocation of DDs will be staged. Starting with trunk routes, and in few years extend to feeders / intra towns. So step-by-step.
At least s106, s190, s188, s851, s854, s963, s969 should get ADDs as soon as SMRT buys them. A 100 ADDs would be required for these services alone.
Actually... Did you know that 912/913's commuters are mostly short haul? For 912, commuters take it from WDL Dr 50 to either WDL or Admiralty Station. For 913, pax fills up at WDL Ave 6 and all start alighting like mad dogs in less than 40 seconds at Admiralty Station after looping at WDL Circle. DDs for these routes??? What a joke man...
Working in SBST areas doesn't mean it'll work in SMRT areas... Perhaps commuters have gotten used to moving to the rear of a bendy already. AND 912/913 BENDIES ARE ALWAYS PACKED TO THE BRIM DURING PEAK HOURS, EVEN THE NARROW REAR AISLE IS COMPLETELY FILLED UP.
But I agree on DDs for trunk svcs though... Can be quite useful...
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Gees, when will ppl read a sentence properly? thats what you think. ''i think'' have different kind of meaning, answering a question not in confidence or not so sure about the answer. I didnt claim that it is correct. And yes, what I think can be wrong. Atleast I didnt pro-claim.
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http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/stomp/sgseen/what_bugs_me/1544440/bendy_bus_sways_dangerously_from_side_to_side_on_bke_did_driver.html
Bendy bus sways dangerously on BKE. Source: Facebook
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Trailer vehicles will find it hard to regain control when the trailer steps out.
The situation should be worse for pusher arrangement.
What I'm curious is that the BC stepped on the brakes but the bus didn't slow down!
Classic pendulum effect, made worse by the fact that its not rigid.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Trailer vehicles will find it hard to regain control when the trailer steps out.
The situation should be worse for pusher arrangement.
What I'm curious is that the BC stepped on the brakes but the bus didn't slow down!
Classic pendulum effect, made worse by the fact that its not rigid.
The driver didnt just step on the brakes; he totally locked it up. Look at the tyre marks when the camera vehicle went past. A trailer vehicle loses even more control if wheels are locked up as this can result in jack-knifing. What i'm puzzled about is why is the bus already swaying left and right at the beginning of the video?
Alot of SMRT drivers i saw LOVE to sway the steering wheels. This results in the bus going left and right and bendies are not spared either. In an empty bendy bus this can create a pendulum effect and has SERIOUS consequences unless the hydraulic ram systems on the bendy section is working that helps dampens this effect (like how a heavy weight on a skyscraper works when earthquake strikes). A Citaro G test video showed the driver violently swinging the bus like the Habit and it does not have any pendulum effect shown like the Habit.