Originally posted by SMB128B:You sure? What about 851 then?
Even 167 for that matter right. I see diverting 176 via Tehlok Blangah Heights as the best option.
And if you do not want to divert 176, can still scrap sv 120 coz people have sv 124 to go to Harbourfront and can take both NEL and CCL from there.
Originally posted by Gus.chong:This is the cause of negligence on their part...the service is introduced 5 months ago and if it is a normal situation, I don't see why they shouldn't change the route of the service now or even earlier.
actually 120 can auctually can be rerouted to ply Rumah Tinggi via redhill mrt(no direct link from rumah tinggi to redhill mrt), redhill estate, bukit merah central, telok blangah heights area, telok blangah mrt... you see the crowd on rt.63 near redhill area, you will know
Acx
Originally posted by SMB128B:You sure? What about 851 then?
851 will not be amended except if it is within YIS boundaries. After all, 854 isn't allowed to enter Chai Chee estate even though it is better for that area to have direct links with KEM MRT.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:And if you do not want to divert 176, can still scrap sv 120 coz people have sv 124 to go to Harbourfront and can take both NEL and CCL from there.
How about 120 start from MRC and ply 195 route to Lower Delta, then its own route to Telok Blangah? 195 start from NBR then follow its original route towards C'wealth MRT after Lower Delta.
Before Svc 120 was started, many suggestions and feedback were given to the authorities such as amending Svc 273 route as this service typically runs on empty or almost empty back towards the interchange in the evening after block 50 Telok Blangah Drive (Utilization can be low at times during the day too with long frequency). This is to leverage on the current resource that they have, at most giving an additional bus as I do not think that the estate warrants a 3rd bus service. Suggestions were given to adopt the system used in St Michael's estate using different color plates for the one way Telok Blangah Street 32. They did not want to listen as they cited it is inconveniencing the current commuters, increasing bus fares, and they are not using the current different color plate system any more. They said they had collected data that svc 120 is a viable solution to transportation woes in this estate, even talking to the CCC which many residents did not even receive any invitations to provide feedback. In the end, had to wait out for more than 1 year to have the new service 120 as they said it takes time to hire new bus drivers, which in my view, they may not need to hire so many if they had just leveraged on current service. I believe this could be a populist approach but being a long time resident in this estate, and a good citizen, my heart pains whenever I see Svc 120 running on empty as it costs money to run this service, tax payers' money.
Anyone saw SMB3074C on service?
Originally posted by Acx1688:actually 120 can auctually can be rerouted to ply Rumah Tinggi via redhill mrt(no direct link from rumah tinggi to redhill mrt), redhill estate, bukit merah central, telok blangah heights area, telok blangah mrt... you see the crowd on rt.63 near redhill area, you will know
Acx
If you see my post in route suggestions a month ago, i have also suggested this route for sv 120.
Kent Ridge -- West Coast Highway -- Pasir Panjang Road -- Tehlok Blangah Road -- Tehlok Blangah st 32 -- Tehlok Blangah Heights -- Henderson Road -- Bukit Merah Central -- Redhill Close -- Rummi Tunggi -- Redhill MRT -- Margaret Drive -- Commonwealth Ave -- Tanglin Halt Road (loop here).
This route will definitely find a good patronage, and be successful. But is LTA listening?
Originally posted by iveco:How about 120 start from MRC and ply 195 route to Lower Delta, then its own route to Telok Blangah? 195 start from NBR then follow its original route towards C'wealth MRT after Lower Delta.
195 is a popular route - doing that could inconvenience a lot of people. 120 could follow the route above that I am suggesting as it connects areas in Redhill, Tanglin Halt, Margaret Dr and Tehlok Blangah where there is no or just 1 alternative service.
If they want to keep 120 with its current routing, I suggest they just scrap the route totally. Waste of resources.
Originally posted by CSS608:Before Svc 120 was started, many suggestions and feedback were given to the authorities such as amending Svc 273 route as this service typically runs on empty or almost empty back towards the interchange in the evening after block 50 Telok Blangah Drive (Utilization can be low at times during the day too with long frequency). This is to leverage on the current resource that they have, at most giving an additional bus as I do not think that the estate warrants a 3rd bus service. Suggestions were given to adopt the system used in St Michael's estate using different color plates for the one way Telok Blangah Street 32. They did not want to listen as they cited it is inconveniencing the current commuters, increasing bus fares, and they are not using the current different color plate system any more. They said they had collected data that svc 120 is a viable solution to transportation woes in this estate, even talking to the CCC which many residents did not even receive any invitations to provide feedback. In the end, had to wait out for more than 1 year to have the new service 120 as they said it takes time to hire new bus drivers, which in my view, they may not need to hire so many if they had just leveraged on current service. I believe this could be a populist approach but being a long time resident in this estate, and a good citizen, my heart pains whenever I see Svc 120 running on empty as it costs money to run this service, tax payers' money.
It would have been good to just extend 273 to loop at Labrador MRT by adding 1 bus - would have served the purpose of 120 and saved 7 buses / BCs / fuel - all resources.
You live in the estate and you see the bus empty there. I see it with less than 5 pax turning on Alexandra road. BMR - NBR terminal also not more than 5-6 pax. Such a waste.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:It would have been good to just extend 273 to loop at Labrador MRT by adding 1 bus - would have served the purpose of 120 and saved 7 buses / BCs / fuel - all resources.
