Optimum Utilization of Double Deckers
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Originally posted by SBST163:
i also observed this. There is always a very long queue at Sengkang Interchange for 163/163M. About as long as 372's.
Most commuters boarding from Sengkang Interchange are only dropping in Sengkang/Fernvale area itself. Hence its only a few bus stops. It is understandable why alot of them chose not to go to the upper deck, they rather stand. =.=
163's main passenger load will pick up from Sengkang West and Fernvale.. then throughout the stretch of YCK road, where it passes by Motorola and Apple and a few other industries.
Then the next wave of passenger load will be at Upper Thomson Road, as it passes by schools like Peirce Secondary School, Raffles Instituition (not directly, but at the side gate) etc.
Therefore 163M is for this purpose. I still do not see a point of placing DDs on 163M because it's underutilising. Passengers dont really wanna move up.
163 DD will be fully packed upon reaching Pei Hwa Secondary.. every bus will be packed, including DD.
I wont be surprised if BSEP Service 50 will ply there to cope with 163's load.
How u know will launch service 50??????
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
How u know will launch service 50??????
Haha I guess the service number for bishan-punggol svc will be service 50. Lol
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now already has bus service connecting to punggol from seng keng. service 88 just change to 82 will do or mrt from bishan to serangoon to punggol.
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
now already has bus service connecting to punggol from seng keng. service 88 just change to 82 will do or mrt from bishan to serangoon to punggol.
Actually there should be services running parallel to MRT in case MRT kenna breakdown again... Especially NEL...
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
now already has bus service connecting to punggol from seng keng. service 88 just change to 82 will do or mrt from bishan to serangoon to punggol.
Did you read the announcement of further development of Punggol and Sengkang towns. Punggol will be divided in 8 sectors for development, of which only 3 are developed currently. Punggol Road will also be closed from Punggol Central and a walkway will be made there with park (route where currently 84 plies).Similarly, Sengkang development is in final stages and huge complexes are coming up at Anchorvale and Fernvale connecting to Jalan Kayu.
Considering this LTA is preparing for additional bus routes in this area, so I quite believe that both Punggol - Bishan and Hougang - Serangoon route will be routed via these new developments.
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
Actually there should be services running parallel to MRT in case MRT kenna breakdown again... Especially NEL...
119 is catering from Punggol - Sengkang - Kovan
860 is catering from Yishun - Khatib currently.
under BSEP
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Originally posted by SBST163:
i also observed this. There is always a very long queue at Sengkang Interchange for 163/163M. About as long as 372's.
Most commuters boarding from Sengkang Interchange are only dropping in Sengkang/Fernvale area itself. Hence its only a few bus stops. It is understandable why alot of them chose not to go to the upper deck, they rather stand. =.=
163's main passenger load will pick up from Sengkang West and Fernvale.. then throughout the stretch of YCK road, where it passes by Motorola and Apple and a few other industries.
Then the next wave of passenger load will be at Upper Thomson Road, as it passes by schools like Peirce Secondary School, Raffles Instituition (not directly, but at the side gate) etc.
Therefore 163M is for this purpose. I still do not see a point of placing DDs on 163M because it's underutilising. Passengers dont really wanna move up.
163 DD will be fully packed upon reaching Pei Hwa Secondary.. every bus will be packed, including DD.
I wont be surprised if BSEP Service 50 will ply there to cope with 163's load.
when you say you observe, pls mention the timing.... you mention that every 163 bus is packed upon reaching Pei Hwa secondary???? so what timing you are referring to?
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
when you say you observe, pls mention the timing.... you mention that every 163 bus is packed upon reaching Pei Hwa secondary???? so what timing you are referring to?
oh i mean peak hours. Morning will be twds TPY direction. Evening will be twds Sengkang direction.
main crowd comes from the industrial companies at YCK road.
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Anyone got see SBS6081C's loading at saturday night? No people can board it once leave PTB3. PTB1 no one can board at all.
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
Anyone got see SBS6081C's loading at saturday night? No people can board it once leave PTB3. PTB1 no one can board at all.
Not everyone here remembers all the rego numbers by heart. Please specify the route number as well. -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Not everyone here remembers all the rego numbers by heart. Please specify the route number as well.Service 24
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
Service 24
Service 24 is quite common for bunching. Actually most Changi services I feel. 24, 27 - bunching very common. Guess because it is a very long route and there should be a proper terminal at Changi to time the buses properly from there. -
We surely have more people on this forum taking SMRT routes. While there are so many pics posted on svc 860 and so much discussion, there is nothing on 119.
No one has posted the pic of 119 also.
