Why Singapore need DDs & why it's impractical to use bendies
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
I believe the most ideal (regardless of which bus operator) is to have bendy buses on busy feeder routes, while ADDs are deployed on busy longer distance routes.
But looking at the ever shrinking new bus interchanges, I doubt LTA is going to provide lots for bendy buses in future. Using more rigid SDs for busy feeder routes is fine but I think our bus operators got to bear in mind the need to purchase buses that can allow greater crush load during peak hours. So far only the low entry buses such as Scania KUB and MB OC500LE can do that. Those “fully” low-floor buses got such narrow aisles towards the rear that it can only accomodate few standing pax. As there is also a step towards the rear seats, I don’t see any difference between “fully” low-floor and low entry bus models. And many people are avoiding those face-to-face seats. How I wish the new SBST Citaros are low entry versions!
Only the fully low floor Wrights are genuinely fully low floor!
maybe let SBS operates all trunk routes and SMRTB operates all feeder routes
current SMRTB trunk routes
61, 67, 75, 106, 167, 169, 171, 172, 173, 176, 177, 178, 180, 184, 187, 188, 189, 190, 700, 851, 852, 853, 854, 855, 856, 857, 858, 859, 925, 926, 927, 950, 960, 961, 962, 963, 964, 965, 966, 969, 970, 971E, 975, 980, 981, 985 (46 services)
current SBS feeder routes
222, 225, 228, 229, 231, 232, 235, 238, 240, 242, 243, 246, 249, 251, 252, 254, 255, 257, 261, 262, 265, 268, 269, 272, 273, 275, 282, 284, 285, 291, 292, 293, 315, 317, 325, 333, 334, 335, 354, 358, 359, 372, 400, 401, 402, 403, 405, 410 (48 services)
SMRTB trunk routes hand over to SBS
SBS feeder services hand over to SMRTB
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
And many people are avoiding those face-to-face seats.
Not an issue of face-to-face as lower deck of DDs are face-to-face too.
Some passengers don't like to face backwards. Imagine a bus design with all the seats backward facing
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
maybe let SBS operates all trunk routes and SMRTB operates all feeder routes
current SMRTB trunk routes
61, 67, 75, 106, 167, 169, 171, 172, 173, 176, 177, 178, 180, 184, 187, 188, 189, 190, 700, 851, 852, 853, 854, 855, 856, 857, 858, 859, 925, 926, 927, 950, 960, 961, 962, 963, 964, 965, 966, 969, 970, 971E, 975, 980, 981, 985 (46 services)
current SBS feeder routes
222, 225, 228, 229, 231, 232, 235, 238, 240, 242, 243, 246, 249, 251, 252, 254, 255, 257, 261, 262, 265, 268, 269, 272, 273, 275, 282, 284, 285, 291, 292, 293, 315, 317, 325, 333, 334, 335, 354, 358, 359, 372, 400, 401, 402, 403, 405, 410 (48 services)
SMRTB trunk routes hand over to SBS
SBS feeder services hand over to SMRTB
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
And many people are avoiding those face-to-face seats.
Not an issue of face-to-face as lower deck of DDs are face-to-face too.
Some passengers don't like to face backwards. Imagine a bus design with all the seats backward facing
You Miss out 241....
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
maybe let SBS operates all trunk routes and SMRTB operates all feeder routes
current SMRTB trunk routes
61, 67, 75, 106, 167, 169, 171, 172, 173, 176, 177, 178, 180, 184, 187, 188, 189, 190, 700, 851, 852, 853, 854, 855, 856, 857, 858, 859, 925, 926, 927, 950, 960, 961, 962, 963, 964, 965, 966, 969, 970, 971E, 975, 980, 981, 985 (46 services)
current SBS feeder routes
222, 225, 228, 229, 231, 232, 235, 238, 240, 242, 243, 246, 249, 251, 252, 254, 255, 257, 261, 262, 265, 268, 269, 272, 273, 275, 282, 284, 285, 291, 292, 293, 315, 317, 325, 333, 334, 335, 354, 358, 359, 372, 400, 401, 402, 403, 405, 410 (48 services)
SMRTB trunk routes hand over to SBS
SBS feeder services hand over to SMRTB
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
And many people are avoiding those face-to-face seats.
Not an issue of face-to-face as lower deck of DDs are face-to-face too.
Some passengers don't like to face backwards. Imagine a bus design with all the seats backward facing
Cannot leh very messy.
