Optimum Utilization of Double Deckers
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59 can let BNDEP handle some 3 duties and all deploy DDs
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
59 can let BNDEP handle some 3 duties and all deploy DDs
What do you mean with the highlighted? -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
59 can let BNDEP handle some 3 duties and all deploy DDs
We already have take 1 return 3 with AM and BR.
It is best to transfer DDs from BN to AM
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What I mean here is to let 59 run by both Amdep and Bndep cause Bn side got another new bus park coming up.So let it be majority Amdep and give a few duties to Bndep to run too.59 from Bndep side can start early trips from CVT..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
What I mean here is to let 59 run by both Amdep and Bndep cause Bn side got another new bus park coming up.So let it be majority Amdep and give a few duties to Bndep to run too.59 from Bndep side can start early trips from CVT..
What 59 needs is more DDs. At least 50% of its fleet. It is the only trunk route connecting Lor Toa Payoh 1 and passes through Kaki Bukit, Bedok Reservoir Road - industrial and huge HDB houses. Both side buses during peak hours have 80+ loading. -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
What I mean here is to let 59 run by both Amdep and Bndep cause Bn side got another new bus park coming up.So let it be majority Amdep and give a few duties to Bndep to run too.59 from Bndep side can start early trips from CVT..
If really let 59 go to minority BNDEP, should take up 6 duties. 4 Volgrens and 2 Wrights.
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Ya man it's good same goes for svc 13 but again it's up to SBST.Actually 45 can solely Amdep run and let the Bndep duties goes to svc 59 instead
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Ya man it's good same goes for svc 13 but again it's up to SBST.Actually 45 can solely Amdep run and let the Bndep duties goes to svc 59 instead
Svc 13 I always see the VO / LO empty during early am peak. If let 45 solely AM, they should transfer the BNDEP fleet of Svc 45 all to AMDEP, and let the volgrens / wrights take over 59 like what i said. You don't need to worry about WAB too for if those fleet ad really happened, 59 still have 2 / 3 WAB.
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Svc 13 has 8 DDs in its fleet earlier this year, now the DDs have been reduced to 6. Actually, the loading on 13 has dropped considerably over the months.
The main loading segment worth DDs is Bishan St 22 to Bishan Stn (alternate services 52, 54, 88, 410). Rest throughout the bus has 50-60 pax during peak hours if the bus is not late.
The DDs will be better utilized if transferred to 45 and 59.
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If you take the VO3x on 45 that leaves YCK Terminal around 5.20 / 5.30 pm, you see high loading between AMK Ave 5 and Serangoon NEX, then the loading drops till Eunos Link, after which when the bus turns at PIE, the bus will have around 90-95 pax.
If this bus has such a high loading at one time, I wonder how it is perfectly timed. This means the timings before and after would also have high loading.
I feel 45 should have 6 DDs, 3 in each direction. It goes through industrial areas and HDB complexes and unlike 43 that has so many options in parallel, 45 actually has a unique route.
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This is what I mean.
Time after time, when I need a DD the most, an SD comes.
This is 74 at 5 45PM at Adam Rd food centre towards HG.
What did the BC do? Never stop of course.
This story is repeated throughout the day from afternoon till as late as 10+PM.
Who gets the short end of the stick?
Me of course.
This is sickening.
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
3, 15, 33, 36, 66, 100, 105, 109, 113, 125, 200 all should get DD or bendy!!
36, 200??? Ahahahah... Sorry.... but.. Ahahahah... -
ah 2601.. BBDEP wo... JB reg bus... 74 ought to use full ADD fleet...
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If some ppl still do not know... South Buona Vista Rd has restriction imposed... 3 axle or more vehicles are barred from using it... There's a signboard placed at the entrance at both ends...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
36, 200??? Ahahahah... Sorry.... but.. Ahahahah...
200 of course doesnt need DD or bendy, but 36 would have been a good candidate for DDs if it was not for Changi Airport. -
Originally posted by SBS2601D:
This is what I mean.
Time after time, when I need a DD the most, an SD comes.
This is 74 at 5 45PM at Adam Rd food centre towards HG.
What did the BC do? Never stop of course.
This story is repeated throughout the day from afternoon till as late as 10+PM.
Who gets the short end of the stick?
Me of course.
This is sickening.
With all the BSEP and service improvements, it often surprises me why 74 is often the neglected one. Leave alone full fleet DDs, in its 29 odd fleet of DDs, there is not even one Wright.
And ofcourse, we need full fleet DD for 74 - apart from the 74 Express, which also for 1 or 2 trips has become DD worthy. But no one is listening about 74 - I wonder WHY!!
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If u ask me why 74 cannot get all DDs my guess is because they are regarded as "School services" by the co itself.The fleet itself is overwhelming with 40 over buses.
36 is better they can extend to Bt Merah and joint control with ARBP.Buses also got chance to rest and engine off there.
45,52,54 & 163 IMHO no need to many DDs.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
If u ask me why 74 cannot get all DDs my guess is because they are regarded as "School services" by the co itself.The fleet itself is overwhelming with 40 over buses.
36 is better they can extend to Bt Merah and joint control with ARBP.Buses also got chance to rest and engine off there.
45,52,54 & 163 IMHO no need to many DDs.
74 has 40 odd buses because the demand is heavy and the route is long. It can actually do with a full fleet DD fleet of 38 buses. It is "not just" a school service. Agreed it connects to institutions along Dover, Clementi road, but then are lot of residential / commercial blocks also along Bukit Timah road. Also 74 connects AMK Station to Hougang Town. The downroute from AMK Station to Hougang itself can have 80+ pax at one time.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
If u ask me why 74 cannot get all DDs my guess is because they are regarded as "School services" by the co itself.The fleet itself is overwhelming with 40 over buses.
