SMRT drivers' strike
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Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
that's why i am never happy with those foreign labor (esp prshits0 striking. they got no brinaas. anyhow strike. gahmen see the strike not seeely down backfire they waiting for any chance to giv silly excuses for hike only.to strike effectively and swee swee, the strikers have to be smart and need better coordination, so that the cause is not to casue public discomfort and disruption, and at the same time get what they want without gahmen givin excuse for hikes.
thse prs dont care about the economy or futre shit lifes of sgrena s and the aftermath at all, they oinoyl care for themselves!
Dude, I understand your frustrations but we can't totally blame the foreign workers. Somehow they had also become the victims of this govt policy of "cheap and good" which is as good as cheap labour, modern slavery (whichever terms you put it), after Singaporeans have given a taste of it years back. Everyone works to earn more money, not to be cheap labour forever. Obviously you can see SMRT Corp is at total fault and the govt make use of this chance to exploit Singaporeans again.
That's why don't totally depend on public services, like public transport. If you can afford your own transport, then go for it. No need to go for such frustration every year, no need to hung on your dear life on relying on just public transport everyday.
Your last move: Vote them out in the next GE.
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own transport is no better. ERP, road tax, COE.
even angmoh expats hate ERP i tell you.
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Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
own transport is no better. ERP, road tax, COE.
even angmoh expats hate ERP i tell you.
But you have your own flexibility to go wherever you want. You can have a better bonding with your family in your car. You have your own privacy, and privacy with your family and friends.ERP, COE are the problems brought in by your own govt. They give us more problems because of the million dollar salaries and their desire to increase the population where most Singaporeans don't. Just know what you want to do in the next GE.
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Another great example is our dearest current President. Talk, but no action.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Dude, I understand your frustrations but we can't totally blame the foreign workers. Somehow they had also become the victims of this govt policy of "cheap and good" which is as good as cheap labour, modern slavery (whichever terms you put it), after Singaporeans have given a taste of it years back. Everyone works to earn more money, not to be cheap labour forever. Obviously you can see SMRT Corp is at total fault and the govt make use of this chance to exploit Singaporeans again.
That's why don't totally depend on public services, like public transport. If you can afford your own transport, then go for it. No need to go for such frustration every year, no need to hung on your dear life on relying on just public transport everyday.
Your last move: Vote them out in the next GE.
No offence, you're either naive or either smoking pot to think that voting "opposition" will cause the many malaise and problems in Singapore to go away.
What Singapore needs is a remaking of its economic policy for a more sustainable one. That means moving away from the cheap labour mentality. We must be prepared then to see the cost of living increase, of course wages will too in proportion to the cost living. But there will be some shocks/repercussions to the economy for a while if we chart a different course. Some businesses might leave or fold. We need other ways to win businesses back - quality labour/automation to enhance productivity, lower corporate tax and lower contribution to CFP conversely increase in personal tax. We won't be able to have the cake and eat it too. There's no such thing as having higher wages without suffering from the higher cost of living increase.
And that requires a mindset change on our part to accept a little pain for long term benefit.
That said, I'll vote for the party who has the guts to remake the Singapore economy to make it sustainable while minimising the shocks. This is what you should be looking out for - the policies the party brings to the table - its implications and not based on the rhetoric - we want to check/balance the ruling party - not voting other parties just to spite the other. That's irrational voting. To me that will cause more harm than having any party opposition or not, remake our economy.
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Originally posted by Zilchster:
No offence, you're either naive or either smoking pot to think that voting "opposition" will cause the many malaise and problems in Singapore to go away.
What Singapore needs is a remaking of its economic policy for a more sustainable one. That means moving away from the cheap labour mentality. We must be prepared then to see the cost of living increase, of course wages will too in proportion to the cost living. But there will be some shocks/repercussions to the economy for a while if we chart a different course. Some businesses might leave or fold. We need other ways to win businesses back - quality labour/automation to enhance productivity, lower corporate tax and lower contribution to CFP conversely increase in personal tax. We won't be able to have the cake and eat it too. There's no such thing as having higher wages without suffering from the higher cost of living increase.
And that requires a mindset change on our part to accept a little pain for long term benefit.
That said, I'll vote for the party who has the guts to remake the Singapore economy to make it sustainable while minimising the shocks. This is what you should be looking out for - the policies the party brings to the table - its implications and not based on the rhetoric - we want to check/balance the ruling party - not voting other parties just to spite the other. That's irrational voting. To me that will cause more harm than having any party opposition or not, remake our economy.
Voting for opposition does not mean all the problems will go away, that's what I agree. However by allowing more opposition seats into the parliament, at least the ruling party will be kept in check on what they are doing, serving the people or for their own purposes.
The ruling party has already been out of touch with its citizens and the country. And more people are unhappy and questioning the ruling party's reasons for many problems surfaced. However, what kind of explainations do we see all the time? All kinds of twisting of words from one side to another side, saying one thing but doing another, unlogical and unthinkable silly logics that gives them whichever possible paths to explain their way out to lie to Singaporeans. The trust is fading.
