Singapore Buses Chatbox
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Originally posted by TIB1257C:
Aww yeah gotta wake up tommorrow early for joyride 24/7
Going to Yishun?
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Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
- 1. 80km/h(Effecient??? Burn more fuel, higher fuel costs.)
- Speeding way above 60km/h. If get into an accident, high death and injuries rates. Also very prone to overheating burnt bus. And I don't see them going above 65km/h most of the times, where they are already struggling on 65 to 70 km/h.
- As if like other buses cannot reach above 80km/h...
Just that they install speed limiters.
Always going above 60km/h already broke the traffic law, by right
vehicle should be impounded.
- 2. Better acceleration(So as not to hold up buses behind)
Better acceleration my foot.
Many of them are struggling just to
keep that kind of crazy accleration just to meet the tight
schedules. That why so many of them are run down now, hard to
maintain. Wrights, Citaros and O405s have even better and
smoother acceleration than bendies. In fact, the bendies here are
seriously overstrained just to keep in schedule. They are just not
suitable for our operational needs. Many buses can have good
acceleration, just that they are strictly enforced with speed
limiters.- 3. No height constraints
Not many routes have height constraints in Singapore and they can easily repaced by single deckers with good frequencies. At least more frequent buses than lousy frequencies just to fill up that bendy yet waste so much space on bus stops.
- 4. Elderly-friendly
Not all elderly likes to move all the way to the rear, most will prefer to sit in the front part.
- 5. Useful on feeders
A myth. Seriously double deckers can do the same job as well. From what I observed on 291 last week, people are also willingly to move uo as well, even it is just a feeder service. Goes the same for Bedok and Boon Lay feeders. It just takes time for people to adjust.
- 6. Higher capacity if commuters move to the rear
Problem is people don't like to move in the rear, BCs have to shout at people to move back. Same case of the double decker of telling people to move up. At least double decker is the lesser evil of the 2 which takes up much less space along the bus stop and do not delay other buses behind.
And it only takes less than 10 people more than a
double decker yet take up so much road space. Somemore frequencies
are improved and more bus services to ease loads, no need high
capacity bendies that hog the roads. So use double deckers
better.- 7. Faster boarding and alighting(So as to vacate the bus stop as quickly as possible)
Faster alighting, yes since it has a 3rd door. But if double deckers have 3rd doors as well, isn't it the same??? But double deckers are better with smaller road space it takes up.
And how much faster it is??? At most 1 to 2 mins but delay other buses behind by up to 10 mins.
Faster boarding definate a no. 8 mins to fill a double decker is better than 8 mins to fill a bendy because bendy blocks the path of other buses behind, while double decker don't block the path of other buses behind.
8. Takes up a lot of road space, in bus stops, bus interchanges, bus depots causing jams and queues and make the overall bus operations disruptive, messy and hard to organise.
Also costly because need more land space and
bus companies have to buy more expensive land just to park more of
such long buses. These money can be saved for more profits.9. Overheats easily. Yes and that is why so many are burnt down. Very disruptive to bus company because of their short of buses which are burnt down.
10. Bad at reverse turns, sharp turns and 3-point turns, may jacknife(no prob with u turns) U-turns, and sharp bends sometimes can mount kerbs, especially dangerous for standees.
11. High accident rates. Speeding, long bodies and higher chances in contact with other vehicles, swaying trailers on wet roads and rainy days.
12. Cut into many lanes when overtaking or turning right. Delay other buses and vehicles benind. Worst is in a CBD jam, waste a lot of road space when it cuts off many lanes.
13. Articulator is more complex to maintain and more costly to maintain as well, due to electronics and complex structures. Articulator rubber walls gets easily dirty and hard to clean and maintain. Hard to maintain overall as well. Look at how SMRT maintains most of them. They only be better during once in a blue moon refurnishments. SMRT can't be bother with them anyway.
14. Not suitable for smaller bus interchanges and depots for the future. Somemore these buses will only make things worse when the government wants to add more buses for better frequencies and more bus services. Imagine all bendies, how long will the queues be and how much delays it can give. Totally not in line with what the LTA wants for efficient bus transport.
In future, the population will be big,
but our land space is so small. Of course, moving up is the better
choice. Just like high rise HDB flats vs terranced houses.15. Many services, even with good frequencies, need high passengers loadings but yet cannot be deployed bacause limitations of parking spaces for limited number of bendies in depots and interchanges. These services loadings can be greatly improved if SMRT uses double deckers. This problem will be even worse when our population increases in future. SMRT should tackle this increasing loading problem using standard 12 m high capacity buses now or else in the future, their operations can't keep up with the increasing loadings but smaller interchanges and depots with fewer buses avaliable.
They should ditch bendies.Never trust this guy to make important desicions. He'll make the desicion based on his feelings.
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
Going to Yishun?
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Probably around 11am or 3pm since Yishun has no guides to offer :(
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Originally posted by dan474:
Never trust this guy to make important desicions. He'll make the desicion based on his feelings.
Though the *her* must be changed to *him*.
Bye guys, tomorrow's a big day. Bye! -
Originally posted by TIB1257C:
Though the *her* must be changed to *him*.
Bye guys, tomorrow's a big day. Bye!
Make sure get some rare extra guides for me ! Thanks Good luck -
Originally posted by TIB1257C:
Though the *her* must be changed to *him*.
