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Sidetracking due to a possibility for another flame war.

New question: Do you prefer the O405s with rim guards or without rim guards?

Originally posted by SBS 1000U:

• 1. 80km/h(Effecient??? Burn more fuel, higher fuel costs.)
• Speeding way above 60km/h. If get into an accident, high death and injuries rates.  Also very prone to overheating burnt bus. And I don't see them going above 65km/h most of the times, where they are already struggling on 65 to 70 km/h.
• As if like other buses cannot reach above 80km/h...  Just that they install speed limiters. Always going above 60km/h already broke the traffic law, by right vehicle should be impounded. 

 

• 2. Better acceleration(So as not to hold up buses behind)

Better acceleration my foot.  Many of them are struggling just to keep that kind of crazy accleration just to meet the tight schedules. That why so many of them are run down now, hard to maintain. Wrights, Citaros and O405s have even better and smoother acceleration than bendies. In fact, the bendies here are seriously overstrained just to keep in schedule. They are just not suitable for our operational needs. Many buses can have good acceleration, just that they are strictly enforced with speed limiters.

• 3. No height constraints

Not many routes have height constraints in Singapore and they can easily repaced by single deckers with good frequencies. At least more frequent buses than lousy frequencies just to fill up that bendy yet waste so much space on bus stops.

• 4. Elderly-friendly

Not all elderly likes to move all the way to the rear, most will prefer to sit in the front part.

• 5. Useful on feeders

A myth. Seriously double deckers can do the same job as well. From what I observed on 291 last week, people are also willingly to move uo as well, even it is just a feeder service. Goes the same for Bedok and Boon Lay feeders. It just takes time for people to adjust.

• 6. Higher capacity if commuters move to the rear

Problem is people don't like to move in the rear, BCs have to shout at people to move back. Same case of the double decker of telling people to move up. At least double decker is the lesser evil of the 2 which takes up much less space along the bus stop and do not delay other buses behind. And it only takes less than 10 people more than a double decker yet take up so much road space. Somemore frequencies are improved and more bus services to ease loads, no need high capacity bendies that hog the roads. So use double deckers better.

• 7. Faster boarding and alighting(So as to vacate the bus stop as quickly as possible)

 

Faster alighting, yes since it has a 3rd door. But if double deckers have 3rd doors as well, isn't it the same??? But double deckers are better with smaller road space it takes up.

And how much faster it is??? At most 1 to 2 mins but delay other buses behind by up to 10 mins.

Faster boarding definate a no. 8 mins to fill a double decker is better than 8 mins to fill a bendy because bendy blocks the path of other buses behind, while double decker don't block the path of other buses behind.

8. Takes up a lot of road space, in bus stops, bus interchanges, bus depots causing jams and queues and make the overall bus operations disruptive, messy and hard to organise. Also costly because need more land space and bus companies have to buy more expensive land just to park more of such long buses. These money can be saved for more profits.

9. Overheats easily. Yes and that is why so many are burnt down. Very disruptive to bus company because of their short of buses which are burnt down.

10. Bad at reverse turns, sharp turns and 3-point turns, may jacknife(no prob with u turns) U-turns, and sharp bends sometimes can mount kerbs, especially dangerous for standees.

11. High accident rates. Speeding, long bodies and higher chances in contact with other vehicles, swaying trailers on wet roads and rainy days.

12. Cut into many lanes when overtaking or turning right. Delay other buses and vehicles benind. Worst is in a CBD jam, waste a lot of road space when it cuts off many lanes.

13. Articulator is more complex to maintain and more costly to maintain as well, due to electronics and complex structures. Articulator rubber walls gets easily dirty and hard to clean and maintain. Hard to maintain overall as well. Look at how SMRT maintains most of them. They only be better during once in a blue moon refurnishments. SMRT can't be bother with them anyway.

14. Not suitable for smaller bus interchanges and depots for the future. Somemore these buses will only make things worse when the government wants to add more buses for better frequencies and more bus services. Imagine all bendies, how long will the queues be and how much delays it can give. Totally not in line with what the LTA wants for efficient bus transport.  In future, the population will be big, but our land space is so small. Of course, moving up is the better choice. Just like high rise HDB flats vs terranced houses.

15. Many services, even with good frequencies, need high passengers loadings but yet cannot be deployed bacause limitations of parking spaces for limited number of bendies in depots and interchanges. These services loadings can be greatly improved if SMRT uses double deckers. This problem will be even worse when our population increases in future. SMRT should tackle this increasing loading problem using standard 12 m high capacity buses now or else in the future, their operations can't keep up with the increasing loadings but smaller interchanges and depots with fewer buses avaliable.  They should ditch bendies.

