Why Singapore need DDs & why it's impractical to use bendies
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Need me to say what I saw at Yishun before...
Just because the front boarding bendy has long queue, the behind berth's bendy gotta reverse to move off...
If it's peak hours how ar??? Kiap by the bus behind? lol
yah yah... faster alighting at boarding berth
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Lol
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Need me to say what I saw at Yishun before...
Just because the front boarding bendy has long queue, the behind berth's bendy gotta reverse to move off...
If it's peak hours how ar??? Kiap by the bus behind? lol
yah yah... faster alighting at boarding berth
In my opinion, don't need queuing berths/railings during peak hours. Sometimes one bus takes 3-5 minutes for queuing passengers to fully load up.
Imagine if two buses arrive at the berth at the same time, the behind bus has to wait 3-5 minutes for the front bus to move off, and spend another 3-5 minutes.
There are also situations where increasing number of foreigners who don't have ezlink cards and they need to ask the SLs for exact fares to pay by cash, this further slows down the boarding process if they clog at the entrance besides the SL's cabin
Some even carry bulky items and luggage and take their own sweet time to fish for the exact cash/coins, the queue get stuck
Some tap their card unsuccessfully and realize that their ezlink cards are defective or out-of-value and have to fish for cash, as a result hogging up the queue behind.
Some aunties even stand at the entrance and ask the SL for directions, hogging up the queue behind...especially these days so many foreigners and tourists
Sometimes, the bus almost full already and passengers at the front door still insist on boarding and squeezing in, the SL, unable to close the front door, has to shout for the passengers inside to move in further and squeeze
All these are factors delaying the bus. During the morning rush hours, almost 90% of commuters are stressed up and hot tempered and in a rush
i prefer they remove all the queue railings at Yishun and Woodlands.
All 3 doors of bendy should be used for boarding. From 3 minutes can be reduced to 1 minute.
The operators have no excuse for late departure from bus interchanges
London practises this.
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
As long as the bus travels out of the estate it's considered as trunk liao..regardless of the route? There are some trunk services with ultra-short round-trip routes that are even shorter than residential feeder services.
Sv 403 - total 7.9km - trunk !! cos Pasir Ris Park is considered not inside Pasir Ris estate??
I don't know what you're trying to mean; are you trying to imply Pasir Ris Park is not counted as under Pasir Ris Estate? Then where else you want to classify Pasir Ris Park? Ubin? Changi? Yishun? Woodlands? Bishan? Tampines?
Pasir Ris Park is classfied under Pasir Ris Estate AFAIK. Even DPM Teo says so. Just that 403 was classified even as a Parks service (like 408 & 409) when the Park services labelling came out, the Sv 403 guide even used to print it as a Parks service..then they dropped that scheme for 403 later somehow but kept it for 408 & 409. -
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SMB105S
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
In my opinion, don't need queuing berths/railings during peak hours. Sometimes one bus takes 3-5 minutes for queuing passengers to fully load up.
Imagine if two buses arrive at the berth at the same time, the behind bus has to wait 3-5 minutes for the front bus to move off, and spend another 3-5 minutes.
There are also situations where increasing number of foreigners who don't have ezlink cards and they need to ask the SLs for exact fares to pay by cash, this further slows down the boarding process if they clog at the entrance besides the SL's cabin
Some even carry bulky items and luggage and take their own sweet time to fish for the exact cash/coins, the queue get stuck
Some tap their card unsuccessfully and realize that their ezlink cards are defective or out-of-value and have to fish for cash, as a result hogging up the queue behind.
Some aunties even stand at the entrance and ask the SL for directions, hogging up the queue behind...especially these days so many foreigners and tourists
Sometimes, the bus almost full already and passengers at the front door still insist on boarding and squeezing in, the SL, unable to close the front door, has to shout for the passengers inside to move in further and squeeze
All these are factors delaying the bus. During the morning rush hours, almost 90% of commuters are stressed up and hot tempered and in a rush
i prefer they remove all the queue railings at Yishun and Woodlands.
All 3 doors of bendy should be used for boarding. From 3 minutes can be reduced to 1 minute.
The operators have no excuse for late departure from bus interchanges
London practises this.
Then if that being the case, 179A this kind of bus route there'll be no proper order anymore...
The one bus per berthing is very simple, if not if the front bus moves off and 2nd bus is still boarding, what happens behind?
Any case, the railing alrdy makes PTO supposed to plan better, higher and lower demand ones to be mixed together.
Why must the bendy 2nd and 3rd door allow boarding? How would ppl know the bus is packed, and not blocking the door sensor? Or even, are ppl tapping the card?
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Originally posted by Myhabit:
Suspect:
SMB105S
(KJDEP 172) (KJDEP 67)Wrong forum
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Then if that being the case, 179A this kind of bus route there'll be no proper order anymore...
The one bus per berthing is very simple, if not if the front bus moves off and 2nd bus is still boarding, what happens behind?
