If u wanna do maths here, do it at a symposium or a algorithm class or a binary class. Ur statistics is ambiguous to say the least. U didnt even consider people who drive in, who ride in, whose parents send,
So u are trying to say that those statistics are those who take public buses? U wanna make another service to NTU/NIE. 179 is more than enough for the students there. I dont need to go school there to know that 179 frequency is damn high that there are 10 buses bunching.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:I would like to ask, does bus services 179 and 179A use the same fleet of buses?
If so, bus services 179 and 179A is considered one public bus service, not two. This means there are two public bus services – 179/179A and 199 – serving the students of NTU, not three.
Capacity wise, as mentioned, bus service 179’s maximum capacity is 3,257 pax/hr (131 × 25), whereas bus service 199’s maximum capacity is around 1,297 pax/hr [(131 × 8) + (83 × 3)]. Total maximum capacity is 4,554 pax/hr (3,257 + 1,297).
There are 24,300 students in NTU. The maximum capacity of the two public bus services 179/179A and 199 is able to cater for 18.74% of the student population in NTU [(4,554/24,300) x 100%].
Meanwhile, at NUS (Kent Ridge), there are four public bus services 95, 96, 151, 151E. but forget about 151E as that is a fast-forward variant of 151 (charge higher fares, and uses the same fleet as 151). so, it's only three bus services 95, 96, 151.
Bus Service 95 uses up to 3 double decker buses and 5 single decker buses; its maximum capacity is 808 pax/hr [(131 x 3) + (83 x 5)].
Bus Service 96 uses up to 11 double decker buses and 14 single decker buses; its maximum capacity is 2,603 pax/hr [(131 x 11) + (83 x 14)].
Bus Service 151 uses up to 3 double decker buses and 23 single decker buses. there's apparently supposed to be one more bus in the equation, but, let's assume it's a single decker bus. so, the maximum capacity is 2,385 pax/hr [(131 x 3) + (83 x 24)].
In total, the three public bus services 95, 96 and 151 have the maximum capacity of around 5,796 pax/hr (808 + 2,603 + 2,385).
There are 28,311 students in NUS. The maximum capacity of the three public bus services 95, 96 and 151 is able to cater for 20.47% of the student population in NUS [(5,796/28,311) x 100%].
The public-bus-to-student proportion is higher in NUS (20.47%) than in NTU (18.74%).
To be fair, I feel that we should increase the public-bus-to-student proportion in NTU by 1.73% (20.47 - 18.74), to match the public-bus-to-student proportion in NUS. This means an increase of the maximum capacity of the public bus services in NTU by 420.39 pax/hr [(1.73/100) x 24,300], which is about the capacity of one public bus service.
In other words, we need one new public bus service in NTU, to make the public-bus-to-student proportion in NTU equal to the public-bus-to-student proportion in NUS; just introduce one new public bus service in NTU, and the students in NTU would have nothing to complain about the public bus service in NTU already.
420.39 pax/hr is about two double decker buses and two single decker buses (262 + 166 = 428) combined. We can have one new public bus service at Boon Lay Bus Interchange that loops at NTU. We can put this new public bus service and 179 and 179A at the same boarding berth. This new public bus service, with a maximum of four buses, can operate at a constant frequency of fifteen minutes. Buses can be transferred from 179 to this new bus service, to sort of enable higher frequency and “balance a bit”, as long as the looping point is the same. To optimise resources, this new public bus service can take an alternative route between Boon Lay and NTU, that is shorter/faster, and may enhance the intra-town public bus connection in Jurong West.
Here, I would like to make a route suggestion:
New bus service 152
Boon Lay Bus Interchange to NTU (loop); approximately nine kilometres; approximately forty five minutes of run time.