You live in the estate and you see the bus empty there. I see it with less than 5 pax turning on Alexandra road. BMR - NBR terminal also not more than 5-6 pax. Such a waste.
They already added 6309Y in November 2012 iirc, but again 1 more bus will be good.
Originally posted by TIB 585L:Anyone saw SMB3074C on service?
on 61 yesterday.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:It would have been good to just extend 273 to loop at Labrador MRT by adding 1 bus - would have served the purpose of 120 and saved 7 buses / BCs / fuel - all resources.
You live in the estate and you see the bus empty there. I see it with less than 5 pax turning on Alexandra road. BMR - NBR terminal also not more than 5-6 pax. Such a waste.
I agree with you about service 120. LTA and PTO should revise the route again. The bus is totally empty during off peak and less than 10 pax on the bus during peak hours. That is not a good sign. We want 120 to be utilized but the problem is LTA and the PTO did not plan the route properly,that's why they need to amend the route. Totally waste of resources as what've you mentioned on your post. It's already 5 months since 120 has been launched but yet,the loading is unacceptable and not even up to standard. Do you realised that the housing estate that 120 route ply is a low quality housing estate area. Telok Blangah and Bukit Merah,is one examples of low quality housing estate area that have less people living around the estate area. And I also pity the drivers, driving an empty bus.
EIGHT buses somemore.
120 doesn't need that much buses. It can operate on 1 bus. Or re-route the entire svc and make it prove it DESERVES eight buses.
Originally posted by SBS7557R:They already added 6309Y in November 2012 iirc, but again 1 more bus will be good.
They can add 1 more bus only if they are scrapping 120 and extending 273 to Labrador MRT as it can loop here.
Originally posted by SBS8710H:I've shared a map with you called Service 273:http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=203111895306557078093.0004e74423180d9a53743Bukit Merah-Mei Ling St. Takes over 1/2 fleet from 120
Honestly, this is not needed. 273 can just loop at Labrador MRT - does not need to go all the way to Mei Ling. It will have the same kind of loading like 120.
Originally posted by SBS 6238T:I agree with you about service 120. LTA and PTO should revise the route again. The bus is totally empty during off peak and less than 10 pax on the bus during peak hours. That is not a good sign. We want 120 to be utilized but the problem is LTA and the PTO did not plan the route properly,that's why they need to amend the route. Totally waste of resources as what've you mentioned on your post. It's already 5 months since 120 has been launched but yet,the loading is unacceptable and not even up to standard. Do you realised that the housing estate that 120 route ply is a low quality housing estate area. Telok Blangah and Bukit Merah,is one examples of low quality housing estate area that have less people living around the estate area. And I also pity the drivers, driving an empty bus.
Everything else understood, what do you mean by low quality housing area?
Originally posted by SBS 6238T:I agree with you about service 120. LTA and PTO should revise the route again. The bus is totally empty during off peak and less than 10 pax on the bus during peak hours. That is not a good sign. We want 120 to be utilized but the problem is LTA and the PTO did not plan the route properly,that's why they need to amend the route. Totally waste of resources as what've you mentioned on your post. It's already 5 months since 120 has been launched but yet,the loading is unacceptable and not even up to standard. Do you realised that the housing estate that 120 route ply is a low quality housing estate area. Telok Blangah and Bukit Merah,is one examples of low quality housing estate area that have less people living around the estate area. And I also pity the drivers, driving an empty bus.
I don't think LTA and PTO are very good at planning routes. Some of us here can give better suggestions. For instance, 116 could have been planned better. 141 for sure. This route connects so many MRT yet the loading is not that great. They decided to terminate at Lor 1 which is really stupid decision. The loading for 141 is more between Pei Koi Estate and Toa Payoh as it is exclusive to this area. Had they extended the route there would have been more loading.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Everything else understood, what do you mean by low quality housing area?
What I meant was minority of Singaporeans live at Bukit Merah and Telok Blangah housing estate area. This housing estate area are not that popular like Tampines and Bedok. If it is not popular,why they create a new service? Futhermore,there are no shopping mall or centre around the estate,so why they need to create 120 when there are services 273 and 124 that can handle the loading and also connects to shopping centre or mall, I don't understand why LTA and PTO never plan the route properly
I believe SBS6238T meant low volume or low density housing.
Originally posted by SBS 6238T:What I meant was minority of Singaporeans live at Bukit Merah and Telok Blangah housing estate area. This housing estate area are not that popular like Tampines and Bedok. If it is not popular,why they create a new service? Futhermore,there are no shopping mall or centre around the estate,so why they need to create 120 when there are services 273 and 124 that can handle the loading and also connects to shopping centre or mall, I don't understand why LTA and PTO never plan the route properly
Yes you are right. The density is not that high and when they were extending 124 in the first place, there was no need for 120. 124 makes a lot more sense as it gives you connection to both CCL / NEL / Malls. Tehlok Blangah MRT has nothing but CCL for which people can go to HF and take bus or take 176 to Henderson Road. There was no need for a new bus. The routing was faulty in the first place.
they could have just amend 124, no need to screw the system any further.
Originally posted by SMB145B:they could have just amend 124, no need to screw the system any further.
Which they correctly did and then added 120 when it was not needed.
I wonder if 120 gonna get withdrawn one day just like how they withdraw 68 in the past due to low demand