It takes 2 hands to clap. If the govt has lost touch with its citizens, and the citizens are losing faith with them, is the society as a whole still gearing towards a future?
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We all just love it when public transport breaks down and we have to fight very hard just to get into the mrt carriage every day.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
After all these episode, I (and many Singaporeans) believe that SMRT is not capable of operating public buses at all. I seriously hope that SBST will take over all of SMRTB public bus operations in years to come.
All these years after takeover from TIBS, SMRTB has shown its incapability of operating a decent bus service to Singaporeans and its continuous committment of dragging and denying problems again and again instead of stepping up and doing improvements. Even after the first internal main arguement which almost turned out to be major strike many years back (which was even when there aren't many PRC BCs), SMRT refused to learn from its lessons and continue its bad policies in its HR policies, workers' treatment, bus operations management and schedulings and service and fleet management and maintanance.
The problems inside the company, e.g. poor management overall, poorly maintained and dirty bus fleet, poorly planned schedules, slow in improvements, messy fleet and deployments, poor workers relationships with 2 major strikes, delays with long bus queues and erratic frequencies, terrible customer and PR services, overcrowded bus depots and space constraints in parking of buses, and worst of all, never make profits and always in the red year after year. SMRT should sell off it bus division to SBST, its cab division to TransCab and focus its resources and time entirely on its already problematic rail operations.
I am also disgusted by how SMRTB manages its renumeration between foreigners which turns out to a biased treatment between foreigners of different nationalities and how it deceives Singaporeans on the number of people joining the strikes for the first 2 days and trying to hide the difference between a strike and terms like "sit-in, mass MC, etc".
The way that this company handles the situation, the way it mass hires their "cheap and good" workers, the way this company puts our country to shame globally is really good enough to make Singaporeans to all agree that such a company like SMRT should be delisted, stop paying fat dividends to shareholders, scaling down whichever operations that they shoudln't do, and get back to real business and focus all their resources, money into their core business, public transport rail system with decent service standards.
This should also give a good wake up call to the current incumbent governing this country that FTs are not cheap and good as well. Singaporeans are not stupid to be paid as cheap labours and they are seriously aggrevated by your policies of importing cheap foreign labors while depressing Singaporeans' wages while costs of livings keep on increasing amid increasing overcrowding, overstressing infrastructures, demand overweighed supply, etc.
You can do that to Singaporeans, but Singaporeans will not be happy with you and most already do. You can do that to foreigners, they aren't dumb to stay as cheap labor forever. Everyone who works wants to have a better life, not to be cheap labors forever, Singaporean or not. Your cheap and good policy have failed and it pissed off many FTs working here and angers many Singaporeans here. It may even go to the extend of damaging ties with a strong power and economy if not handled properly and might detering foreign firms to further invest in Singapore.
These might happen just because of your greed of your million dollar salaries, your disconcern towards the basic moral aspect of treating your own citizens with proper respect. and artifically inflate costs of living, depressing wages and insisting your concerns of keeping on artifically increasing the population for no significant purposes and contributions to the country and the future generations. Singapore is going to be ruined by you, why do we still need you after 2016?
I read this over the internet last month.
I finally understand your frustrations about SMRT and agree some points that you said. Well, it depends on themselves now. I, too, also losing faith on them...
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Originally posted by Zilchster:
No offence, you're either naive or either smoking pot to think that voting "opposition" will cause the many malaise and problems in Singapore to go away.
What Singapore needs is a remaking of its economic policy for a more sustainable one. That means moving away from the cheap labour mentality. We must be prepared then to see the cost of living increase, of course wages will too in proportion to the cost living. But there will be some shocks/repercussions to the economy for a while if we chart a different course. Some businesses might leave or fold. We need other ways to win businesses back - quality labour/automation to enhance productivity, lower corporate tax and lower contribution to CFP conversely increase in personal tax. We won't be able to have the cake and eat it too. There's no such thing as having higher wages without suffering from the higher cost of living increase.
And that requires a mindset change on our part to accept a little pain for long term benefit.
That said, I'll vote for the party who has the guts to remake the Singapore economy to make it sustainable while minimising the shocks. This is what you should be looking out for - the policies the party brings to the table - its implications and not based on the rhetoric - we want to check/balance the ruling party - not voting other parties just to spite the other. That's irrational voting. To me that will cause more harm than having any party opposition or not, remake our economy.
We need mindset change.
Will you be the one to initiate?
The people constitute the country, the state embodies the guiding force.
Let's face it. As long as we are risk-averse as we are, for myraid of reasons, much of it can be attributed to govt policies, we will always be dependant on MNCs, and constantly look to sacrificing welfare to pander to the whims of the world.
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I'll be glad if they capped our population at 5.5m only,Now getting more crowded.
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The government of Singapore ambition was to make Singapore as the 1st class country like other first class countries in the world, and I think we have done that. However, I'm just wondering how much does a public bus driver from other 1st class countries in Europe, Japan, USA etc earns per week or per month?
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Today simisai damn crowded again.