36 is better they can extend to Bt Merah and joint control with ARBP.Buses also got chance to rest and engine off there.
45,52,54 & 163 IMHO no need to many DDs.
36 need not go to Bukit Merah. A lot of people board 36 at Orchard MRT to get down before Nassim Road to avoid the long walk. It is the only route looping at Tomlinson. 36's route needs to be changed at Changi side. 135 should be extended to Changi airport while 36 should terminate at Tampines Int via Tanah Merah, Simei Ave, Changi General Hospital - then DDs can be used on this heavily crowded route.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
36, 200??? Ahahahah... Sorry.... but.. Ahahahah...15, 33 and 105 cannot use DD as well.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
36 need not go to Bukit Merah. A lot of people board 36 at Orchard MRT to get down before Nassim Road to avoid the long walk. It is the only route looping at Tomlinson. 36's route needs to be changed at Changi side. 135 should be extended to Changi airport while 36 should terminate at Tampines Int via Tanah Merah, Simei Ave, Changi General Hospital - then DDs can be used on this heavily crowded route.
The main link for 36 is between Changi Airport and Suntec City/Marina Centre/Orchard area, the link will be lost if the amendment happens.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
If u ask me why 74 cannot get all DDs my guess is because they are regarded as "School services" by the co itself.The fleet itself is overwhelming with 40 over buses.
36 is better they can extend to Bt Merah and joint control with ARBP.Buses also got chance to rest and engine off there.
45,52,54 & 163 IMHO no need to many DDs.
No need of DD on 54. I don't know what that 1 DD does also :P
45 - Does not need too many DDs but at least 4 DDs to start with, 2 from each side.
52 - If it did not need DDs, it would not have got 4 DDs in a span of 4-5 months. 52's loading pattern is as follows. Around 50-60 pax till Clementi Road, 70-80 pax Clementi road - Clementi Station, 60-70 pax - Clementi Station / Synergy, 100+ pax - Synergy to Jurong East. The loading increases as you go to the west.
163 - we have discussed this before. Loading between 70-80 pax in peak hours. The reason it has been given 3 additional DDs in the last 3 months is because it is the only route connecting the places it does. A SD cannot manage it during peak hours, and people esp on YCK Road have to leave 1-2 buses before entering the next. Even now, SDs go full on YCK road, and people have to wait for the DD behind that comes after 10-12 mins.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
The main link for 36 is between Changi Airport and Suntec City/Marina Centre/Orchard area, the link will be lost if the amendment happens.
Not really - if you see the loading at Changi, people get off by Marine Parade. The loading is only about 20-30 pax there and hardly anyone travels all the way to Suntec. The bus loads to its capacity on Marine Parade road as it is a faster way to Suntec / Orchard road.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Not really - if you see the loading at Changi, people get off by Marine Parade. The loading is only about 20-30 pax there and hardly anyone travels all the way to Suntec. The bus loads to its capacity on Marine Parade road as it is a faster way to Suntec / Orchard road.
In changi airport, the pax last time has dropped tremendously and now the buses could even have 0 pax. The real load is actually marine parade when even 2 KUBs could not even handle the load. I don't understand why they park 2 - 3 36 KUBs over there with no pax on board and the bus just parking there without eds / bc on the bus. They could have just start a downroute at marina parade. Actually, if you notice, if there are 2 KUBs 1 will be 95% full from marine parade to suntec while the other one is usually empty.
Don't know what the hell is SBST thinking about, parking the 36 KUBs there doing nothing, while those on service parking there is so packed. Even if they dont start service there for they fear airport might be jammed, they should at least start a downroute at marine parade.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
No need of DD on 54. I don't know what that 1 DD does also :P
45 - Does not need too many DDs but at least 4 DDs to start with, 2 from each side.
52 - If it did not need DDs, it would not have got 4 DDs in a span of 4-5 months. 52's loading pattern is as follows. Around 50-60 pax till Clementi Road, 70-80 pax Clementi road - Clementi Station, 60-70 pax - Clementi Station / Synergy, 100+ pax - Synergy to Jurong East. The loading increases as you go to the west.
163 - we have discussed this before. Loading between 70-80 pax in peak hours. The reason it has been given 3 additional DDs in the last 3 months is because it is the only route connecting the places it does. A SD cannot manage it during peak hours, and people esp on YCK Road have to leave 1-2 buses before entering the next. Even now, SDs go full on YCK road, and people have to wait for the DD behind that comes after 10-12 mins.
I totally agree with you, the DD of 54 always starts its first trip from NBR Ter. At approx 6.35 - 6.45, it will turn into Bishan Street 22, I can assure you. The bus is at least 97% empty, sometimes 0 pax. The worst i seen was 30 pax in it, don't know they put DD's there for whatever redundant reason. The 52 load was because of the students in the west, not very sure about it as i dont always go to the west. If you can get to the bus stop opposite thomson plaza around 6.10pm - 6.25pm(badly estimated timing), 9673A would come. Usually that bus would have around 90 - 100 pax, and the upper deck is 90% filled whereas the 1st deck is not even 50% full. I "played" with iris and found out that the next bus will take a very long time to arrive, around 6.40 - 6.45pm. The 9673A usually comes during 6.20pm. (Not too sure), may i ask if whether the bus behind 9673A is a DD? That time when i "played" with iris 163 has not been declared WAB yet. But an adless trident was behind it.