Bus services that need more improvement
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
106 should be transferred to SBST too. But other services should keep their bendies, like 169 and 969 which move at an incredibly fast pace. Put DDs on these services later they complain too slow with Batch 2B Wrights, like 161's case now...
Still, 190 is FREAKING MAD!!! Luckilly I took it at like 4pm on weekdays school holiday. Or else, I can't alight...
Yeah. 190 better to stay with SBST. As people prefers to sit and not stand for the entire journey, and with Bukit Panjang's super messy ''Jamception'' traffic, best for 190 to have full DD fleet and not bendies.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Yes. It has to change with times. With DTL coming, in 2017 I see 65 to become a full SD fleet, while now it is a full DD fleet, and I see 66 to be withdrawn.
There will be a huge number of rationalization changes for sure!!
I still don't think that in 2017 65 will become full SD fleet,maybe cut down by 50-70% becouse of DTL?
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Originally posted by SMB 28 G:
I still don't think that in 2017 65 will become full SD fleet,maybe cut down by 50-70% becouse of DTL?
I would laugh if 65 becomes full SD fleet. Totally ridiculous... Just let the Wrights, several Olympians(not too many) and B10TLs on 65 stay.
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Originally posted by TIB1257C:
Anyways, I've seen many MANY cases of 88 getting full. In fact, it has 2 main load points for PSR direction.
1. AMK MRT > AMK AVE 10
2. AMK MRT > BUANGKOK GREEN
For TPY direction,
1. SENGKANG > AMK MRT
2. BUANGKOK GREEN > AMK MRT.
The 1st one for PSR direction, I can see that 88 is ''looting'' away 265's load.
More and more people preferred taking 88 to get home at AMK AVE 10 instead of 265 because of it's high capacity DoubleDecks!88 has super high loading. It is one of the few routes where you can see standees on a DD even in the afternoon off-peak hours.
If you observe, people who board 88 at Toa Payoh, start alighting only from Bishan onwards.
High loading areas (PM Peak - Pasir Ris Direction):
Bishan MRT > AMK Ave 6
AMK MRT > Sengkang
(PM Peak - TP Direction)
Pasir Ris > Punggol Road
Buangkok Green > AMK MRT
Pretty much same as your analysis :)
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
I would laugh if 65 becomes full SD fleet. Totally ridiculous... Just let the Wrights, several Olympians(not too many) and B10TLs on 65 stay.
Bro - I doubt they will still ply DDs. The route is exactly parallel to DTL 3 from Tampines to Little India. I only hope they do not remove the route as a part of rationalization. I for one would take a 65 to DTL anyday :PBut I am sure they will chop the routes of 66, 67 or divert them. I know LTA plans to introduce new buses but those routes will be such that it does not mirror MRT.
Also in future we will need more routes and DDs in Marine Parade, Hougang, Sengkang, Yishun, Woodlands, CCK area and there will be need to connect CCK/WL better to Hougang / Sengkang with no MRT line planned to connect these areas.
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Originally posted by TIB1257C:
Yeah. 190 better to stay with SBST. As people prefers to sit and not stand for the entire journey, and with Bukit Panjang's super messy ''Jamception'' traffic, best for 190 to have full DD fleet and not bendies.
Totally agree. 106, 190 should be transferred to SBST as they are the perfect DD routes. Transfer 48, 66 to SMRT if needed as anyway DDs cannot be deployed on Dunearn road.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Totally agree. 106, 190 should be transferred to SBST as they are the perfect DD routes. Transfer 48, 66 to SMRT if needed as anyway DDs cannot be deployed on Dunearn road.
LOL if like that a lot of svcs need to transfer to SMRT... I'll list down all height restrictions.
Joo Chiat Pl/Rd
CGA
Siglap Rd
Dunearn Rd
Depot Rd
Henderson Rd
Telok Blangah Way
Upp Aljunied Rd
Sixth Ave
Lor Chuan
Sth Buona Vista Rd
Kallang Way
Ghim Moh(svc 92 area)
W'lands Rd
Upp Bt Timah Rd
In that case, ammend 195's route to not ply C'wealth Dr(let 32 ply there instead) and transfer it to SMRT and deploy bendies. Then ppl taking 195 won't whine anymore, since SBS999U did 195 before.
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Point is transfer 190, 106 to SBST. They are the best routes for DDs. Such a pity that they are with SMRT.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Point is transfer 190, 106 to SBST. They are the best routes for DDs. Such a pity that they are with SMRT.
I agree that 190 and 106 should have DD, but if you deploy a WEG2 Batch 2B on 169 and 969, look at the number of people who will whine because of driver driving at 40km/h on TPE and SLE...
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
I agree that 190 and 106 should have DD, but if you deploy a WEG2 Batch 2B on 169 and 969, look at the number of people who will whine because of driver driving at 40km/h on TPE and SLE...
Another naive comment. If the time schedule is tight, BCs will still drive at higher speeds but safe enough to meet the schedule.Originally posted by TIB 501 D:LOL if like that a lot of svcs need to transfer to SMRT... I'll list down all height restrictions.
Joo Chiat Pl/Rd
CGA
Siglap Rd
Dunearn Rd
Depot Rd
Henderson Rd
Telok Blangah Way
Upp Aljunied Rd
Sixth Ave
Lor Chuan
Sth Buona Vista Rd
Kallang Way
Ghim Moh(svc 92 area)
W'lands Rd
Upp Bt Timah Rd
In that case, ammend 195's route to not ply C'wealth Dr(let 32 ply there instead) and transfer it to SMRT and deploy bendies. Then ppl taking 195 won't whine anymore, since SBS999U did 195 before.