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
- Jurong West Central 3
- Jurong West Street 62
- Jurong West Street 61
- Jurong West Street 71
- Jurong West Avenue 5
- Pioneer Road North
- Lien Ying Chow Drive
- Nanyang Drive
- Nanyang Crescent
- Pioneer Road North
- Jurong West Avenue 5
- Jurong West Street 71
- Jurong West Street 61
- Jurong West Street 62
- Jurong West Central 3
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
Are u serious? Another service into NTU? I would rather they open a 179B that runs counterclockwise of 179 and 179A, for the benefit of students studying in south spine... but then using 179 original fleet is enough... the fleet is really too much!!
Originally posted by gekpohboy:I would like to ask, does bus services 179 and 179A use the same fleet of buses?
If so, bus services 179 and 179A is considered one public bus service, not two. This means there are two public bus services – 179/179A and 199 – serving the students of NTU, not three.
Capacity wise, as mentioned, bus service 179’s maximum capacity is 3,257 pax/hr (131 × 25), whereas bus service 199’s maximum capacity is around 1,297 pax/hr [(131 × 8) + (83 × 3)]. Total maximum capacity is 4,554 pax/hr (3,257 + 1,297).
There are 24,300 students in NTU. The maximum capacity of the two public bus services 179/179A and 199 is able to cater for 18.74% of the student population in NTU [(4,554/24,300) x 100%].
Meanwhile, at NUS (Kent Ridge), there are four public bus services 95, 96, 151, 151E. but forget about 151E as that is a fast-forward variant of 151 (charge higher fares, and uses the same fleet as 151). so, it's only three bus services 95, 96, 151.
Bus Service 95 uses up to 3 double decker buses and 5 single decker buses; its maximum capacity is 808 pax/hr [(131 x 3) + (83 x 5)].
Bus Service 96 uses up to 11 double decker buses and 14 single decker buses; its maximum capacity is 2,603 pax/hr [(131 x 11) + (83 x 14)].
Bus Service 151 uses up to 3 double decker buses and 23 single decker buses. there's apparently supposed to be one more bus in the equation, but, let's assume it's a single decker bus. so, the maximum capacity is 2,385 pax/hr [(131 x 3) + (83 x 24)].
In total, the three public bus services 95, 96 and 151 have the maximum capacity of around 5,796 pax/hr (808 + 2,603 + 2,385).
There are 28,311 students in NUS. The maximum capacity of the three public bus services 95, 96 and 151 is able to cater for 20.47% of the student population in NUS [(5,796/28,311) x 100%].
The public-bus-to-student proportion is higher in NUS (20.47%) than in NTU (18.74%).
To be fair, I feel that we should increase the public-bus-to-student proportion in NTU by 1.73% (20.47 - 18.74), to match the public-bus-to-student proportion in NUS. This means an increase of the maximum capacity of the public bus services in NTU by 420.39 pax/hr [(1.73/100) x 24,300], which is about the capacity of one public bus service.
In other words, we need one new public bus service in NTU, to make the public-bus-to-student proportion in NTU equal to the public-bus-to-student proportion in NUS; just introduce one new public bus service in NTU, and the students in NTU would have nothing to complain about the public bus service in NTU already.
420.39 pax/hr is about two double decker buses and two single decker buses (262 + 166 = 428) combined. We can have one new public bus service at Boon Lay Bus Interchange that loops at NTU. We can put this new public bus service and 179 and 179A at the same boarding berth. This new public bus service, with a maximum of four buses, can operate at a constant frequency of fifteen minutes. Buses can be transferred from 179 to this new bus service, to sort of enable higher frequency and “balance a bit�, as long as the looping point is the same. To optimise resources, this new public bus service can take an alternative route between Boon Lay and NTU, that is shorter/faster, and may enhance the intra-town public bus connection in Jurong West.
Here, I would like to make a route suggestion:
New bus service 152
Boon Lay Bus Interchange to NTU (loop); approximately nine kilometres; approximately forty five minutes of run time.
