Why Singapore need DDs & why it's impractical to use bendies
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
"Longer articulated buses could not turn around at certain stations such as Bishan and Ang Mo Kio" doesn't mean it's the end? That's only for train disruption, not for services issues? Plus, if they said that longer articulated buses couldn't turn, why don't they deploy double decks out after the major breakdown(during the CCL etc.)?
so how you fight a war??say for NEL... if I need to pull buses out, the trunk svs would end up be operating w/ lesser buses.. how to tong the capacity say during off peak? ADDs would fit the picture for the trunk sv's capacity issue.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
so how you fight a war??say for NEL... if I need to pull buses out, the trunk svs would end up be operating w/ lesser buses.. how to tong the capacity say during off peak? ADDs would fit the picture for the trunk sv's capacity issue.
Obviously not the entire DDs out...
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Bendies for feeder, nowhere else.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
so how you fight a war??say for NEL... if I need to pull buses out, the trunk svs would end up be operating w/ lesser buses.. how to tong the capacity say during off peak? ADDs would fit the picture for the trunk sv's capacity issue.
Then y no ADD during any MRT breakdown??? Not even NEL???
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
"Longer articulated buses could not turn around at certain stations such as Bishan and Ang Mo Kio" doesn't mean it's the end? That's only for train disruption, not for services issues? Plus, if they said that longer articulated buses couldn't turn, why don't they deploy double decks out after the major breakdown(during the CCL etc.)?
I'm not sure if you get what was implied by the COI & LTA. Yes, that's for train distruptions. But if the main SMRT lines have distruptions, they would have to kope buses from their own bus fleet to supplement the stranded pax, no?
What the LTA is saying is that if they could, they would rather not do with Bendies serving pax even during distruptions. And since Bendies make up quite a huge portion of SMRT's fleet, and deploying Bendies even for something simpler like bus bridging during train distruptions has so much problems due to the length of the buses in turning, the LTA is trying to hint implicitly that SMRT has to look at other ways to bridge the train service in the future. -
Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
I'm not sure if you get what was implied by the COI & LTA. Yes, that's for train distruptions. But if the main SMRT lines have distruptions, they would have to kope buses from their own bus fleet to supplement the stranded pax, no?
What the LTA is saying is that if they could, they would rather not do with Bendies serving pax even during distruptions. And since Bendies make up quite a huge portion of SMRT's fleet, and deploying Bendies even for something simpler like bus bridging during train distruptions has so much problems due to the length of the buses in turning, the LTA is trying to hint implicitly that SMRT has to look at other ways to bridge the train service in the future.SMRT operates with Rigids/bendies. I believe that they can deploy out rigids instead of bendies for certain train diversion route? Then those services that are bendy-friendly can get full bendy fleet instead of rigid/bendy fleet?
Anyway, in Singapore, you will sure be expecting pros/cons everywhere. So I don't think it's a good idea for SMRT to "upgrade" their fleet from bendy to DDs. Plus, a mixture would be better than identical.
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
Then y no ADD during any MRT breakdown??? Not even NEL???
so you want to know the hard truth?I tell u, MRT bridging is packed even LTA would not really much nag vs trunk buses getting packed...
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Anyway, in Singapore, you will sure be expecting pros/cons everywhere. So I don't think it's a good idea for SMRT to "upgrade" their fleet from bendy to DDs. Plus, a mixture would be better than identical.
Ya, there will sure be pros and cons. But the best solutions is to reduce the cons and not to drag the problems forever.
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Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
Ya, there will sure be pros and cons. But the best solutions is to reduce the cons and not to drag the problems forever.
A blend of different categories is always good...
10% bendies
40% DDs
40% SD rigids
5% Non AC
5% minibus (remembered seeing them on Sv 20 which served St George's estate and Sv 825 many years ago)
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
A blend of different categories is always good...
10% bendies
40% DDs
40% SD rigids
5% Non AC
5% minibus (remembered seeing them on Sv 20 which served St George's estate and Sv 825 many years ago)
Problem is with some buses like midi buses, the kind of loads that we have now cannot justify them anymore. If not, why no replacements for the Dennis Darts???
Non AC, out of question already. Passengers can't wait to see them go.
Bendies, space, safety and maintainance problems. Not practical in future when population keep on increasing.
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
"Longer articulated buses could not turn around at certain stations such as Bishan and Ang Mo Kio" doesn't mean it's the end? That's only for train disruption, not for services issues? Plus, if they said that longer articulated buses couldn't turn, why don't they deploy double decks out after the major breakdown(during the CCL etc.)?
As the old saying goes, you dont wait till sai ji ka chng to do something.
Brief and as-crude-as-possible-to-get-my point-through:
You dont wait till your a**-hole is 110% full of shit before you clear it.
Anyway, so many flaws in the current privatisation model. Well. Maybe its a calling of sorts, but I'll see what I can apply from what I had learnt in Bangladesh and explore a third way in business for my thesis.
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
A blend of different categories is always good...
10% bendies
40% DDs
40% SD rigids
5% Non AC
5% minibus (remembered seeing them on Sv 20 which served St George's estate and Sv 825 many years ago)
You have no chance to see non air con buses in future. The last purchase was on 1994.
There are still many Bus Plus buses around.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
I believe not many people are happy about the hub and spoke concept nowadays because of the mulitple transfers they have to make just to get from point A to point B.
Why are so many incidents of people fighting over seats recently? I don't think having lesser seats is suitable for our context. Think of all those working long hours everyday as well, do you think they like to stand for the whole trip and transfer many times just to go to work and go home? And not many are smart experts, which in fact, most commuters want the simpliest way to get from point A to B.