Any case, the railing alrdy makes PTO supposed to plan better, higher and lower demand ones to be mixed together.
Why must the bendy 2nd and 3rd door allow boarding? How would ppl know the bus is packed, and not blocking the door sensor? Or even, are ppl tapping the card?
Going in thru exit doors reminds me of 170 and 160 at Woodlands Checkpoint
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Then if that being the case, 179A this kind of bus route there'll be no proper order anymore...
The one bus per berthing is very simple, if not if the front bus moves off and 2nd bus is still boarding, what happens behind?
Any case, the railing alrdy makes PTO supposed to plan better, higher and lower demand ones to be mixed together.
Why must the bendy 2nd and 3rd door allow boarding? How would ppl know the bus is packed, and not blocking the door sensor? Or even, are ppl tapping the card?
Huh? Not tapping card?
Drivers got camera if I remember. Even without camera, the other commuters will probably stop those people.
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Originally posted by SBS8501U:
Huh? Not tapping card?
Drivers got camera if I remember. Even without camera, the other commuters will probably stop those people.
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
Going in thru exit doors reminds me of 170 and 160 at Woodlands Checkpoint
the only proper place you see ppl boarding from exit door is 179A at BNL Int... as in the typical boarding.160 & 170 is checkpoint mode w/ timekeeper at the CIQ
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Originally posted by sbst275:
the only proper place you see ppl boarding from exit door is 179A at BNL Int... as in the typical boarding.160 & 170 is checkpoint mode w/ timekeeper at the CIQ
I saw this happen for 291 at Tampines. The ground staff allowed boarding from the exit door and then the BC came saying that most people entered without tapping. People want to save money, if they get a chance.Observed so many people during rush hours not tapping while entering from front door. Sometimes they get caught, sometimes they travel free.
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
In my opinion, don't need queuing berths/railings during peak hours. Sometimes one bus takes 3-5 minutes for queuing passengers to fully load up.
Imagine if two buses arrive at the berth at the same time, the behind bus has to wait 3-5 minutes for the front bus to move off, and spend another 3-5 minutes.
There are also situations where increasing number of foreigners who don't have ezlink cards and they need to ask the SLs for exact fares to pay by cash, this further slows down the boarding process if they clog at the entrance besides the SL's cabin
Some even carry bulky items and luggage and take their own sweet time to fish for the exact cash/coins, the queue get stuck
Some tap their card unsuccessfully and realize that their ezlink cards are defective or out-of-value and have to fish for cash, as a result hogging up the queue behind.
Some aunties even stand at the entrance and ask the SL for directions, hogging up the queue behind...especially these days so many foreigners and tourists
Sometimes, the bus almost full already and passengers at the front door still insist on boarding and squeezing in, the SL, unable to close the front door, has to shout for the passengers inside to move in further and squeeze
All these are factors delaying the bus. During the morning rush hours, almost 90% of commuters are stressed up and hot tempered and in a rush
i prefer they remove all the queue railings at Yishun and Woodlands.
All 3 doors of bendy should be used for boarding. From 3 minutes can be reduced to 1 minute.
The operators have no excuse for late departure from bus interchanges
London practises this.
Agree!!! Speed up boarding at interchange!! Feeder bus use distance fare only extra few cents from MRT so people can't save so much!!! -
if PIW want to board how?
ppl board 1st? No standardisation on the SOP...
Whatever ground staff you've, they can only concentrate on the heavier loading ones... we've alrdy gone to OMO and w/ farecard payment, what do you want to expect..
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
Woodlands Interchange is the only one in Singapore where the most number of bendies buses congregate during peak hours!! Out of all 6 interchanges under SMRT purview, woodlands is heavily congested with 25 services all the others are under-utilized
Woodlands - 25 bus services (15 are bendy services)
161, 168, 169, 178, 187, 856, 858, 900, 901, 902, 903, 911, 912, 913, 925, 926, 950,960, 961, 962, 963, 964, 965, 966, 969
Yishun - 16 bus services (9 are bendy services)
39, 85, 171, 800, 804, 806, 811, 812, 851, 852, 853, 854, 855, 856, 857, 859
Choa Chu Kang - 10 bus services (6 are bendy)
67, 172, 188, 190, 300, 302, 307, 925, 927, 985
Bt Panjang Int - 11 bus services (5 are bendy)
75, 176, 177, 180, 184, 700, 920, 922, 970, 971E, 975
Bt Batok Int - 10 bus services (2 are bendy)
61, 77, 106, 173, 177, 189, 852, 941, 945, 947
Sembawang Int - (5 services)
167, 859, 882, 980, 981
We should reduce the services available at Woodlands Interchange to reduce the congestion caused by bendies
161 - duplicates 168 from TPE (Seletar) to woodlands, in my opinion, this service should be truncated to start from Hougang Central and loop at jalan kayu bus stop instead, don't need to go all the way to Woodlands
168 - frequency should be further increased
169 - need not touch
178 - need not touch
187 - should be truncated to terminate at Bt Panjang Int
856 - in my opinion, this service should not terminate at Woodlands Interchange, should just do a loop at Marsiling station, eg. Woodlands centre road, Ave 3, St 11, St 13, centre road
858 - need not touch
900, 901, 902, 903, 911, 912, 913 - need not touch
925 - in my opinion, 925 doesn't need to go to Woodlands, from Sungei Kadut, it can just do a loop at Kranji MRT and U-turn back to CCK
926 - need not touch
950 - need not touch
960 - duplicates 961 from Bt Panjang to Woodlands. In my opinion it can just be truncated to terminate at Bt Panjang Int, doesn't need to go to Woodlands
961 - need not touch
962 - need not touch
963 - need not touch
964 - Should start from Sembawang Int and plies Woodlands Loop
965 - Should start from Sembawang Int since we already have 969 from Woodlands to Gambas Ave
966 - should be truncated to terminate at Bt Panjang Int
969 - need not touch
By making the above amendments, we can reduce 8 bus services at woodlands interchange to alleviate congestion at the interchange
We don't need so many buses in Woodlands as there are already 3 MRT stations serving
Sorry, even though there are 15 svces with bendy, Woodlands Reg Int still can operate smoothly, even during peak hours.