Bye guys, tomorrow's a big day. Bye!Good Luck, Good Night..
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Originally posted by dan474:
Never trust this guy to make important desicions. He'll make the desicion based on his feelings.
Can't accept the truth and facts then just admit it.All I have said are based on my observations and feedbacks overheard from others.
I think you guys only want bendies because you people like them and so you want them. Only want bendies based on your preferences and feelings.
No need to throw sour grapes on others when you can't accept that you can make big decisions for the future because of your fantasies on these buses.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Wow. You seemed to really hate against bendies.
The gvmt bought the bendies for a reason. So just suck it up and stop whining like a little kid, weenie.
So u saying bendies have no advantages against DDs?! I can name a list. DDs are good and all I know that, but bendies have its own advantages and all as well.Your post above just described bendies as nothing but a useless junk, when it is NOT
If u can, go operate a bus company yourself, then you can see your favourite DDs everyday and dunnid to put up with bendies. But for now, SMRT is buying bendies, and I can tell bendies are to stay in Singapore in a certain amount. ;)
That was not even the govt wants. It was TIBS that wanted them so govt gave a green light then. But now the situation is so much different now. Country became more populated, more buses are needed for more services and better time frequencies, but bus stops, interchanges and depots have only limited spaces.How to put in bendies when we are going to have about 5000 buses on our roads, interchanges and depots in the next 10 years??? Govt won't want more jams and bus queues because of that and bendies can provide this source of problem easier.
I admit that they have 1 advantage which they have no stairs. But the cons outweight much more than the pros, compared to the double decker and single decker. It's better to operate those that give lesser troubles.
Please think and anaylse the situation before putting your interest which are already not relevant to the growing needs in future.
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ONCE AND FOR ALL JUST STOP THE FLAMEWAR!!!
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10 more days for 860!
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Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
Can't accept the truth and facts then just admit it.All I have said are based on my observations and feedbacks overheard from others.
I think you guys only want bendies because you people like them and so you want them. Only want bendies based on your preferences and feelings.
No need to throw sour grapes on others when you can't accept that you can make big decisions for the future because of your fantasies on these buses.
That was not even the govt wants. It was TIBS that wanted them so govt gave a green light then. But now the situation is so much different now. Country became more populated, more buses are needed for more services and better time frequencies, but bus stops, interchanges and depots have only limited spaces.How to put in bendies when we are going to have about 5000 buses on our roads, interchanges and depots in the next 10 years??? Govt won't want more jams and bus queues because of that and bendies can provide this source of problem easier.
I admit that they have 1 advantage which they have no stairs. But the cons outweight much more than the pros, compared to the double decker and single decker. It's better to operate those that give lesser troubles.
Please think and anaylse the situation before putting your interest which are already not relevant to the growing needs in future.
Wrong thread, this thread is meant for us to joke around and have fun, not to make debates.
And there is no need to criticize others just because we think differently from you...
Edited cos I dun wanna sound harsh.
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Originally posted by SBS8501U:
Wrong thread, this thread is meant for us to joke around and have fun, not to make debates.
And you don't have to criticize others just because we think differently from you. Please, change your attitude!
Summarize using one word is enough: Off-topic
Referring to SBS1000U
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LOL talking to yourself?
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May I say something?
1. Discussion- You can discuss, but not discuss until it turns into a flamewar.
2. Accepting Facts- We already accepted the facts, so be kind to us and don't make it worse and don't keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
3. Agreeing and Disagreeing- You may agree or disagree with someone, not to the extent of a flamewar.
Please always be gracious. Up till now, I have not been rude to anyone online or even resort to using vulgarities. I am telling this to you kindly so please be more gracious thank you. I may not be a moderator but I felt the urge to say this in my kindest, most simplest to understand tone ever.
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
LOL talking to yourself?
That's how TIB 501 D and SMB 28 G does
Haiz, TIB(spacing)501(spacing)D and SMB(spacing)28(spacing)G, a bit mah fan...
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10 more days for the amendment of 119 to Punggol Int!
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Originally posted by TIB1138M:
That's how TIB 501 D and SMB 28 G does
Haiz, TIB(spacing)501(spacing)D and SMB(spacing)28(spacing)G, a bit mah fan...
Why you put spacing?
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Hardcore fanboys and haters are hardcore.
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I did not intend for spacing in the first place.
Actually, the other person is the one who creates both TIB 501 D and SMB 28 G.
First, he agreed to share with me his account.
Some time after, to prevent misconfusion among us, we split. In the end he let me use TIB 501 D while he uses SMB 28 G(originally going to be SMB 295 B). In short, the other person is the real owner of the accounts, not me.
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Testing 123
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Wow. These days got a lot of new users joining the forum...
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
Wow. These days got a lot of new users joining the forum...
... 95% talking rubbish or adverts.. -
Originally posted by SBS 3010C:
... 95% talking rubbish or adverts..SBS6305H and SBS6301T, there's more.
Or should I say, more users joining the forum nowadays?
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Should invite more people come here..
This forum getting boring nowdays... -
Highbeamzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
Should invite more people come here..
This forum getting boring nowdays...Invite as many people to the fan club as possible.
Or maybe invite your mother since she prefers bendy over DD?
One more option, invite the older users back- Edd1, sv966(My cousin Lau Kai Guan), SBS9816E, ZYX2005, tintinspartan and willis_chong.