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
- Jurong West Central 3
- Jurong West Street 62
- Jurong West Street 61
- Jurong West Street 71
- Jurong West Avenue 5
- Pioneer Road North
- Lien Ying Chow Drive
- Nanyang Drive
- Nanyang Crescent
- Pioneer Road North
- Jurong West Avenue 5
- Jurong West Street 71
- Jurong West Street 61
- Jurong West Street 62
- Jurong West Central 3
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
Originally posted by sgbuses:Doesn't 179 already loop at NTU from Boon Lay MRT? How is it different from 179?
The only conceivable variation of the route would be to loop NTU counter-clockwise.
Unless you intend to send them down all the way to Choa Chu Kang or Bukit Panjang.
I am sorry. What I meant is the proportion of public bus capacity to student population in NTU. It is lower than the proportion of public bus capacity to student population in NUS. To be fair, I feel that we should have one new public bus service to make up for the disparity of public bus capacity proportion.
I know there are private shuttle buses in NTU. They can (continue to) use Pioneer MRT Station - like how the private shuttle buses at NUS use Kent Ridge MRT Station.
I feel that the proportion of buses - public and private - to students in NTU is lower than that in NUS.
If we increase the proportion to make it equal to the one in NUS, I think this will settle the issue of buses in NTU once and for all, and enable the "student activists" of NTU to move on to focus on other things.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:If the bus service in NTU is good, why would there be people complaining about it? There must be a reason, that is why they are complaining.
Some bus lobbyists want Uber service at the price of riding a bus.
All, relax. There will be no new bus services to NTU. Sbs 179 and 199 can do the job well enough. Cheers. Thanks.
Not everything is perfect what, u cant expect a perfect flawless bus service. People complain their problem ah, u cant shut people up what, its their mouth, their business, their problem. So what if 1 student complain, then 10 other said the bus svc is good, u going to entertain 1 monkey to shut him up n give a banana? U cannot appease everyone in this world. U cant stop the complain of services.
Why are u so cumbersome about the NTU svc, dont u have any better things to do? Unless u have a clandestine motive then idk ah. It is fortuitous, that u will have complain, bus got problems here and there, U cant blame them, bus not perfect too.
Instead of flummoxing more people, i rather u concentrate on better things in life than this frivilous issue that does not even ideal to talk about.
Originally posted by TIB 585L:Not everything is perfect what, u cant expect a perfect flawless bus service. People complain their problem ah, u cant shut people up what, its their mouth, their business, their problem. So what if 1 student complain, then 10 other said the bus svc is good, u going to entertain 1 monkey to shut him up n give a banana? U cannot appease everyone in this world. U cant stop the complain of services.
Why are u so cumbersome about the NTU svc, dont u have any better things to do? Unless u have a clandestine motive then idk ah. It is fortuitous, that u will have complain, bus got problems here and there, U cant blame them, bus not perfect too.
Instead of flummoxing more people, i rather u concentrate on better things in life than this frivilous issue that does not even ideal to talk about.
Hi mr TIB585L, yes agree. Cheers. Thanks.
258 is JIS. wrongly stated in sgwiki as non-JIS.
I was at Boon Lay the other day and every bus during PM peak left interchange with only 12-15 pax, while 243G had long snaking queues. The fact that LTA has not merged queues for 243G and 258 is sheer stupidity and waste of resources.
258's main job today is getting residents of Jurong West estate along st 75, 82, 81, 71 to Upper Jurong and Joo Koon.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:If the bus service in NTU is good, why would there be people complaining about it? There must be a reason, that is why they are complaining.
It's not "people" are complaining. It's just ONE person complaining and we all know why.
If you think bus service at NTU is not good, look at NUS where there are just so many SDs and the shuttle services all packed to the door.
Jurong West/Boon Lay already well connected yet some people want the sky..Not happy save from now and buy your own car or motorbike.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:258 is JIS. wrongly stated in sgwiki as non-JIS.