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Smooth my a**.
Everyone I know who comes to WRI says the same thing:
Deafening echo and darn chaotic.
No guesses which is the major culprit.
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Yishun also got parking mess... buses treating alighting bays as parking lots
Need me say I've begun noticing 911, 912, 913 the normal & E buses appearing together at Woodlands Centre again?
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Smooth my a**.
Everyone I know who comes to WRI says the same thing:
Deafening echo and darn chaotic.
No guesses which is the major culprit.
How would you even know what my "smooth" means?
I don't even see any problem for any svc exiting WRI when they are stuck in a jam, even though there are horns/slight delay? And the congestion isn't started by bendy, but rather long queue of buses(mainly rigids).
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You know the standard practice when there are 2 buses waiting to queue at a saw-tooth berth. The 2nd BC usually keeps a gap between his bus and the front one so that a bus that wishes to leave the preceding berth can do so.
And what happens? The rear gets choked.
And if the bus moves forward? The preceding berth gets choked.
Dillemma dillemma dillema.
And I have seen BCs who are in a rush TSK loudly when they get stuck behind a bendy in the bus-bay.
Simply irritating.
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cos SMRT they would park close.. .cos they expect the behind berth bus to go-stan...
but like I've said, that bl#%dy mess would be worst when subsequent buses arrives.. worst it's bendy buses...
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
How would you even know what my "smooth" means?
I don't even see any problem for any svc exiting WRI when they are stuck in a jam, even though there are horns/slight delay? And the congestion isn't started by bendy, but rather long queue of buses(mainly rigids).
do they properly queue up and leave a gap?do they realise they're driving a bendy bus?
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
How would you even know what my "smooth" means?
I don't even see any problem for any svc exiting WRI when they are stuck in a jam, even though there are horns/slight delay? And the congestion isn't started by bendy, but rather long queue of buses(mainly rigids).
I used to live at Woodlands before the bendy mess descended.
I still miss Woodlands.
But not the current mess at WRI.
It wasn't like this up till the late 90s.
Things became horrible from the early 2000s. Its no coincidence that this was when the bendy fleet expanded rapidly.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
You know the standard practice when there are 2 buses waiting to queue at a saw-tooth berth. The 2nd BC usually keeps a gap between his bus and the front one so that a bus that wishes to leave the preceding berth can do so.
And what happens? The rear gets choked.
And if the bus moves forward? The preceding berth gets choked.
Dillemma dillemma dillema.
And I have seen BCs who are in a rush TSK loudly when they get stuck behind a bendy in the bus-bay.
Simply irritating.
If it's irritating to you, get your ears deaf then~~
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You haven't picked the hint up haven't you?
Over at the previous thread, a forum regular who gives no sh*t about the bus forum already expressed strong displeasure at bendies.
The fact is that the general public liked bendies as novelty transport, but adding a significant number to them and all the serious problems start appearing.
As for the COI, it seems clear to me that there won't be any more bendies. SMRT has also just been fined a whopping amount and won't be inclined to do anymore stunts, at least for the time being.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
You haven't picked the hint up haven't you?
Over at the previous thread, a forum regular who gives no sh*t about the bus forum already expressed strong displeasure at bendies.
The fact is that the general public liked bendies as novelty transport, but adding a significant number to them and all the serious problems start appearing.
As for the COI, it seems clear to me that there won't be any more bendies. SMRT has also just been fined a whopping amount and won't be inclined to do anymore stunts, at least for the time being.
"Longer articulated buses could not turn around at certain stations such as Bishan and Ang Mo Kio" doesn't mean it's the end? That's only for train disruption, not for services issues? Plus, if they said that longer articulated buses couldn't turn, why don't they deploy double decks out after the major breakdown(during the CCL etc.)?