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why not, feeder routes are less prone to delay
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Originally posted by Kira™:
You Miss out 241....
Thanks for highlighting that out
i wonder if we should consider 112, 113, 115, 181 and 194 as feeder also
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
Thanks for highlighting that out
i wonder if we should consider 112, 113, 115, 181 and 194 as feeder also
112, 113 are more like intra-town for me, but 115, 181 and 194 are definitely feeders.
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
maybe let SBS operates all trunk routes and SMRTB operates all feeder routes
current SMRTB trunk routes
61, 67, 75, 106, 167, 169, 171, 172, 173, 176, 177, 178, 180, 184, 187, 188, 189, 190, 700, 851, 852, 853, 854, 855, 856, 857, 858, 859, 925, 926, 927, 950, 960, 961, 962, 963, 964, 965, 966, 969, 970, 971E, 975, 980, 981, 985 (46 services)
current SBS feeder routes
222, 225, 228, 229, 231, 232, 235, 238, 240, 242, 243, 246, 249, 251, 252, 254, 255, 257, 261, 262, 265, 268, 269, 272, 273, 275, 282, 284, 285, 291, 292, 293, 315, 317, 325, 333, 334, 335, 354, 358, 359, 372, 400, 401, 402, 403, 405, 410 (48 services)
SMRTB trunk routes hand over to SBS
SBS feeder services hand over to SMRTB
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
And many people are avoiding those face-to-face seats.
Not an issue of face-to-face as lower deck of DDs are face-to-face too.
Some passengers don't like to face backwards. Imagine a bus design with all the seats backward facing
Those face to face seats are really bad - be it SD or DD.. they are hardly occupied. It is irritating when passengers cannot get in coz the bus is full and at the rear there are these face to face seats that are empty.
But it is a BIG problem for SDs as DDs atleast have many more seats. But imagine in a 31 seater, if your 4 seats get wasted.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
112, 113 are more like intra-town for me, but 115, 181 and 194 are definitely feeders.
112 and 113 are former feeder services, 321,322,326 and 327
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Those face to face seats are really bad - be it SD or DD.. they are hardly occupied. It is irritating when passengers cannot get in coz the bus is full and at the rear there are these face to face seats that are empty.
But it is a BIG problem for SDs as DDs atleast have many more seats. But imagine in a 31 seater, if your 4 seats get wasted.
Lower decks of DD are also face-to-face but sideways
don't forget MRT trains too
and older folks normally don't like to sit down immediately on a seat that has just been vacated..there is a health issue behind it...they believe the butts will develop sebaceous cysts
that's why you notice some seats are vacant and the passengers would rather stand besides the vacant seats..that's why it's a waste of space
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
112 and 113 are former feeder services, 321,322,326 and 327
yes..again SBS screwed up their numbering system
they shouldn't use 11X series
Tampines estate had many of their feeder routes (etc, 291, 293, 294, 295, 297) converted to townlink but still retain their 29X series
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
yes..again SBS screwed up their numbering system
they shouldn't use 11X series
Tampines estate had many of their feeder routes (etc, 291, 293, 294, 295, 297) converted to townlink but still retain their 29X series
they convert it to trunk so that they can earn a few cents more
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
why not, feeder routes are less prone to delay
SMRT can't handle their basic services well. No need to let them handle so many services. In the end, commuters are the ones suffering. -
Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
yes..again SBS screwed up their numbering system
they shouldn't use 11X series
Tampines estate had many of their feeder routes (etc, 291, 293, 294, 295, 297) converted to townlink but still retain their 29X series
SBST want to suck people's money what
, Feeder 321 and 326 became trunk 113, Feeder 322 and 327 became trunk 112..Feeder 328 now service 101
290 merged with 220 to form 38, 294 and 357 > 3
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In reality where u see ppl take one end to another for this 113/101?At most 4 bus stops.About sucking $$$ its something like enhancement.If theyre really greedy then 240 will be renumbered and change to trunk svc,More likely ppl take for more than 6 bus stops leh.If i'm the regulator i will change the system like this..
SBST:Choa Chu Kang,Bukit Batok,Tuas,Boon Lay,Jurong East,Clementi,Buona Vista,Kent Ridge,Eunos,Bedok,Tampines,Pasir Ris,Punggol,Sengkang,Hougang,Ang Mo Kio,Bishan,Yio Chu Kang,Whampoa,Toa Payoh.
