LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP)
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Wondering when would the new Wdl <> CBD svc be out :o
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Wondering when would the new Wdl <> CBD svc be out :o
as well as new service 20. i cant wait haha -
3052 - 169
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3051T 2nd day 190
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Wondering when would the new Wdl <> CBD svc be out :o
Will be another disappointment if 2 buses in the morning and 2 in the evening like 982E and 850E.
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Originally posted by phillipC:
Will be another disappointment if 2 buses in the morning and 2 in the evening like 982E and 850E.
850E got 3rd bus le
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Originally posted by SMB 133K <3:
850E got 3rd bus le
SMB 3044PActually my point is running a new route with 2-3 buses trips in the morning and evening is no go. Does not really benefit many people. Before LTA take over as the Central Bus Planner, we can see SBST introduced so many full day bus routes (Sv 48, 52, 59, 57 etc). Since LTA takes over, these 2-3 trips routes are being so common and the authority dare to say given commuter more choices! Jesus Christ! Last time private operator do this, they accused them as cherry pickings. nOw they are doing it openly and called it BSEP.
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Originally posted by phillipC:
Actually my point is running a new route with 2-3 buses trips in the morning and evening is no go. Does not really benefit many people. Before LTA take over as the Central Bus Planner, we can see SBST introduced so many full day bus routes (Sv 48, 52, 59, 57 etc). Since LTA takes over, these 2-3 trips routes are being so common and the authority dare to say given commuter more choices! Jesus Christ! Last time private operator do this, they accused them as cherry pickings. nOw they are doing it openly and called it BSEP.
To be frank, the govt. used the funds for something useless also~ Anyway, long term effect confirm they benefit~ Which is why you don't really see them channelling to trains that much.
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To be frank, the govt. used the funds for something useless also~ Anyway, long term effect confirm they benefit~ Which is why you don't really see them channelling to trains that much.
Please tell me that you are joking, and not incredibly stupid....or horrifically ill-informed.
All these while train has been the one that has been heavily subsidised while bus got 0. THIS is a major reason why our bus operations nearly ALWAYS bleeds money when operators buy new buses. Where did you get the idea that trains do not get funds?? I actually LOLed when I read this. => Which is why you don't really see them channelling to trains that much.
When finally bus gets the help that it badly needs, you say that the money was wasted?? What kind of !!! is this, I ask?
And with the central planning in place, and especially with the distance-based fare, it is so much easier to finally make better use of our bus services.
I find that bus service in general, at least for SBST side, has improved by quite a significant margin. If you don't see any improvement, either you are blind.......or you live in SMRT area (yeah, you saying that WRI jams are fine comes to mind).
Anyway, long term effect confirm they benefit~ => Huh??? Where did this even come from? Not everything has to do with politics you know.
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Originally posted by phillipC:
Actually my point is running a new route with 2-3 buses trips in the morning and evening is no go. Does not really benefit many people. Before LTA take over as the Central Bus Planner, we can see SBST introduced so many full day bus routes (Sv 48, 52, 59, 57 etc). Since LTA takes over, these 2-3 trips routes are being so common and the authority dare to say given commuter more choices! Jesus Christ! Last time private operator do this, they accused them as cherry pickings. nOw they are doing it openly and called it BSEP.
I'm sorry?
Then 116, 50, 120, and 4 are what?
Limo service?
The former 2 services have indeed improved my access to places that I need to go from time to time.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Please tell me that you are joking, and not incredibly stupid....or horrifically ill-informed.
All these while train has been the one that has been heavily subsidised while bus got 0. THIS is a major reason why our bus operations nearly ALWAYS bleeds money when operators buy new buses. Where did you get the idea that trains do not get funds?? I actually LOLed when I read this. => Which is why you don't really see them channelling to trains that much.
When finally bus gets the help that it badly needs, you say that the money was wasted?? What kind of !!! is this, I ask?
And with the central planning in place, and especially with the distance-based fare, it is so much easier to finally make better use of our bus services.
I find that bus service in general, at least for SBST side, has improved by quite a significant margin. If you don't see any improvement, either you are blind.......or you live in SMRT area (yeah, you saying that WRI jams are fine comes to mind).