Can someone confirm the timings of Wrights on 119 at Kovan MRT? I wish to joyride, explore the loading and take pictures and post.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
We surely have more people on this forum taking SMRT routes. While there are so many pics posted on svc 860 and so much discussion, there is nothing on 119.
No one has posted the pic of 119 also.
Can someone confirm the timings of Wrights on 119 at Kovan MRT? I wish to joyride, explore the loading and take pictures and post.
No point joyriding 119 when there is really no demand.. Now school holidays coming liaoz so 119 will be low demand till school reopens.. School bus svc :) -
Originally posted by SBS5011L:
No point joyriding 119 when there is really no demand.. Now school holidays coming liaoz so 119 will be low demand till school reopens.. School bus svc :)
When do schools open again? -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
When do schools open again?
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svc 55 got one more DD. total DDs in fleet = 8. +3 from the number in June.
Like 43, 55 also seems to have become a favorite route of SBST.
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With the current double decks, DDs are not suited for short-distance, high-frequency services. If I'm travelling 4 bus stops or taking a 10-minute trip to somewhere, I don't find any incentive to move up to the upper deck.
Current DD has one design flaw: passengers can only board the bus after the stairwell is clear of alighting paseners. Single deck and bendies can do both boarding and alighting simultaneously, DDs cannot. An ideal DD will have 2 stairwell and idealy a 3rd door, but I'm off-topic.
So optimal utilisation? Double decks go to long distance, low fequency services like 74, where journeys take upward of 30 minutes, while single decks supplement these long distance services and also run high-frequency, stop-start services like most feeder routes, where quick stops and short distances are common.
To solve problems before they are asked: Insufficient DDs? Just run single decks in pairs.
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Originally posted by joeyfjj:
With the current double decks, DDs are not suited for short-distance, high-frequency services. If I'm travelling 4 bus stops or taking a 10-minute trip to somewhere, I don't find any incentive to move up to the upper deck.
Current DD has one design flaw: passengers can only board the bus after the stairwell is clear of alighting paseners. Single deck and bendies can do both boarding and alighting simultaneously, DDs cannot. An ideal DD will have 2 stairwell and idealy a 3rd door, but I'm off-topic.
So optimal utilisation? Double decks go to long distance, low fequency services like 74, where journeys take upward of 30 minutes, while single decks supplement these long distance services and also run high-frequency, stop-start services like most feeder routes, where quick stops and short distances are common.
To solve problems before they are asked: Insufficient DDs? Just run single decks in pairs.
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Originally posted by joeyfjj:
With the current double decks, DDs are not suited for short-distance, high-frequency services. If I'm travelling 4 bus stops or taking a 10-minute trip to somewhere, I don't find any incentive to move up to the upper deck.
Current DD has one design flaw: passengers can only board the bus after the stairwell is clear of alighting paseners. Single deck and bendies can do both boarding and alighting simultaneously, DDs cannot. An ideal DD will have 2 stairwell and idealy a 3rd door, but I'm off-topic.
So optimal utilisation? Double decks go to long distance, low fequency services like 74, where journeys take upward of 30 minutes, while single decks supplement these long distance services and also run high-frequency, stop-start services like most feeder routes, where quick stops and short distances are common.
To solve problems before they are asked: Insufficient DDs? Just run single decks in pairs.
Only single deckers are good for short distance and high frequency bus services. Bendy buses are problematic in busy roads and bus interchanges in Singapore as they take up too much road space and land space in Singapore.
Single deckers are more flexible and easier to schedule for such routes.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Only single deckers are good for short distance and high frequency bus services. Bendy buses are problematic in busy roads and bus interchanges in Singapore as they take up too much road space and land space in Singapore.
Single deckers are more flexible and easier to schedule for such routes.
The advantage of bendy buses is its short dwell time at stops. Uses more road space too.
Of course single decks are ideal, but bearing in mind that the reason for high-capacity buses is also manpower - one man operating a high-capacity bus over two operating a pair of single-deck ones.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Please ignore this post. Another attempt for flame war.If you wish. You are starting a war here, and I wouldn't continue it.
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Originally posted by SBST163:
Haha I guess the service number for bishan-punggol svc will be service 50. Lol
my friend,jo citaro got insider info about svc 50(confirmed)
6 buses HG
6 Buses AM
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Originally posted by SBS7888K(SBS3174M too):
my friend,jo citaro got insider info about svc 50(confirmed)
6 buses HG
6 Buses AM
How reliable is he?
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Originally posted by SBS6305H:
How reliable is he?
it goes thru
Punggol,Sengkang ,Hougang......Bishan