Depots:Soon Lee,Bukit Batok,Sungei Kadut(New),Braddell,Ang Mo Kio,Hougang,Bedok & Changi
NEL,CCL & Eastern region Line as well as Sengkang/Punggol LRT
SMRT:Woodlands,Yishun,Sembawang,Bukit Panjang,Bukit Merah,Harbourfront and Shenton Way/Marina
Depots:Woodlands(1&2),Mandai & Small bus park near Pasir Panjang
EWL/NSL,DTL & Bukit Panjang LRT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Berlin_B9TL_517.jpg
SMRT should consider this but of course with full roof and aircon plus powerful engine if they wanna different from SBST.See the rear door?Its far from usual
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Reading_Transport_1103.JPG or this with new DSC9 320hp/1600nm
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The 112 & 113 taiji is more because if you noticed, the last bus coincides w/ the last MRT arrival at Kovan.
But Kovan does not have Int, and it's not operationally practical for last bus from Hougang Central all the way to say Upp Paya Lebar and loop back.
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Seriously SBST do have their reasons for 112/113.Last time there's Hougang South Int.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Seriously SBST do have their reasons for 112/113.Last time there's Hougang South Int.
All SBST Interchanges got feeders but Sembawang Int got feeder or not?882 is trunk leh.
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As long as the bus travels out of the estate it's considered as trunk liao..regardless of the route? There are some trunk services with ultra-short round-trip routes that are even shorter than residential feeder services.
Sv 6 - total 11.7km - trunk cos it goes to Loyang, which is out of Pasir Ris
Sv 11 - total 6.2km - trunk cos it goes out of Geylang
Sv 42 - total 5.8km - trunk cos kembangan and siglap are two different estates
Sv 84 - total 5.7km - trunk cos Punggol End is considered outside of Punggol estate liao
Sv 91 - total 6.8km - trunk cos Buona Vista and Ayer Rajah are two different estates
Sv 96 - total 6.7km - trunk cos NUS is considered not inside Clementi estate
Sv 112 - total 18.3km - trunk cos Kovan is outside of Hougang?? or route too long?? or Kovan is not considered as residential area??
Sv 113 - total 16.7km - trunk cos Kovan is outside of Hougang?? or route too long??or Kovan is not considered as residential area??
Sv 115 - total 4.7km - trunk ?? don't understand why is it not feeder?? Kovan is not considered as residential area??
Sv 179 - total 9.8km - trunk cos NTU is considered not inside Jurong West estate
Sv 181 - total 6.2km - trunk ?? don't understand why is it not feeder?? Jurong West Ave 3/5 is not considered as residential area??
Sv 191 - total 7.1km - trunk cos Portsdown is not considered inside Buona Vista
Sv 199 - total 11.1km - trunk cos NTU is considered not inside Jurong West estate
Sv 229 - total 9.8km - feeder
Sv 240 - total 15.4km - feeder
Sv 403 - total 7.9km - trunk !! cos Pasir Ris Park is considered not inside Pasir Ris estate??
Sv 410 - total 9.5km - feeder !! Upp Thomson is considered inside Bishan estate??
Sv 882 - total 8.9km - trunk cos Sembawang End is considered outside of Sembawang estate liao
Sv 964 - total 9.9km - trunk cos Woodlands Industrial Estate is not considered as residential
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
As long as the bus travels out of the estate it's considered as trunk liao..regardless of the route? There are some trunk services with ultra-short round-trip routes that are even shorter than residential feeder services.
Sv 6 - total 11.7km - trunk cos it goes to Loyang, which is out of Pasir Ris
Sv 11 - total 6.2km - trunk cos it goes out of Geylang
Sv 42 - total 5.8km - trunk cos kembangan and siglap are two different estates
Sv 84 - total 5.7km - trunk cos Punggol End is considered outside of Punggol estate liao
Sv 91 - total 6.8km - trunk cos Buona Vista and Ayer Rajah are two different estates
Sv 96 - total 6.7km - trunk cos NUS is considered not inside Clementi estate
Sv 112 - total 18.3km - trunk cos Kovan is outside of Hougang?? or route too long?? or Kovan is not considered as residential area??
Sv 113 - total 16.7km - trunk cos Kovan is outside of Hougang?? or route too long??or Kovan is not considered as residential area??
Sv 115 - total 4.7km - trunk ?? don't understand why is it not feeder?? Kovan is not considered as residential area??
Sv 179 - total 9.8km - trunk cos NTU is considered not inside Jurong West estate
Sv 181 - total 6.2km - trunk ?? don't understand why is it not feeder?? Jurong West Ave 3/5 is not considered as residential area??