Anyway, long term effect confirm they benefit~ => Huh??? Where did this even come from? Not everything has to do with politics you know.
chill. different people have different views.
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Originally posted by SMB 133K <3:
chill. different people have different views.
Please do not mistake opinion for facts.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Please do not mistake opinion for facts.
Ok whatever lol
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The loading on MRT in the morning / evening peak hour is crazy even with 2-3 min frequency. CCL is the only line that is still able to cope with the load. Look at the red, green or purple line in peak hours. You have to squeeze yourself in.
People take MRT for 1-2 stops. This behaviour should change. They do not realize that instead of taking MRT, buses can be quicker. MRT is useful for longer distances. We need bus routes in parallel to MRT with less than 10 min frequency. This way for shorter distance, people will move to buses, rather than walk 500 mts within MRT, which people hardly calculate in their travel time.
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I believe SBST has done a fabulous job with its bus services in the past 1 year. Major service upgrades to so many routes. SMRT on the other hand is trying but cannot because it hasn't got more high capacity buses to deploy.
So it is just passing bendies around. High time it changes its approach. In a city like Singapore, service can profit with more high capacity buses at a frequency of 6-7 minutes rather than just SDs with frequency of 5 mins. You save on fuel, driver cost, operations everything.
SMRT needs some good talent to manage its operations. Seriously!!
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All full day services introduced are for SBST - 4, 50, 116, 120 and only 860 for SMRT. Why? I think coz SMRT cannot handle more services even if it is under BSEP.
I don't understand why 8 buses for 120, 7 buses for 116 but just 6 buses for 860, when the loading on 860 is much much higher than 116 and 120. Also, 116, 120 have many services in parallel. 860 on its way to Khatib is the only service, though on the return it has company of 800.
The peak hour loading can be crazy on 860, yet no improvement. It falls under SMRT area that's why.
SMRT needs to introduce more services in Woodlands. Can it manage? The loading on services in Woodlands is crazy high, same for Yishun and CCK. If you see the queues on any of these interchanges and the loading in the buses, all the feeders here are packed like sardines, compared to SBST area, where with continuous bus addition, the loading has been adjusted.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
I'm sorry?
Then 116, 50, 120, and 4 are what?
Limo service?
The former 2 services have indeed improved my access to places that I need to go from time to time.
I feel LTA/SBST should have done a better job with designing the bus routes though.
According to me 4 is the best, followed with 50. The routing of 116 and 120 is to some extent poor. These services do not have good loading even in peak hours.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Please tell me that you are joking, and not incredibly stupid....or horrifically ill-informed.
All these while train has been the one that has been heavily subsidised while bus got 0. THIS is a major reason why our bus operations nearly ALWAYS bleeds money when operators buy new buses. Where did you get the idea that trains do not get funds?? I actually LOLed when I read this. => Which is why you don't really see them channelling to trains that much.
When finally bus gets the help that it badly needs, you say that the money was wasted?? What kind of !!! is this, I ask?
And with the central planning in place, and especially with the distance-based fare, it is so much easier to finally make better use of our bus services.
I find that bus service in general, at least for SBST side, has improved by quite a significant margin. If you don't see any improvement, either you are blind.......or you live in SMRT area (yeah, you saying that WRI jams are fine comes to mind).
Anyway, long term effect confirm they benefit~ => Huh??? Where did this even come from? Not everything has to do with politics you know.
"Channelling to trains that MUCH" doesn't mean that trains DO NOT get funds? MUCH =/= NOTHING
Hello, certain BSEP improvements wasn't even necessary, and it's minor few. Further more, I didn't even state which operators, and you don't even ask
, anyhow assumed again? WOW~ You should see services 178/925. With or without the BSEP, they still have the almost the same frequency, not even necessary. Your last sentences seriously made me know that you don't even think
Do you think the govt. plan this idea out and ended up not benefitting in the end? -.-" Not criticising them but seriously, who will give free stuff w/o benefitting? And come on..you should seriously compare Woodlands Interchange jam with other country first before talk cock here, or even those highway jams. Do you even see it often now? If you have observed, the flow is much smoother already, compared to the past.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
All full day services introduced are for SBST - 4, 50, 116, 120 and only 860 for SMRT. Why? I think coz SMRT cannot handle more services even if it is under BSEP.