Even if with a hub and spoke concept, I believe maintaining a full single decker fleet is good enough. They are flexible and bus stops can hold at least 2 buses of different services at the same time which is faster and more efficient.
You are wrong.
Once people got used to the system, practically everyone I know now liked the hub and spoke system.
And it makes far more sense than taking train only.
Or taking bus only.
The flexibility I now gain from having the liberty to alight, drink tao huey zhui, and then take another bus to another destination is tremendous.
And now taking feeder bus to my house from the MRT station is such an attractive option instead of walking 15 minutes in the sun to save 60 cents.
And perhaps you do not travel like I do on a daily basis. I can switch buses up to 3x per trip to try to find a good balance between having seats and reaching my destinations quickly.
Call it troublesome. But consider my trip to Bedok from Hougang Ave 8 this morning:
If I take the train only (NEL=>CCL=>EWL), I take around 50 minutes, including a 15 minutes walk from my house.
By contrast, despite walking 10 minutes, and then switching buses 3 times and having to wait 10 minutes, and 5 minutes for the first 2 buses (62=>25=>28), I took 40 minutes to reach Bedok MRT. And the trip was cheaper!
You should not discount the flexibility in planning trips courtesy of this new system.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
so you want to know the hard truth?I tell u, MRT bridging is packed even LTA would not really much nag vs trunk buses getting packed...
You see, they have other services like 80 to relieve 30% of the MRT crowd for NEL during breakdowns.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
You are wrong.
Once people got used to the system, practically everyone I know now liked the hub and spoke system.
And it makes far more sense than taking train only.
Or taking bus only.
The flexibility I now gain from having the liberty to alight, drink tao huey zhui, and then take another bus to another destination is tremendous.
And now taking feeder bus to my house from the MRT station is such an attractive option instead of walking 15 minutes in the sun to save 60 cents.
And perhaps you do not travel like I do on a daily basis. I can switch buses up to 3x per trip to try to find a good balance between having seats and reaching my destinations quickly.
Call it troublesome. But consider my trip to Bedok from Hougang Ave 8 this morning:
If I take the train only (NEL=>CCL=>EWL), I take around 50 minutes, including a 15 minutes walk from my house.
By contrast, despite walking 10 minutes, and then switching buses 3 times and having to wait 10 minutes, and 5 minutes for the first 2 buses (62=>25=>28), I took 40 minutes to reach Bedok MRT. And the trip was cheaper!
You should not discount the flexibility in planning trips courtesy of this new system.
How long would ALL the people get used to the system??
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
You see, they have other services like 80 to relieve 30% of the MRT crowd for NEL during breakdowns.
Unfortunately services like 80 are already usually crowded to start with.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
You see, they have other services like 80 to relieve 30% of the MRT crowd for NEL during breakdowns.
There may be other services like 80 and 147 that can cover during break downs, but these routes in itself are heavily utilized even on normal MRT days. Not sure if they can be of significant help unless more buses are deployed.
I see a trend where people are moving back to buses from MRT, considering the MRTs are so crowded these days. What would otherwise explain every 147 in the morning peak to be full even at Woodleigh, Potong, Boon Keng, Farrer, Little India, Dhoby Ghaut??
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
There may be other services like 80 and 147 that can cover during break downs, but these routes in itself are heavily utilized even on normal MRT days. Not sure if they can be of significant help unless more buses are deployed.
I see a trend where people are moving back to buses from MRT, considering the MRTs are so crowded these days. What would otherwise explain every 147 in the morning peak to be full even at Woodleigh, Potong, Boon Keng, Farrer, Little India, Dhoby Ghaut??
SBST should revert 81, 82, 97 and 111 back, at least 111 to Serangoon and 97 to Punggol. And 82 to Shenton Way again via MBS.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
There may be other services like 80 and 147 that can cover during break downs, but these routes in itself are heavily utilized even on normal MRT days. Not sure if they can be of significant help unless more buses are deployed.
I see a trend where people are moving back to buses from MRT, considering the MRTs are so crowded these days. What would otherwise explain every 147 in the morning peak to be full even at Woodleigh, Potong, Boon Keng, Farrer, Little India, Dhoby Ghaut??
You can see some posters posted on Hougang And Serangoon Int near the exits, stating that if there is a NEL train breakdown, you can take service 80 to Punggol, Service 87 to Sengkang, and etc. Not much on MRT Breakdown shuttles.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
You can see some posters posted on Hougang And Serangoon Int near the exits, stating that if there is a NEL train breakdown, you can take service 80 to Punggol, Service 87 to Sengkang, and etc. Not much on MRT Breakdown shuttles.
Irrelevant to post this at Serangoon. Neither 80 nor 87 goes there!! -
Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
SBST should revert 81, 82, 97 and 111 back, at least 111 to Serangoon and 97 to Punggol. And 82 to Shenton Way again via MBS.
That will be a very long route for 97 as of today. By the time the bus comes to MBS / Harborfront, there will be bunching of buses. -
Originally posted by SBS2656X:
You can see some posters posted on Hougang And Serangoon Int near the exits, stating that if there is a NEL train breakdown, you can take service 80 to Punggol, Service 87 to Sengkang, and etc. Not much on MRT Breakdown shuttles.
do e know wat e poster is for? -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Irrelevant to post this at Serangoon. Neither 80 nor 87 goes there!!43 or 147 :3
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Originally posted by sbst275:
do e know wat e poster is for?Alternative buses available to be boarded when there is a NEL Train distruption.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Alternative buses available to be boarded when there is a NEL Train distruption.
you have said the very obvious yourself...so why would there be the NEL breakdown shuttle when it's a SOP item for long disruptions?