Sv 191 - total 7.1km - trunk cos Portsdown is not considered inside Buona Vista
Sv 199 - total 11.1km - trunk cos NTU is considered not inside Jurong West estate
Sv 229 - total 9.8km - feeder
Sv 240 - total 15.4km - feeder
Sv 403 - total 7.9km - trunk !! cos Pasir Ris Park is considered not inside Pasir Ris estate??
Sv 410 - total 9.5km - feeder !! Upp Thomson is considered inside Bishan estate??
Sv 882 - total 8.9km - trunk cos Sembawang End is considered outside of Sembawang estate liao
Sv 964 - total 9.9km - trunk cos Woodlands Industrial Estate is not considered as residential
112 should be feeder because even though it serves 18.4km, all is in the hougang vicinity.. The loop point is near the interchange.. And 112 needs to go thru 9km of hougang estates.... To the loop point? Lol. 113 same case as 101. 113 from hg int to upp paya lebar rd is totally diff estates. Hougang is hougang, lorong ah soo is lorong ah soo, totally diff. Kovan is a private residential estate as the mrt station is outside several condos.. -
Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
As long as the bus travels out of the estate it's considered as trunk liao..regardless of the route? There are some trunk services with ultra-short round-trip routes that are even shorter than residential feeder services.
Sv 6 - total 11.7km - trunk cos it goes to Loyang, which is out of Pasir Ris
Sv 11 - total 6.2km - trunk cos it goes out of Geylang
Sv 42 - total 5.8km - trunk cos kembangan and siglap are two different estates
Sv 84 - total 5.7km - trunk cos Punggol End is considered outside of Punggol estate liao
Sv 91 - total 6.8km - trunk cos Buona Vista and Ayer Rajah are two different estates
Sv 96 - total 6.7km - trunk cos NUS is considered not inside Clementi estate
Sv 112 - total 18.3km - trunk cos Kovan is outside of Hougang?? or route too long?? or Kovan is not considered as residential area??
Sv 113 - total 16.7km - trunk cos Kovan is outside of Hougang?? or route too long??or Kovan is not considered as residential area??
Sv 115 - total 4.7km - trunk ?? don't understand why is it not feeder?? Kovan is not considered as residential area??
Sv 179 - total 9.8km - trunk cos NTU is considered not inside Jurong West estate
Sv 181 - total 6.2km - trunk ?? don't understand why is it not feeder?? Jurong West Ave 3/5 is not considered as residential area??
Sv 191 - total 7.1km - trunk cos Portsdown is not considered inside Buona Vista
Sv 199 - total 11.1km - trunk cos NTU is considered not inside Jurong West estate
Sv 229 - total 9.8km - feeder
Sv 240 - total 15.4km - feeder
Sv 403 - total 7.9km - trunk !! cos Pasir Ris Park is considered not inside Pasir Ris estate??
Sv 410 - total 9.5km - feeder !! Upp Thomson is considered inside Bishan estate??
Sv 882 - total 8.9km - trunk cos Sembawang End is considered outside of Sembawang estate liao
Sv 964 - total 9.9km - trunk cos Woodlands Industrial Estate is not considered as residential
Punggol Road End is considered inside Punggol New Town. New Flats will be built in that area..
112 and 113 should be feeder or Townlink..
181 should be feeder..
lol 403 existed before Pasir Ris New Town developed.. -
the list should not even appear in the first place. how service numbers are numbered depends on when they are numbered. you mix old service numbers that were numbered last time and newer service numbers that were numbered within the past 5 years...
got logic or not?
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
Punggol Road End is considered inside Punggol New Town. New Flats will be built in that area..
112 and 113 should be feeder or Townlink..
181 should be feeder..
lol 403 existed before Pasir Ris New Town developed..
Refer to the last bus timing issue and QoS for feeder bus...181's refer to its initial ops hrs
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
112 should be feeder because even though it serves 18.4km, all is in the hougang vicinity.. The loop point is near the interchange.. And 112 needs to go thru 9km of hougang estates.... To the loop point? Lol. 113 same case as 101. 113 from hg int to upp paya lebar rd is totally diff estates. Hougang is hougang, lorong ah soo is lorong ah soo, totally diff. Kovan is a private residential estate as the mrt station is outside several condos..
refer to the last bus ops issue that I've postedLast bus timing is based on Kovan which is not a bus interchange...
Kovan Stn at pte estate??? so block 205 is private estate?
