SBST Volvo B9TL Wrights (Part 3)
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Originally posted by azharjj:
yes indeed
coz 3642D on 174 today. new to SLBP. *bling bling*
Ha ha......
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
For now, both HGDEP and BBDEP have atleast 3 spare WEGs if not more. If sv 74 has to be made WAB, it is enough. IF you see the # of VO3x going from BNDEP in the current and next month, you will know why they need new WEGs to replace those on sv 9, 19 and 30.Also, there will be more registrations next month, so those WEGs can go to HGDEP if they are serious about making 161 WAB next.
WAB services should not be the first priority of concern. Ensuring that frequencies and loadings are well-managed should be the top priority of bus operators. Just look at how 172, 189, 811 and 851 cannot have more high capacity buses because they have to meet WAB requirements all bendies are non-WAB. (1 388S shouldn't be enough, eh?)
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
WAB services should not be the first priority of concern. Ensuring that frequencies and loadings are well-managed should be the top priority of bus operators. Just look at how 172, 189, 811 and 851 cannot have more high capacity buses because they have to meet WAB requirements all bendies are non-WAB. (1 388S shouldn't be enough, eh?)
that the management issue for not buying higher capacity buses. and not that they cant add higher capacity buses (bendies) to these mention services, they can add, but problem is that they do not have the buses at all. how to add?
I dun see the logic of putting 4 BSEP MAN bus on Sv966 as well while DDs can easily do the work.. If SMRT cant make it, then they should transfer 966/700/190 to SBST... U see what SBST will deploy on these services...
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
WAB services should not be the first priority of concern. Ensuring that frequencies and loadings are well-managed should be the top priority of bus operators. Just look at how 172, 189, 811 and 851 cannot have more high capacity buses because they have to meet WAB requirements all bendies are non-WAB. (1 388S shouldn't be enough, eh?)
This is the mess with SMRT. More than a year and no decision taken on buying high capacity buses. The areas of BBT, CCK, YIS, WDL have so much more development and population growth but no better service.LTA just goes on adding MAN buses. How does it help? Opp direction completely empty. Many times people do not board a SD - the number of pax remaining back is 05-10 pax. For this LTA deploys an additional bus when it could have just deployed DD bus and it would have done the job.
What I am saying is similar to lemon's point.
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SMRT cannot make decision properly,that's the problem
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Seriously why should they?
I give you a loss-making prospect, you see if you want to do it properly or not.
I think I already mentioned that having a 40% feeder service fleet, with a 25% market share isn't gonna earn you $$$.
Not to mention that TIBS left behind a fleet of all shapes and sizes that proved one big headache to manage.
Is it surprising that SMRT is dragging its feet?
Buy DDs for the next operator for what?
It really is up to LTA to try and force SMRT to do something.
If it can.
If it dares.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Seriously why should they?
I give you a loss-making prospect, you see if you want to do it properly or not.
I think I already mentioned that having a 40% feeder service fleet, with a 25% market share isn't gonna earn you $$$.
Not to mention that TIBS left behind a fleet of all shapes and sizes that proved one big headache to manage.
Is it surprising that SMRT is dragging its feet?
Buy DDs for the next operator for what?
It really is up to LTA to try and force SMRT to do something.
If it can.
If it dares.
So people should suffer? SMRT has to take a decision whether it has to be in business or not and LTA has to take a stand.
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Originally posted by SBS 6238T:
HGDEP? Don`t have? HGDEP have the least number of taking the batch 3 wrights. Like that how to make 161 WAB or maybe 74 in future?
Eh pardon me? CGBP has the least.
And if you're so pissed off with the number of wrights taken in for hgdep, you can form your own deployment and write to sbst.
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
Eh pardon me? CGBP has the least.
And if you're so pissed off with the number of wrights taken in for hgdep, you can form your own deployment and write to sbst.
Let me make it clear that CGBP share buses with BNDEP. HGDEP also caters to a lot more than services than CGBP. So your lame argument falls.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Seriously why should they?
I give you a loss-making prospect, you see if you want to do it properly or not.
I think I already mentioned that having a 40% feeder service fleet, with a 25% market share isn't gonna earn you $$$.
Not to mention that TIBS left behind a fleet of all shapes and sizes that proved one big headache to manage.
Is it surprising that SMRT is dragging its feet?
Buy DDs for the next operator for what?
It really is up to LTA to try and force SMRT to do something.
If it can.