I was at Boon Lay the other day and every bus during PM peak left interchange with only 12-15 pax, while 243G had long snaking queues. The fact that LTA has not merged queues for 243G and 258 is sheer stupidity and waste of resources.
258's main job today is getting residents of Jurong West estate along st 75, 82, 81, 71 to Upper Jurong and Joo Koon.
They could have just swapped 258's and 256's berths. The fact that they didn't even though they are brand new services shows how stubborn they are.
Originally posted by array88:It's not "people" are complaining. It's just ONE person complaining and we all know why.
If you think bus service at NTU is not good, look at NUS where there are just so many SDs and the shuttle services all packed to the door.
179 actually doesnt make much profits despite the loadings,Take note how many buses and BCs they require to operate the service.Yet some ignorant didnt think of this,Give SMRT and see what they deploy.
Originally posted by array88:They could have just swapped 258's and 256's berths. The fact that they didn't even though they are brand new services shows how stubborn they are.
256 and 243W go well together and 258 and 243G. But instead they did a stupid berth allocation. I can understand for 72B and 72 there is separate allocation of berth because you want to make sure those going further on ave 5 get a place in the bus.
But in this case, buses run empty from interchange while the queue for 243G/W continues to be snaky and then they have to add buses. If that's the case don't even bother to get 258 and 256 to Boon Lay and hog interchange space. Rather let them loop around ave 5 and ave 4 respectively. Will make them more useful as well.
I just pity the chaps of Slbp 179,Try their best yet some individual hold a grudge spreading hoohaas in social media.Buy a hoverboard next time if you think 28 buses is not enough.
Meanwhile, I have never seen people complain about the bus service in NUS. Happened to visit NUS last year. When I was there, I saw many buses. It could be due to the high proportion (ratio) of bus capacity to student population, that is why no one complains about the bus service in NUS.
Whereas for NTU, the bus service can be better. Like I have said, the proportion (ratio) of bus capacity to student population in NTU is lower than that in NUS. The thing is that NTU has more students than NUS, so naturally NTU needs more bus capacity. Try taking bus 179/179A in the morning, together with the students of NTU, and arrive at a lecture theatre in NTU at 8am. From what I heard, there are many people taking the bus, and it's quite hard to take the bus.
The other reason for suggesting a new bus service is actually because it seems that bus service 179/179A has too many buses, that the frequency is as low as two minutes. When there's too many buses, it becomes very hard to manage. I am not sure if "dis-economies of scale" is the term to describe it, but anyway, I feel that if we create a new bus service and transfer some of 179/179A's buses to this new bus service, it would make it easier to manage bus service 179/179A, and it would allow for a slight increament (1.73%) of proportion of public bus capacity to student population in NTU to match that of NUS.
As far as I know, no one complains about the bus service in NUS, unlike in NTU where there are people complaining about the bus service there. Well, NUS has Clementi Bus Interchange, NTU has Boon Lay Bus Interchange. NUS has Kent Ridge MRT Station, NTU has Pioneer MRT Station. The infrastructure is about the same. I do not see why the proportion of bus capacity to student population cannot be the same. If we make the bus service in NTU the same as the bus service in NUS, I am sure no one would complain about the bus service in NTU.
By the way, I do not think it is only one person complaining. Maybe there is only one person complaining on social media, but for the many other people, they are either complaining on other platforms or simply regarding it as a daily routine of having to struggle to get to school on time using public transport.
I do not understand the negativity here. You all say that it is very good; no need to improve, but do you all actually know the actual situation on the ground? Probably no.
By the way, what is wrong about being a concerned citizen and caring for the community? I do not understand the opposition here. Sorry.
Then i suggest please appl a job in bus depot and do deployment,Please try it once in your lifetime if you are so concerned about bus service in Jurong.Let us see if there is any improvement then..Take it from me and i used to complain on how our bus service is sub standard.When i join the bus industry for few years i realised sometimes its beyond our control.
