Loading levels on buses
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
That's because they choose bendies over DDs in d first place.Secondly if they expand Amdep or shifted to a new bigger depot then 80% of the problem solved
Must shift out of KJ and AM and build 2 new DD friendly depot first... WLDEP now reserved for services with bendies only, services with no perm bendy park at WLBP.
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Originally posted by dan474:
Must shift out of KJ and AM and build 2 new DD friendly depot first... WLDEP now reserved for services with bendies only, services with no perm bendy park at WLBP.
Problem is shift where?All I can think is Yio Chu Kang Rd forest where 854/857 ply for Amdep and Jurong Rd where 174 ply for Kjdep
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Problem is shift where?All I can think is Yio Chu Kang Rd forest where 854/857 ply for Amdep and Jurong Rd where 174 ply for Kjdep
but even if want to upgrade the depot, how to upgrade...
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Originally posted by dan474:
Must shift out of KJ and AM and build 2 new DD friendly depot first... WLDEP now reserved for services with bendies only, services with no perm bendy park at WLBP.
WLBP and Kranji are DD friendly to start with. SMRT can start small with using these 2 spaces for parking DDs. They just need to get a few more high capacity bus additions. Maybe 100 to start with. Not a 550 Volve Wright order like SBST did.
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B.A. as you requested, the loading for Service 4, 4.11pm, 22/3/2013.
TAM Int- 23
TAM Ave 7- 28, 27, 25, 23, 24, 27
Flora Rd- 17, 14
Upp Changi Rd Nth- 14, 14
Changi Nth St 1- 13
Changi Nth Cres- 17, 22, 26
Changi Nth St 1- 19
Upp Changi Rd Nth- 17
Flora Rd- 18, 34
Loyang Ave- 25
TAM Ave 7- 25, 23, 23, 23, 23, 18
TAM Int- 18
Strangely, IBIS beeps LATE 7 times throughout the whole journey, not even a single "EARLY"...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
WLBP and Kranji are DD friendly to start with. SMRT can start small with using these 2 spaces for parking DDs. They just need to get a few more high capacity bus additions. Maybe 100 to start with. Not a 550 Volve Wright order like SBST did.
maintenance bay at KJ might not be DD friendly...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
WLBP and Kranji are DD friendly to start with. SMRT can start small with using these 2 spaces for parking DDs. They just need to get a few more high capacity bus additions. Maybe 100 to start with. Not a 550 Volve Wright order like SBST did.
A problem though... I don't think they have yet to free up exactly 100 spaces in KJDEP even up till now, although some services were transferred from KJ>WL due to WLDEP having more bendy-friendly features and also to free up KJ's space.
Thus... AM and KJ are not ready to accomodate DDs yet. KJ just needs more space, that's all.
Then again WLDEP... The parking area and some other areas are anti-DD. WLBP is DD-friendly but... those services still have to go to WLDEP for inspection and all sorts of things etc., which means entering the anti-DD WLDEP.
The only depot that can accomodate DDs might be KJ, but I doubt enough spaces have been freed yet... WLBP on the other hand... read the paragraph above this one...
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Originally posted by dan474:
maintenance bay at KJ not DD friendly i heard...
KJ - Maintainence bay as you said.
WL - Parking area not DD-friendly.
AM - Not enough spaces or something else?
WLBP - Yes, DD friendly, but they still have to go to anti DD WLDEP for checkups and all...
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Random observation @ Tampines Int 4.05 to 4.25PM on 22/03/13
16.09 - svc72 - 3223E (31p)
16.11 - svc 4 - 6370T (23p) this was the bus TIB501D boarded!
16.13 - 291(E)- 9459C (64p)
16.14 - svc72 - 3171X (20p)
16.15 - 291(E)- 7320G (20p)
16.19 - svc72 - 7414U (28p)
16.20 - svc69 - 9849K (15p)
16.23 - svc37 - 9266S (09p)
16.24 - svc72 - xxxx (xx) was watching svc4 berth, so just saw the DD passing by.