The gvmt bought the bendies for a reason. So just suck it up and stop whining like a little kid, weenie.

So u saying bendies have no advantages against DDs?! I can name a list. DDs are good and all I know that, but bendies have its own advantages and all as well.Your post above just described bendies as nothing but a useless junk, when it is NOT 

If u can, go operate a bus company yourself, then you can see your favourite DDs everyday and dunnid to put up with bendies. But for now, SMRT is buying bendies, and I can tell bendies are to stay in Singapore in a certain amount. ;)  

Originally posted by SMB128B:

Wow. You seemed to really hate against bendies.

The gvmt bought the bendies for a reason. So just suck it up and stop whining like a little kid, weenie.

So u saying bendies have no advantages against DDs?! I can name a list. DDs are good and all I know that, but bendies have its own advantages and all as well.Your post above just described bendies as nothing but a useless junk, when it is NOT 

If u can, go operate a bus company yourself, then you can see your favourite DDs everyday and dunnid to put up with bendies. But for now, SMRT is buying bendies, and I can tell bendies are to stay in Singapore in a certain amount. ;)  

SMRT should buy 100 bendies, and at least 200 - 300 DDs.

Originally posted by SMB128B:

Wow. You seemed to really hate against bendies.

The gvmt bought the bendies for a reason. So just suck it up and stop whining like a little kid, weenie.

So u saying bendies have no advantages against DDs?! I can name a list. DDs are good and all I know that, but bendies have its own advantages and all as well.Your post above just described bendies as nothing but a useless junk, when it is NOT 

If u can, go operate a bus company yourself, then you can see your favourite DDs everyday and dunnid to put up with bendies. But for now, SMRT is buying bendies, and I can tell bendies are to stay in Singapore in a certain amount. ;)  

Agree!!! SBS1000U hate bendy TO THE MAX and want all scrap!! Must not allow that to happen!!

Originally posted by TIB 501 D:

Bendies, 7 advantages vs 3 disadvantages(how many times must I list this down...)

• 1. 80km/h(Effecient)
• 2. Better acceleration(So as not to hold up buses behind)
• 3. No height constraints
• 4. Elderly-friendly
• 5. Useful on feeders
• 6. Higher capacity if commuters move to the rear
• 7. Faster boarding and alighting(So as to vacate the bus stop as quickly as possible)

• 1. Road space, parking space and bus stop space, blah blah blah...
• 2. Overheats easily
• 3. Bad at reverse turns, sharp turns and 3-point turns, may jacknife(no prob with u turns)

JUST HOW MANY TIMES MUST I REPEAT THIS!!! Damn pissed off trying to repeat sia...

50 or 100 of them not happy isit? Still don't want to preserve variety... Bad enough that SBS997A is deregistered already...

Just like the superlong, will u rather throw it away or preserve it if it's still alive now, huh???

Selfish people who don't want to preserve variety, yet complain here nit-pick there... Sigh... Just live with it and appreciate its good points man...

I don't want this to escalate into another flamewar, I had enough of them already...

Well my friend.. I am not against bendies, but just want to point out that in your advantages only point 3 is valid: height restrictions.

1,2,7 - makes no difference. Take a bendy on 854 and a DD on 25. They follow the same route for some 15kms. You will notice when one follows the other, there is no difference in time between the two type of buses. If you get off the bendy, you will see the 25 DD right behind and vice versa. It is a MYTH that bendies are faster.

4 - why is DD bus not friendly for elders??? It does have a lower deck :)

6 - DDs have higher capacity than bendy buses. On a 854 after 110 pax, no one can enter the Habit, on 25 DD - pax go upto 125 pax.

5 - Useful on feeders. Another myth. See how well utilized the DDs are on 222, 291, 334. Anyway, I don't think you have gone to Woodlands to see the mess the number of bendies make at the interchange.

Bendies should continue to operate on routes such as 67, 180, 960, 969 and feeder routes under SMRT but long-haul CBD routes, city routes and intra town routes should be operated using DDs.

Buy 100 bendies, 300 DDs - should be good.

Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

Well my friend.. I am not against bendies, but just want to point out that in your advantages only point 3 is valid: height restrictions.

1,2,7 - makes no difference. Take a bendy on 854 and a DD on 25. They follow the same route for some 15kms. You will notice when one follows the other, there is no difference in time between the two type of buses. If you get off the bendy, you will see the 25 DD right behind and vice versa. It is a MYTH that bendies are faster.