I prefer SBST on 195. At least the frequency is still better under SBST. Many roads along 195 route is narrow. Use what bendies??? That would be even worse.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Yes. It has to change with times. With DTL coming, in 2017 I see 65 to become a full SD fleet, while now it is a full DD fleet, and I see 66 to be withdrawn.
There will be a huge number of rationalization changes for sure!!
Please take into account that the population will continue to increase in future. DTL is to reduce the burden of the current bus routes, but these bus routes will again reduce the burden of DTL in future when it gets overcrowded.Originally posted by TIB 501 D:106 should be transferred to SBST too. But other services should keep their bendies, like 169 and 969 which move at an incredibly fast pace. Put DDs on these services later they complain too slow with Batch 2B Wrights, like 161's case now...
Still, 190 is FREAKING MAD!!! Luckilly I took it at like 4pm on weekdays school holiday. Or else, I can't alight...
Please la, 161 becomes slower because of the time scheduling. Looks like you are so suaku. Never take a DD at 65km/h before.I hope to see DDs on 169 once again.
Originally posted by SBS8676Z:371 is now known as 163M
Prefer to be re-named as 371 instead. -
service 67 is FAR too important as a trunk and as a parallel svc to the MRT to be withdrawn... have u ever seen its loads? how many of its current passengers will go over to the DTL (assuming LTA lets 67 stay as a test and not withdraw it the day DTL is fully launched)?
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I'm more inclined to think 67's demand will plunge... Esp more so the corridor crowd. The CCK heading crowd wouldn't be affected, but it warrants fleet reduction onto 67.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
I’m more inclined to think 67’s demand will plunge…
Esp more so the corridor crowd. The CCK heading crowd wouldn’t be affected, but it warrants fleet reduction onto 67.
Totally agree
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
I would laugh if 65 becomes full SD fleet. Totally ridiculous... Just let the Wrights, several Olympians(not too many) and B10TLs on 65 stay.
Ikr,some people,like myself prefer to travel by bus to traveling ny rail. Let the DDs stay!
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Originally posted by sbst275:
I’m more inclined to think 67’s demand will plunge…
Esp more so the corridor crowd. The CCK heading crowd wouldn’t be affected, but it warrants fleet reduction onto 67.
existing services are likely to cut bus and cut capacity. just like what CCL did to 16 22 24 62 70 80 91 95 200 etc...
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maybe 133 lose ridership because of dtl
worse still get deregistered
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Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
Another naive comment. If the time schedule is tight, BCs will still drive at higher speeds but safe enough to meet the schedule.
I prefer SBST on 195. At least the frequency is still better under SBST. Many roads along 195 route is narrow. Use what bendies??? That would be even worse.
Please take into account that the population will continue to increase in future. DTL is to reduce the burden of the current bus routes, but these bus routes will again reduce the burden of DTL in future when it gets overcrowded.
Please la, 161 becomes slower because of the time scheduling. Looks like you are so suaku. Never take a DD at 65km/h before.I hope to see DDs on 169 once again.
Prefer to be re-named as 371 instead.original by tib1218r
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Originally posted by SBS3174M:
maybe 133 lose ridership because of dtl
worse still get deregistered
133 almost get cut when NEL opened..
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Originally posted by sbst275:
I’m more inclined to think 67’s demand will plunge…
Esp more so the corridor crowd. The CCK heading crowd wouldn’t be affected, but it warrants fleet reduction onto 67.
can remove some full day bendies, reduce space hogging at main roads too.
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Originally posted by SBS3174M:
maybe 133 lose ridership because of dtl
worse still get deregistered
I doubt it would affect 133 much. The routes I am concerned off are 65, 66 and 67. In terms of capacity, it could affect 8, 15, 22, 23, 58, 59, 60.133 plies AMK >> Serangoon >> Lavendar >> Bugis, so it mostly covers the NSL, NEL, EWL and there is not much overlap with DTL unless for a stop at Bendemeer and Bugis. If at all, it will be used as a feeder among all the lines it connects, and its capacity might even be required to increase.
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Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
Another naive comment. If the time schedule is tight, BCs will still drive at higher speeds but safe enough to meet the schedule.
I prefer SBST on 195. At least the frequency is still better under SBST. Many roads along 195 route is narrow. Use what bendies??? That would be even worse.
Please take into account that the population will continue to increase in future. DTL is to reduce the burden of the current bus routes, but these bus routes will again reduce the burden of DTL in future when it gets overcrowded.
Please la, 161 becomes slower because of the time scheduling. Looks like you are so suaku. Never take a DD at 65km/h before.I hope to see DDs on 169 once again.
Prefer to be re-named as 371 instead.SOME BCs,not all,and if we haven't taken DD at 65 km/h before then it's rare,not many DDs can reach that speed
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Originally posted by SMB 28 G:
SOME BCs,not all,and if we haven't taken DD at 65 km/h before then it's rare,not many DDs can reach that speed
So far the fastest is the Leylands. I have NEVER seen Batch 2B Wright going above 60km/h before. Speed limit should be set to 70km/h and those people say speed control speed control whatever taiji...
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Originally posted by SMB 28 G:
SOME BCs,not all,and if we haven't taken DD at 65 km/h before then it's rare,not many DDs can reach that speed
I took one on 30, he chiong at Keppel Rd and I almost fell off my seat when he turning into Pasir Panjang Rd
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Originally posted by TIB1257C:
I took one on 30, he chiong at Keppel Rd and I almost fell off my seat when he turning into Pasir Panjang Rd
Izit a Batch 1 ZF Wright? P.S. What's the rego?
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
Izit a Batch 1 ZF Wright? P.S. What's the rego?
Yeap. SBS7652Z.