I don't understand why 8 buses for 120, 7 buses for 116 but just 6 buses for 860, when the loading on 860 is much much higher than 116 and 120. Also, 116, 120 have many services in parallel. 860 on its way to Khatib is the only service, though on the return it has company of 800.
The peak hour loading can be crazy on 860, yet no improvement. It falls under SMRT area that's why.
SMRT needs to introduce more services in Woodlands. Can it manage? The loading on services in Woodlands is crazy high, same for Yishun and CCK. If you see the queues on any of these interchanges and the loading in the buses, all the feeders here are packed like sardines, compared to SBST area, where with continuous bus addition, the loading has been adjusted.
No choice, SMRT operations are like that~ They don't really plan out a good strategy to tackle the issue, even with SDs.
They also placed at wrong timing. One good example is 903, BSEP bus always arrive at 7am for the last stop, the front/back bus is not even close to it, like as if the BSEP bus is replacing an AP slot. So what's the point of BSEP buses to them then? They should learn how svc168 tackle the issue-by having 2 DDs closely attached to the front of 6316B and 1 at the back. The load wise is much lesser and it shows out the way of how BSEP buses are for.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
All full day services introduced are for SBST - 4, 50, 116, 120 and only 860 for SMRT. Why? I think coz SMRT cannot handle more services even if it is under BSEP.
I don't understand why 8 buses for 120, 7 buses for 116 but just 6 buses for 860, when the loading on 860 is much much higher than 116 and 120. Also, 116, 120 have many services in parallel. 860 on its way to Khatib is the only service, though on the return it has company of 800.
The peak hour loading can be crazy on 860, yet no improvement. It falls under SMRT area that's why.
SMRT needs to introduce more services in Woodlands. Can it manage? The loading on services in Woodlands is crazy high, same for Yishun and CCK. If you see the queues on any of these interchanges and the loading in the buses, all the feeders here are packed like sardines, compared to SBST area, where with continuous bus addition, the loading has been adjusted.
For Woodlands, it would be best if the current interchange is improvised to link with a new section of Woodlands Reg. Int. if ever planned to build under new coming Woodlands Town Hub... Then at the current new W'lands Xchange where the Pepper Lunch is, the walkway where the tall metal artwork is, can be extended to the new extended section interchange.... Thats my opinion plan...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I feel LTA/SBST should have done a better job with designing the bus routes though.
According to me 4 is the best, followed with 50. The routing of 116 and 120 is to some extent poor. These services do not have good loading even in peak hours.
Speaking about service 116,took SBS 6326Y towards Hougang Central during the morning peak hours just now and i counted about approximately 40 people inside the bus.
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Originally posted by SBS 6238T:
Speaking about service 116,took SBS 6326Y towards Hougang Central during the morning peak hours just now and i counted about approximately 40 people inside the bus.
Got one stop a lot of people boarded. Somewhere where got 73. Should have just alighted from 73 earlier.
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178, 925... mmm... Woodlands Int based bus svs.. does it ring a bell...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
All full day services introduced are for SBST - 4, 50, 116, 120 and only 860 for SMRT. Why? I think coz SMRT cannot handle more services even if it is under BSEP.
I don't understand why 8 buses for 120, 7 buses for 116 but just 6 buses for 860, when the loading on 860 is much much higher than 116 and 120. Also, 116, 120 have many services in parallel. 860 on its way to Khatib is the only service, though on the return it has company of 800.
The peak hour loading can be crazy on 860, yet no improvement. It falls under SMRT area that's why.
SMRT needs to introduce more services in Woodlands. Can it manage? The loading on services in Woodlands is crazy high, same for Yishun and CCK. If you see the queues on any of these interchanges and the loading in the buses, all the feeders here are packed like sardines, compared to SBST area, where with continuous bus addition, the loading has been adjusted.
860 had a 7th bus
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at around 9-10am
860 is full (towards KTB)
when it return to YIS, it's empty