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eh. ask you all ah. im thinking of going out to have breakfast. should i go to McD, KFC, Burger King or Long John? which one has better breakfast?
i heard Burger King got that $1 burger. is it available during breakfast hour?
would be glad if you could recommend me where to have breakfast, cuz i wanna go out eat but i dunno where to go. thanks ah.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:Meanwhile, I have never seen people complain about the bus service in NUS. Happened to visit NUS last year. When I was there, I saw many buses. It could be due to the high proportion (ratio) of bus capacity to student population, that is why no one complains about the bus service in NUS.
Whereas for NTU, the bus service can be better. Like I have said, the proportion (ratio) of bus capacity to student population in NTU is lower than that in NUS. The thing is that NTU has more students than NUS, so naturally NTU needs more bus capacity. Try taking bus 179/179A in the morning, together with the students of NTU, and arrive at a lecture theatre in NTU at 8am. From what I heard, there are many people taking the bus, and it's quite hard to take the bus.
The other reason for suggesting a new bus service is actually because it seems that bus service 179/179A has too many buses, that the frequency is as low as two minutes. When there's too many buses, it becomes very hard to manage. I am not sure if "dis-economies of scale" is the term to describe it, but anyway, I feel that if we create a new bus service and transfer some of 179/179A's buses to this new bus service, it would make it easier to manage bus service 179/179A, and it would allow for a slight increament (1.73%) of proportion of public bus capacity to student population in NTU to match that of NUS.
As far as I know, no one complains about the bus service in NUS, unlike in NTU where there are people complaining about the bus service there. Well, NUS has Clementi Bus Interchange, NTU has Boon Lay Bus Interchange. NUS has Kent Ridge MRT Station, NTU has Pioneer MRT Station. The infrastructure is about the same. I do not see why the proportion of bus capacity to student population cannot be the same. If we make the bus service in NTU the same as the bus service in NUS, I am sure no one would complain about the bus service in NTU.
By the way, I do not think it is only one person complaining. Maybe there is only one person complaining on social media, but for the many other people, they are either complaining on other platforms or simply regarding it as a daily routine of having to struggle to get to school on time using public transport.
I do not understand the negativity here. You all say that it is very good; no need to improve, but do you all actually know the actual situation on the ground? Probably no.
By the way, what is wrong about being a concerned citizen and caring for the community? I do not understand the opposition here. Sorry.
Since you have pointed out that "for the many other people, they are either complaining on other platforms or simply regarding it as a daily routine of having to struggle to get to school on time using public transport", how can you conclude that nobody is complaining about NUS?
Visit NUS yourself so that you know what I mean...
Are you even sure that nobody ever complains about buses at NUS? And in my opinion, honestly even if 1 extra service is added to NTU, there will still be complains, in addition, not every student takes the bus to school (eg: cycle, drive etc)
If one extra service is added to NTU, I think the situation will be even worse, 179 offers the direct connection fron NTU to Pioneer/Boon Lay with 179A clearing the crowd towards Boon Lay, adding 1 more service and reducing the number of buses on 179/A may result in 179 being more packed if the students are taking the MRT from Boon Lay/Pioneer.
somehow, "258" looks like "25B". hmm... :/
Originally posted by array88:And even 99 doesn't really get any pax at Jurong East MRT...
The reason why 99 runs to Clementi is to serve the people working at the industrial/commercial/office buildings along Boon Lay Way, to connect them to Clementi MRT Station and Jurong residential town.
Originally posted by Sbs6750E:Top 3 most crowded and chaos bus stops?
IMO they are Nex (Serangoon Central), taxis, buses jam up the whole place, many people at bus stop, 147/853 want to pass through also cannot…
2. Clementi Mall bus stop, same as Nex.
3. Fulerton Sq during am peak.
I would add the left turn to get to Jurong East Interchange... always a queue of buses to enter interchange during peak hours. Clementi stop + Nex stop is spot on.
LTA forget that issue as always,Then buses have a hard time exiting bus stops..