16.24 - svc04 - 6368B (27p)
This random observation was when I was waiting for my colleague and I reached before time to do some observations. My observation on 72 again remain unchanged that in non-peak hours also the frequency from Tampines Int is one bus in every 05 mins. The loading is around 20-30 pax compared to what it used to be before. Guess just too many buses thrown on this service given the peak hour loading, but surprising that off-peak also the frequency is 'awesome'.
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Another point that I would like to make is svc4 loading is GOOD. Even in off-peak, the bus is taking +20pax at Tampines Int, and if you see the loadings posted by yenwei, TIB501D and myself, I think it is doing better than many other services already.
I am wondering what the Flora rd residents used to do ~ take private operator buses. That must have been expensive + no advantage of change fee to MRT/other bus.
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
B.A. as you requested, the loading for Service 4, 4.11pm, 22/3/2013.
TAM Int- 23
TAM Ave 7- 28, 27, 25, 23, 24, 27
Flora Rd- 17, 14
Upp Changi Rd Nth- 14, 14
Changi Nth St 1- 13
Changi Nth Cres- 17, 22, 26
Changi Nth St 1- 19
Upp Changi Rd Nth- 17
Flora Rd- 18, 34
Loyang Ave- 25
TAM Ave 7- 25, 23, 23, 23, 23, 18
TAM Int- 18
Strangely, IBIS beeps LATE 7 times throughout the whole journey, not even a single "EARLY"...
I was at Tampines Int when 6370T came to the berth, and I counted the 23pax as well. I must have seen you and we must have crossed each other. Cheers!
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I was at Tampines Int when 6370T came to the berth, and I counted the 23pax as well. I must have seen you and we must have crossed each other. Cheers!
I didn't realize that
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Kjdep and Amdep lease expired on mid 2014.Aint sure bout Amdep shifting cause its the pioneer depot for TIBS/SMRT.Kjdep will definately go out somewhere.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Kjdep and Amdep lease expired on mid 2014.Aint sure bout Amdep shifting cause its the pioneer depot for TIBS/SMRT.Kjdep will definately go out somewhere.
But AMDEP is so small. It should move out to area north of YCK. This way it will also be closer to Yishun Interchange.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
But AMDEP is so small. It should move out to area north of YCK. This way it will also be closer to Yishun Interchange.
Or somewhere near the CBD area
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Kjdep and Amdep lease expired on mid 2014.Aint sure bout Amdep shifting cause its the pioneer depot for TIBS/SMRT.Kjdep will definately go out somewhere.
amdep shifting? but they are now renovating one of the building in AMDEP leh....
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
Or somewhere near the CBD area
orchard road can?? or the open land beside marina bay sands?
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
orchard road can?? or the open land beside marina bay sands?
Idk let just wait and see hw AMDEP deal with the shift
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Last week, I did peak hour bus loading observation on the new services introduced by SBST.
116 (both directions), 50 (both directions), 4 (full loop - only morning peak).
Posting it here.
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116 (Hougang Interchange loop @ Serangoon Central)
Time: 08.33 AM, Date: 9-Apr.
HG Int (13), HG Ave 4 (17), HG Ave 9 (21), Serangoon North Ave 4 (27), AMK Ave 3 (29), Toho Green (33), YCK Link (37 PEAK Loading), Bef NEX (31), Opp NEX (24), Boundary Rd (25), YCK Link (28), Aft Serangoon Gdn Way (28), Bef AMK Ave 3 (28), AMK Ave 3 (25), Serangoon Nth Ave 4 (22), Hougang 1 (22), HG Ave 9 (26), HG Ave 4 (28), Bef HG Int (26).