If it dares.
looking at the bendy fleet? and i dun really understand why they have to go buy 200 more MANs.. if BSEP require some buses , 100 MAN should be more than enough.. with the addition 100 MAN buses, they have to scrap early those Lances and Scania (not that they are good buses though)..which results in even higher depreciation/running cost.
i believe that they are right now in discussion and very high chance, SBST will be running all the bus services in few years time.. there are ppl who suggest tong tar/woodlands transport or other private operators to take over, believe me, they wont be able to make it....
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Let me make it clear that CGBP share buses with BNDEP. HGDEP also caters to a lot more than services than CGBP. So your lame argument falls.
this complain will forever go on and on.
last time HGDEP no wrights/citaros cos buses not due for deregister, also many ppl come complain... so HGDEP take in Wrights and transfer VO3x to SLBP and now it is SLBP turn to take in more wrights to replace VO3x batch 1 and still got ppl come here complain about HGDEP not taking in more wrights.... In the past,HGDEP were the one who take in all those new VO3x and transfer out all those old LO3x (and in actual fact HGDEP was the first depot to take in LO3x for Sv7)....
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
Eh pardon me? CGBP has the least.
And if you're so pissed off with the number of wrights taken in for hgdep, you can form your own deployment and write to sbst.
What talking you?? CGBP and BNDEP are interchangeable,so combine together 14 batch 3 wrights, and since when I`m pissed off?? Did I say that in my post? I`m only sayong that HGDEP has the least number of batch 3 wrights and What`s wrong with you?? You come back here,no wind,no rain,saying that I`m pissed off??
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SLBP OR HGDEP hv more new buses or what but over all the best / lucky depot dat hv all the new and good buses all from AMDEP now ! didn't u all notice it ?
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
this complain will forever go on and on.
last time HGDEP no wrights/citaros cos buses not due for deregister, also many ppl come complain... so HGDEP take in Wrights and transfer VO3x to SLBP and now it is SLBP turn to take in more wrights to replace VO3x batch 1 and still got ppl come here complain about HGDEP not taking in more wrights.... In the past,HGDEP were the one who take in all those new VO3x and transfer out all those old LO3x (and in actual fact HGDEP was the first depot to take in LO3x for Sv7)....
I did not intend to start this lol. I was merely correcting him on his ridiculous use of examples. Chill man.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
looking at the bendy fleet? and i dun really understand why they have to go buy 200 more MANs.. if BSEP require some buses , 100 MAN should be more than enough.. with the addition 100 MAN buses, they have to scrap early those Lances and Scania (not that they are good buses though)..which results in even higher depreciation/running cost.
i believe that they are right now in discussion and very high chance, SBST will be running all the bus services in few years time.. there are ppl who suggest tong tar/woodlands transport or other private operators to take over, believe me, they wont be able to make it....
Actually I can see why they want to replace the Lances early...the PTOs aren't very happy with the limited support Cummins and Alexander-Dennis offers here (if any).
If there is anything to blame, it was the rather dumb "novelty ala variety-much-much" TIBS approach. It also left SMRT stuck with so many bendies and such locked-in investments can be very painful to execute changes to.
The private operators might be able to step up to the challenge. But they will need support in many areas.
It might really just be better to have a single operator that can pool its resources properly island-wide. Sometimes competition may very well be sub-optimal...
Maybe SMRT might suddenly surprise us with DD purchase. Who knows?
But its quite pointless to guess. And....to but bluntly, I am not staying in SMRT area. So if SMRT doesnt buy DD, I can't really care less. There are more pressing issues in life that deserve their share of attention already.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
looking at the bendy fleet? and i dun really understand why they have to go buy 200 more MANs.. if BSEP require some buses , 100 MAN should be more than enough.. with the addition 100 MAN buses, they have to scrap early those Lances and Scania (not that they are good buses though)..which results in even higher depreciation/running cost.
i believe that they are right now in discussion and very high chance, SBST will be running all the bus services in few years time.. there are ppl who suggest tong tar/woodlands transport or other private operators to take over, believe me, they wont be able to make it....
If SMRT buy 250 more MANdy enough capacity for every service~ SBST should hand over some services to SMRT to operate profit~ -
Originally posted by lemon1974:
this complain will forever go on and on.
last time HGDEP no wrights/citaros cos buses not due for deregister, also many ppl come complain... so HGDEP take in Wrights and transfer VO3x to SLBP and now it is SLBP turn to take in more wrights to replace VO3x batch 1 and still got ppl come here complain about HGDEP not taking in more wrights.... In the past,HGDEP were the one who take in all those new VO3x and transfer out all those old LO3x (and in actual fact HGDEP was the first depot to take in LO3x for Sv7)....
