Optimum Utilization of Double Deckers

• TIB1257C

  10 Oct 12, 20:17

  Originally posted by SBS7491X:

   

  Please lah, 43 NEEDS DDs. Lets say, for example 1DD = 2SDs. And svc 43 has 8 DDs. So if you calculate, 43 will need 16 MORE SDs? The frequency is set for equal competition with 70/70M. If the frequency of Svc 43 was adjusted to, lets say every 6 minutes. That way everyone will be taking 43 and not 70. 70 will be operating at a loss and SBS can't withdraw that bus due to its links to Shenton Way. If more SDs are deployed, svc 43 will be an SBS version of 190 during peak hour. Even after peak its still full. The reason for deploying DDs from Punggol to UEC Ter is because the load from Paya Lebar MRT to Parkway Parade is almost the same as the load from nex to Buangkok Green. You try waiting at Paya Lebar MRT bus stop on a Sunday. When 43 comes, everyone takes it. Even if there was a 76 behind, no one boards it

  You really sure 43 during peak hour is SMRT's 190?
  
  Bro, you do really need to ride on 190 before whacking any nonsense. 190, in my word, fills up COMPLETELY to the BRIM even a full, long bendy after the second stop after going out from CCK int. The berth of 190 is just too small for the queue. Anytime a MRT comes - you know the drill. CHIONG FOR THE BERTH - the 190 berth immediately forms a ''S'' shape in a matter of minutes. So please think carefully or ride it.

• SBS 3010C

  10 Oct 12, 22:11

  Originally posted by SBS5010P:

  43 and 190 the same??

  190's demand is 1000000x higher than svc 43.

  
  Let SBST operate Svc 190
• TIB1218R

  10 Oct 12, 22:15

  Originally posted by SBS 3010C:

  
  Let SBST operate Svc 190

  DTL opening soon...
  
  Btw, you got take 190 before?

• BusAnalayzer

  11 Oct 12, 11:03

  Originally posted by TIB1218R:

  DTL opening soon...
  
  Btw, you got take 190 before?

  
  With DTL coming, the load on 190 won't be affected too much. It is a super fast service into CBD. All those who have to take a LRT and change to DTL, will still prefer to take 190 direct route.

  Right now 190 gets full at CCK itself even before it reached BPJ. Once, a bit of the load reduces, people in BPJ road will also be able to board 190 with a seat. DDs / bendies are needed on this route now and even in future.

• BusAnalayzer

  11 Oct 12, 11:05

  Originally posted by TIB1257C:

  You really sure 43 during peak hour is SMRT's 190?
  
  Bro, you do really need to ride on 190 before whacking any nonsense. 190, in my word, fills up COMPLETELY to the BRIM even a full, long bendy after the second stop after going out from CCK int. The berth of 190 is just too small for the queue. Anytime a MRT comes - you know the drill. CHIONG FOR THE BERTH - the 190 berth immediately forms a ''S'' shape in a matter of minutes. So please think carefully or ride it.

  Nothing can beat 190's loading. I know people give up 190 and take Green line and then move to Red line because the bus journey is so uncomfortable with such high loading.

• BusAnalayzer

  11 Oct 12, 11:15

  Why are LO2x (non-AC) still operating on 254, 255 and 257 when there are so many new B9TLs spare????

• azharjj

  11 Oct 12, 13:58

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  Why are LO2x (non-AC) still operating on 254, 255 and 257 when there are so many new B9TLs spare????

  
  it's VO2x

  dun worry, time will come. eventually those JIS service will get a/c buses, most likely VO3x buses

• Gus.chong

  11 Oct 12, 15:38

  Originally posted by TIB 501 D:

  Oh yeah, 2011 is mighty minds, 2012 is transitlink and today i just bought 2013 mighty minds guide at tiong bahru plaza popular for $4.90.

  But no svc860, bsep, frequencies did not change in 43, 920 and 922, very outdated... Think they should release the guide a little later, when svc860 is introduced 2 weeks after...

  There are many other errors in the guides.

• SBS 3010C

  11 Oct 12, 15:50

  Originally posted by Gus.chong:

  There are many other errors in the guides.

  
  Exactly
• TIB1218R

  11 Oct 12, 16:29

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  
  With DTL coming, the load on 190 won't be affected too much. It is a super fast service into CBD. All those who have to take a LRT and change to DTL, will still prefer to take 190 direct route.

  Right now 190 gets full at CCK itself even before it reached BPJ. Once, a bit of the load reduces, people in BPJ road will also be able to board 190 with a seat. DDs / bendies are needed on this route now and even in future.

  If i live near LRT Stations, i prefer take DTL, its faster. Can avoid traffic jams at expressway.

• TIB1218R

  11 Oct 12, 16:31

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  Why are LO2x (non-AC) still operating on 254, 255 and 257 when there are so many new B9TLs spare????

  Those NAC VO2X are much better than Wrights...