4 - why is DD bus not friendly for elders??? It does have a lower deck :)

6 - DDs have higher capacity than bendy buses. On a 854 after 110 pax, no one can enter the Habit, on 25 DD - pax go upto 125 pax.

5 - Useful on feeders. Another myth. See how well utilized the DDs are on 222, 291, 334. Anyway, I don't think you have gone to Woodlands to see the mess the number of bendies make at the interchange.

Bendies should continue to operate on routes such as 67, 180, 960, 969 and feeder routes under SMRT but long-haul CBD routes, city routes and intra town routes should be operated using DDs.

Buy 100 bendies, 300 DDs - should be good.

Point 4 he meant by if the lower deck is full elderly difficult to get up, but on bendy easier as they only have to get to the back without having to climb any steps

Originally posted by TIB1218R:

You should try Tridents on 89, they are great. and easy to catch

<3  AWESHOME ~~~ ^.^ the SBS9676S I was riding back to Sengkang floored all the way through TPE from PSR entrance till Punggol Serangoon reservoir... 

The feeling of cruising along TPE without the engine on is like a motored speedboat moving with the waves without the engine on... Best ride ever!!! Although the bus was damn shaky then...

Originally posted by SMB228X:

Agree!!! SBS1000U hate bendy TO THE MAX and want all scrap!! Must not allow that to happen!!

For once I have to agree, but only the bolded part. 

Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

Well my friend.. I am not against bendies, but just want to point out that in your advantages only point 3 is valid: height restrictions.

1,2,7 - makes no difference. Take a bendy on 854 and a DD on 25. They follow the same route for some 15kms. You will notice when one follows the other, there is no difference in time between the two type of buses. If you get off the bendy, you will see the 25 DD right behind and vice versa. It is a MYTH that bendies are faster.

4 - why is DD bus not friendly for elders??? It does have a lower deck :)

6 - DDs have higher capacity than bendy buses. On a 854 after 110 pax, no one can enter the Habit, on 25 DD - pax go upto 125 pax.

5 - Useful on feeders. Another myth. See how well utilized the DDs are on 222, 291, 334. Anyway, I don't think you have gone to Woodlands to see the mess the number of bendies make at the interchange.

Bendies should continue to operate on routes such as 67, 180, 960, 969 and feeder routes under SMRT but long-haul CBD routes, city routes and intra town routes should be operated using DDs.

Buy 100 bendies, 300 DDs - should be good.

Actually I think I would prefer to have more bendies than double-deckers on SMRT, but again I do not mean I dislike double-deckers.

Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

Well my friend.. I am not against bendies, but just want to point out that in your advantages only point 3 is valid: height restrictions.

1,2,7 - makes no difference. Take a bendy on 854 and a DD on 25. They follow the same route for some 15kms. You will notice when one follows the other, there is no difference in time between the two type of buses. If you get off the bendy, you will see the 25 DD right behind and vice versa. It is a MYTH that bendies are faster.

4 - why is DD bus not friendly for elders??? It does have a lower deck :)

6 - DDs have higher capacity than bendy buses. On a 854 after 110 pax, no one can enter the Habit, on 25 DD - pax go upto 125 pax.

5 - Useful on feeders. Another myth. See how well utilized the DDs are on 222, 291, 334. Anyway, I don't think you have gone to Woodlands to see the mess the number of bendies make at the interchange.

Bendies should continue to operate on routes such as 67, 180, 960, 969 and feeder routes under SMRT but long-haul CBD routes, city routes and intra town routes should be operated using DDs.

Buy 100 bendies, 300 DDs - should be good.

You haven't take 800,804,806,811 and my 812..

You should try take 806, the best feeder service with good frequency with good buses..

Evening

Going tomorrow early for svc 325's first bus ride. Joyride will start at 6am and till unknown. I will be getting some service guides, including the elusive 115 and 195 guides probably.

Originally posted by TIB1257C:

Going tomorrow early for svc 325's first bus ride. Joyride will start at 6am and till unknown. I will be getting some service guides, including the elusive 115 and 195 guides probably.

There's a lot of guides at Boon Lay Int...

Originally posted by TIB1218R:

There's a lot of guides at Boon Lay Int...

Now the topic : Guides is famous

Originally posted by TIB1218R:

Evening

Good night 

Hi

Originally posted by TIB1218R:

Hi

Aww yeah gotta wake up tommorrow early for joyride 24/7