Peak loading direction towards Serangoon: 37 pax
Peak loading direction towards Hougang: 28 pax
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116 Evening Peak
Time: 18.20 PM, Date: 11-Apr
HG Int (26), HG Ave 4 (25), HG Ave 9 (23), Serangoon Nth Ave 4 (24), AMK Ave 3 (24), Toho Green (33 Peak Loading), YCK Link (27), Opp NEX (25), Boundary Rd (26), YCK Link (28), Aft Serangoon Gdn Way (28), Bef AMK Ave 3 (28), AMK Ave 3 (28), Serangoon Nth Ave 4 (29), Hougang 1 (27), HG Ave 9 (28), HG Ave 4 (22), Bef HG Int (18)
Peak Loading towards Serangoon: 33pax
Peak Loading towards Hougang: 29pax
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My personal observation on svc 116 since its launch on 18-Nov-2012
It has been 5 months since 116 was introduced. I feel somewhere LTA & SBST failed to capture a good loading route for this service. During off-peak, the loading is a mere 15-20 pax (90% times) and during morning / evening peak as well the bus hardly gets more than 40 pax (90% times).
If at all 116 has taken away some load from 72 from Hougang 1 to HG MRT. With increase in 72 frequency from Jan, that too has taken away some of the load from 116 itself in Nov/Dec between Hougang 1 and HG MRT.
315 still has better loading than 116. At Serangoon Nth Ave 4, people just take whichever bus comes first. If it is 315 they take it and don't really wait for 116. 116 takes away some load from 43/70 on YCK Road towards NEX is what I observed. The real load from Serangoon Nth Ave 4 to NEX will be just about 15 pax during peak hours.
In the evening hours, 116 does not help relieve load on 43/70 on YCK road till AMK Ave 3 junction, as its bus stop is opposite side of NEX. In fact, people prefer to take 315 at Interchange or NEX rather than walk to bus stop opp NEX. 116 should be re-reouted via Boundary road to NEX bus stop to have common synergies with 43/70/315. I see that svc 4 and svc 50 that were introduced later are doing way better than 116. Just my thoughts :-)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
My personal observation on svc 116 since its launch on 18-Nov-2012
It has been 5 months since 116 was introduced. I feel somewhere LTA & SBST failed to capture a good loading route for this service. During off-peak, the loading is a mere 15-20 pax (90% times) and during morning / evening peak as well the bus hardly gets more than 40 pax (90% times).
If at all 116 has taken away some load from 72 from Hougang 1 to HG MRT. With increase in 72 frequency from Jan, that too has taken away some of the load from 116 itself in Nov/Dec between Hougang 1 and HG MRT.
315 still has better loading than 116. At Serangoon Nth Ave 4, people just take whichever bus comes first. If it is 315 they take it and don't really wait for 116. 116 takes away some load from 43/70 on YCK Road towards NEX is what I observed. The real load from Serangoon Nth Ave 4 to NEX will be just about 15 pax during peak hours.
In the evening hours, 116 does not help relieve load on 43/70 on YCK road till AMK Ave 3 junction, as its bus stop is opposite side of NEX. In fact, people prefer to take 315 at Interchange or NEX rather than walk to bus stop opp NEX. 116 should be re-reouted via Boundary road to NEX bus stop to have common synergies with 43/70/315. I see that svc 4 and svc 50 that were introduced later are doing way better than 116. Just my thoughts :-)
Who would go opposite just to wait for 116 when they have 315 which is more frequent at the nex bus stop? Lol
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Originally posted by sbst191:
Who would go opposite just to wait for 116 when they have 315 which is more frequent at the nex bus stop? Lol
Actually sometimes the PM Peak traffic flow at NEX bus stop can be very chaotic.
But yeah, who would want to take the pessageway down and up again when there is just a bus stop conveniently located just outside NEX?
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Actually sometimes the PM Peak traffic flow at NEX bus stop can be very chaotic.
But yeah, who would want to take the pessageway down and up again when there is just a bus stop conveniently located just outside NEX?Exaclty. People don't want to do that and reasonably so!
116 should call on 43/70/315 bus stop. The bus stop is chaotic, but to avoid that 81 can be moved to the bus stop opposite NEX. It will actually provide commuters faster link to Upper Serangoon road than do a full round of Boundary road.
82 should be merged with 107 and extend to Marina Center. 82 and 107 have exactly the same route from Serangoon to Hougang. This way can provide direct connectivity for HG / SGK / PGL residents to other areas of NEL. The DDs on 107 will also be better utilized.