• carbikebus

  11 Oct 12, 19:58

  NAC VO2x are better cause the engine is stress free from aircon compressors

• Acx1688

  11 Oct 12, 20:24

  Originally posted by SBS7491X:

   

  Please lah, 43 NEEDS DDs. Lets say, for example 1DD = 2SDs. And svc 43 has 8 DDs. So if you calculate, 43 will need 16 MORE SDs? The frequency is set for equal competition with 70/70M. If the frequency of Svc 43 was adjusted to, lets say every 6 minutes. That way everyone will be taking 43 and not 70. 70 will be operating at a loss and SBS can't withdraw that bus due to its links to Shenton Way. If more SDs are deployed, svc 43 will be an SBS version of 190 during peak hour. Even after peak its still full. The reason for deploying DDs from Punggol to UEC Ter is because the load from Paya Lebar MRT to Parkway Parade is almost the same as the load from nex to Buangkok Green. You try waiting at Paya Lebar MRT bus stop on a Sunday. When 43 comes, everyone takes it. Even if there was a 76 behind, no one boards it

  Ask you, do you stay around this route or anywhere near it?!? i can safely CONFIRM heavy loading from BKK MRT to Nex,  vice versa and tts it
  More so during peak hours...
  Your logic doesn seem to have any logic and comparison with 70/70M is rather weak...
  sv43 after PEAK IS NOT FULL, you see the  almost empty buses runnin got UEC evday during morning peak[from parkway onwards] and off peak morning?! IT IS A TOTAL WASTE of fuel and capacity
  Fyi, the load from PYL to Parkway Parade does not depend on sv43 having DDs, prior to sv43 introduction, sv135, 76,197 have been taking the loads for this short sector.
  Your logic that sv43 comes and everyone boards ignoring sv76 is unsubstantiated and assumed.
  Last but not least, you compare sv43 to sv190 shows you are out of sync with bus operations and loads.
  sv43 load is light years away from sv190
  ignorance is not always bliss...
  
  ACx

• Acx1688

  11 Oct 12, 20:30

  Originally posted by SBS 3010C:

  
  Let SBST operate Svc 190

  Split better, SBST/SMRt both run it, like KMB cross harbour routes
  
  ACx

• vicamour

  11 Oct 12, 22:59

  Originally posted by Acx1688:

  Split better, SBST/SMRt both run it, like KMB cross harbour routes
  
  ACx

  
  SMRTB??? Forget it.

  It's better that they concentrate on Northern services only.

• Acx1688

  12 Oct 12, 21:38

  Originally posted by vicamour:

  
  SMRTB??? Forget it.

  It's better that they concentrate on Northern services only.

  Actually, if you look at it...
  sv190,960 split half SBST/SMRT commuters benefit...
  SMRT could take half of sv147,sv154 in return
  
  ACx

• SBS 6078 M

  12 Oct 12, 21:42

  Originally posted by TIB1218R:

  DTL opening soon...
  
  Btw, you got take 190 before?

  yes. clarke quay - orchard

  3 pax excluding me and my family members

  6 pax including me and my family members

• carbikebus

  12 Oct 12, 22:18

  190 is super cash cow service.Even during nights the crowds can go gaga sial...My Kj standby friend hate to drive this svc especially during weekends.He say dunno when the crowd will lessen 

• TIB 501 D

  12 Oct 12, 23:21

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  190 is super cash cow service.Even during nights the crowds can go gaga sial...My Kj standby friend hate to drive this svc especially during weekends.He say dunno when the crowd will lessen 

  When DTL opens.

• vicamour

  13 Oct 12, 01:46

  Originally posted by Acx1688:

  Actually, if you look at it...
  sv190,960 split half SBST/SMRT commuters benefit...
  SMRT could take half of sv147,sv154 in return
  
  ACx

  
  SMRT can't even manage one 190 well. No point that they operate other services with heavy demand. 147 and 154 will be total disaster if SMRT takes half of them.

  It would be better that SBST introduce a parallel service with 190 to reduce 190 load. Or SBST takes over 190 while SMRT amend 700 to be almost parallel to 190.

• carbikebus

  13 Oct 12, 07:57

  Actually SBST need 1 svc from Bukit Batok int via Bpj to New bridge Rd

• TIB1257C

  13 Oct 12, 09:30

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  190 is super cash cow service.Even during nights the crowds can go gaga sial...My Kj standby friend hate to drive this svc especially during weekends.He say dunno when the crowd will lessen 

  Yeah. And I wonder why it isn't under BSEP and it still has tons of useless rigids in it 

• carbikebus

  13 Oct 12, 10:04

  Originally posted by TIB1257C:

  Yeah. And I wonder why it isn't under BSEP and it still has tons of useless rigids in it 

  Maybe cause of the DTL?And some Premium svc run parallel?Or it is one way packed service?

• TIB1218R

  13 Oct 12, 10:38

  Originally posted by vicamour:

  
  SMRT can't even manage one 190 well. No point that they operate other services with heavy demand. 147 and 154 will be total disaster if SMRT takes half of them.

  It would be better that SBST introduce a parallel service with 190 to reduce 190 load. Or SBST takes over 190 while SMRT amend 700 to be almost parallel to 190.

  147 and 154 not even full fleet DD..

• BusAnalayzer

  13 Oct 12, 10:53

  Originally posted by TIB1218R:

  147 and 154 not even full fleet DD..

  Well 147 has 27 DDs, and only 5 SDs. 154 does not need to be full fleet DD. Existing # of DDs is good enough. 

  The services I would handover:

  SBST --> SMRT = 66, 160, 170

  SMRT --> SBST = 106, 188, 190