Most probably due to maintenance issues, SBS then want to centralise all Volvos under 1 depot while Merc under another. Unlike nowdays all depots with all types of buses (except for a few like Trident, CNG and VSO).
It was somehow a good thing that HGDEP transfer out several old VO3x to SLBP for those JIS service replacements.There are some HGDEP services which I think they deserve to go WAB first but is mainly due to the old buses still running around. I also dun expect the JIS to get massive upgrades and turn WAB so soon (correct me if I am wrong).
If I am not wrong in the mid 90s era, it was HGDEP as well as BNDEP/BBDEP that also took in mass intakes of brand new Volvos MK4s. In the end all the older 0405s were thrown over to AMDEP/JRBP.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
looking at the bendy fleet? and i dun really understand why they have to go buy 200 more MANs.. if BSEP require some buses , 100 MAN should be more than enough.. with the addition 100 MAN buses, they have to scrap early those Lances and Scania (not that they are good buses though)..which results in even higher depreciation/running cost.
Hino also. Whereas Scania and DAFs were just a normal retirement without further extension after running 17 years.
It seems like SMRT rather extend the 0405s lifespan, instead of letting the Lances and Hinos continue to run on the roads till 2015-2017 while the 0405s go off.
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Originally posted by SBS 6238T:
What talking you?? CGBP and BNDEP are interchangeable,so combine together 14 batch 3 wrights, and since when I`m pissed off?? Did I say that in my post? I`m only sayong that HGDEP has the least number of batch 3 wrights and What`s wrong with you?? You come back here,no wind,no rain,saying that I`m pissed off??
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
that the management issue for not buying higher capacity buses. and not that they cant add higher capacity buses (bendies) to these mention services, they can add, but problem is that they do not have the buses at all. how to add?
I dun see the logic of putting 4 BSEP MAN bus on Sv966 as well while DDs can easily do the work.. If SMRT cant make it, then they should transfer 966/700/190 to SBST... U see what SBST will deploy on these services...
I believe the decision is still under consideration, but one positive path they can and should take is to purchase a variety of both MAN low floor artics (A24) and MAN dd chassis (A34). Both shares the same drivetrain components as the current A22, with just variations on engine output, thus making maintaience an non issue.
Only with such a fleet, they can remain competitive and align their fleet to the requirements of different services.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
I believe the decision is still under consideration, but one positive path they can and should take is to purchase a variety of both MAN low floor artics (A24) and MAN dd chassis (A34). Both shares the same drivetrain components as the current A22, with just variations on engine output, thus making maintaience an non issue.
Only with such a fleet, they can remain competitive and align their fleet to the requirements of different services.
Totally agreed. Good!
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Originally posted by SBS 6238T:
What talking you?? CGBP and BNDEP are interchangeable,so combine together 14 batch 3 wrights, and since when I`m pissed off?? Did I say that in my post? I`m only sayong that HGDEP has the least number of batch 3 wrights and What`s wrong with you?? You come back here,no wind,no rain,saying that I`m pissed off??
The way you talk gives the impression of you being pissed off. And what's your problem? I suka suka leave this forum and come back need permission from you? Who are you? Owner of this forum? I want to leave or come back need ask you and go through auditions and interviews?
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I did not intend to start this lol. I was merely correcting him on his ridiculous use of examples. Chill man.
But you wanted to correct me, didn't you?
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
The way you talk gives the impression of you being pissed off. And what's your problem? I suka suka leave this forum and come back need permission from you? Who are you? Owner of this forum? I want to leave or come back need ask you and go through auditions and interviews?
Wah,let me clap for you,you know my feeling through my post? Well done,first time I see people know other feeling through a post,whoaa that's excellent totally perfect and I have no problem with you man but you're the one who is having problem with others man,i also never said that I am the owner of this forum,you're the one coming back to this forum,creating a flamewar with other users in this forum.What the heck had happened to you? OMG,I'm so amazed,WHOAA
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Originally posted by SBS 6238T:
Wah,let me clap for you,you know my feeling through my post? Well done,first time I see people know other feeling through a post,whoaa that's excellent totally perfect and I have no problem with you man but you're the one who is having problem with others man,i also never said that I am the owner of this forum,you're the one coming back to this forum,creating a flamewar with other users in this forum.What the heck had happened to you? OMG,I'm so amazed,WHOAA
Hmmm?
You talk as if you're the owner of this forum, and I can't suka suka leave and come back to this forum.
~Thanks for the compliment anyways