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Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
own transport is no better. ERP, road tax, COE.
even angmoh expats hate ERP i tell you.
People love to pay and pay
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Originally posted by Zilchster:
No offence, you're either naive or either smoking pot to think that voting "opposition" will cause the many malaise and problems in Singapore to go away.
What Singapore needs is a remaking of its economic policy for a more sustainable one. That means moving away from the cheap labour mentality. We must be prepared then to see the cost of living increase, of course wages will too in proportion to the cost living. But there will be some shocks/repercussions to the economy for a while if we chart a different course. Some businesses might leave or fold. We need other ways to win businesses back - quality labour/automation to enhance productivity, lower corporate tax and lower contribution to CFP conversely increase in personal tax. We won't be able to have the cake and eat it too. There's no such thing as having higher wages without suffering from the higher cost of living increase.
And that requires a mindset change on our part to accept a little pain for long term benefit.
That said, I'll vote for the party who has the guts to remake the Singapore economy to make it sustainable while minimising the shocks. This is what you should be looking out for - the policies the party brings to the table - its implications and not based on the rhetoric - we want to check/balance the ruling party - not voting other parties just to spite the other. That's irrational voting. To me that will cause more harm than having any party opposition or not, remake our economy.
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Originally posted by Zilchster:
No offence, you're either naive or either smoking pot to think that voting "opposition" will cause the many malaise and problems in Singapore to go away.
What Singapore needs is a remaking of its economic policy for a more sustainable one. That means moving away from the cheap labour mentality. We must be prepared then to see the cost of living increase, of course wages will too in proportion to the cost living. But there will be some shocks/repercussions to the economy for a while if we chart a different course. Some businesses might leave or fold. We need other ways to win businesses back - quality labour/automation to enhance productivity, lower corporate tax and lower contribution to CFP conversely increase in personal tax. We won't be able to have the cake and eat it too. There's no such thing as having higher wages without suffering from the higher cost of living increase.
And that requires a mindset change on our part to accept a little pain for long term benefit.
That said, I'll vote for the party who has the guts to remake the Singapore economy to make it sustainable while minimising the shocks. This is what you should be looking out for - the policies the party brings to the table - its implications and not based on the rhetoric - we want to check/balance the ruling party - not voting other parties just to spite the other. That's irrational voting. To me that will cause more harm than having any party opposition or not, remake our economy.
as much as i want more opposition to be in the parliament, im not convinced they will do any good... for example, the inappropriately named Workers' Party has done nothing to defend the rights of the worker for better working conditions, all wayang, no action talk only.
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I know HK bus driver earn between Sgd $2400-3700 yeah.UK sgd $3200-5000
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PAP is the best political party in the world!!! Must vote for PAP!!
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Originally posted by Gus.chong e:
PAP is the best political party in the world!!! Must vote for PAP!!
Ohai. Fireice, can block this clone also? One of SMB228X six clones.
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PAP is the best!! Without PAP we won't have excellent buses like Citaros and MAN!!!
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Originally posted by Gus.chong e:
PAP is the best!! Without PAP we won't have excellent buses like Citaros and MAN!!!
Hmmm...not really....they're losing percentage of voters to the opposition...sooner or later...people will be fedup of them....any ruling party in the future can buy a Citaros or MAN buses. Well, as a proverb goes...when there is a beginning there is an ending. -
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Hmmm...not really....they're losing percentage of voters to the opposition...sooner or later...people will be fedup of them....any ruling party in the future can buy a Citaros or MAN buses. Well, as a proverb goes...when there is a beginning there is an ending.If no PAP, there will be no BSEP, where money come from to buy new good buses like MAN? cut cost and save money now but pay the price later.
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
as much as i want more opposition to be in the parliament, im not convinced they will do any good... for example, the inappropriately named Workers' Party has done nothing to defend the rights of the worker for better working conditions, all wayang, no action talk only.
Are you sure they done nothing? As far as I know, they are minority so it is hard to defend rights. If they are the majority, they have already defend the rights.
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Originally posted by SMB3001M:
If no PAP, there will be no BSEP, where money come from to buy new good buses like MAN? cut cost and save money now but pay the price later.
Offer shares to the public again....let them buy those shares...people with money will buy it...look at the future and when the economy is good...when the Singaporean workers' wages are good...increase the fares..we don't mind that...offer dividends to the shareholders when the time is right. The second option...offer to international well established transport company or companies to join venture with SMRT...open IPO if need be...since the way I look at it SMRT couldn't handle the transport system that efficiently themselves. Third option....your money are invested with GICS...for instance... your CPF contributions...the government should injected those profits overseas back into Singapore again...like in SMRT. -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
I know HK bus driver earn between Sgd $2400-3700 yeah.UK sgd $3200-5000
Really! That means Singapore is first class country but Singaporeans are earning like those workers in developed countries...Just to add some information here....starting next year...all Malaysian workers in Malaysia will have a minimum monthly basic salary of RM900...and that is mandatory. Their ringgit value is lower than sing dollars...but they have many international investors coming in to their country.