Joo Koon Bus Interchange
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
Proposal to re-route 192 route section at Jurong West
To Tuas:
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
- Jurong West Central 3
- Jurong West Street 64
- Jurong West Avenue 4
- Jurong West Street 71
- Jurong West Avenue 5
- Pioneer Road North
- Jurong West Avenue 4
- Jurong West Street 61
- Jurong West Street 63
- Pioneer Road North
- Kian Teck Way
- Kian Teck Avenue
- First Lok Yang Road
- Lok Yang Way
- ...
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- Tuas Bus Terminal
- New bus connections
- 1. Kian Teck Avenue & Jurong West
- 2. Pioneer MRT Station & Lok Yang Way
To Boon Lay:- Tuas Bus Terminal
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- Lok Yang Way
- First Lok Yang Road
- Kian Teck Avenue
- Kian Teck Way
- Pioneer Road North
- Jurong West Street 63
- Jurong West Street 61
- Jurong West Avenue 4
- Pioneer Road North
- Jurong West Avenue 5
- Jurong West Street 71
- Jurong West Avenue 4
- Jurong West Street 64
- Jurong West Central 3
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
- New bus connections
- 1. Pioneer MRT Station & Jurong West Avenue 5
- 2. Pioneer MRT Station & Jurong West Avenue 4
- Improved bus connections
- 1. blk 974-980 (Pioneer Road North) & Boon Lay Bus Interchange
- Lost bus connections
- 1. areas around International Road
- alternative: take 254, or walk (within 400m radius) to the nearest 192 bus stop.
- Weakened bus connections
- 1. Jurong West Street 64/Avenue 4 & Pioneer Road North
- comment: from my observations, people hardly take 192 to/fro Street 64 and the industrial areas. residents take 192 up to Avenue 4 only. connecting 192 with Pioneer MRT Station will compensate the people working in the industrial areas.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Hi Mr JurongWestresident, actually, I think it is better if we let 193 take the route amendment at Jurong West residential town, since it is less likely (than 192) to be shortened to Joo Koon Bus Interchange, consider its length being short(-er than 192), its importance to Upper Jurong Road, and the limited capacity of Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
while it can enhance the bus connectivity at Jurong West town, it can also compensate for the possible "shortening" of 192^ to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
^likewise for 193 if it is the one that is being shortened to Joo Koon while 192 remains, although this is less likely to happen, in my opinion.
actually 192 should retain... at maximum re-route 192 to ply Upper Jurong Road directly to Tuas Avenue 3.
193 can re-route to take Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim and go to Joo Koon Bus Interchange. 193 is more able to shorten because there is MRT line following it closely.
If can only keep one while shorten the other, I think we have to review pros and cos and prioritise.
Cheers.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Have been studying the bus routes around Joo Koon Bus Interchange since yesterday until now. Wrote everything at http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=122048820#post122048820. Too tired to write everything here. Will only post pictures here... anyway, the pictures are quite self-explanatory.
basically,
- 182/182M, 251, 254, 255, 257 go to Joo Koon.
- 192 & 193 stay.
- 1 new route at Boon Lay.
- 2 new routes at Joo Koon.
251:
First new route - at Boon Lay - can replace 254, 255 and 251:
Second new route - at Joo Koon - dedicated for Benoi Setor:
Third new route - at Joo Koon - can replace 194, 251 and 257:
Possible 192 amendment to serve Kian Teck:
after thinking through.... while writing the post I wrote yesterday at SGforums in this thread... I realise it's better to just leave routes 192 and 193 alone.
so, yeah, here is my vision on how the bus network around Joo Koon Bus Interchange would be when it opens.
Originally posted by 201911:Whoa... you've certainly thought a lot about this. Generally seems okay, but your third new route (Joo Koon - Jln Ahmad Ibrahim) cannot directly replace 194, as most ppl heading to Bird Park would be coming from other parts of Sg, and prefer to take bus from Boon Lay MRT. Maybe can extend that route to Boon Lay Int via Jln Boon Lay express, similar to 194 and 251 at the moment. And existing 194 can operate as M variant on weekends when demand to Bird Park is higher.
You may want to draw out all the routes on a single map using googlemaps, to make it clearer.
Plus some postings at http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1244877&page=18.
Well, I have created a map on Google to combine all the route suggestions that I have with regards to Joo Koon Bus Interchange. Here's the address to it:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zNWwwTjfZRIg.kpUbjfK2g15M
In the map, I have incorporated my earlier suggestion for 192 into it, so it differs slightly from the one in the picture above.
Personally, I feel that my version of route network can be improved, but I am not sure how.
With regards to Mr 201911's comment, well, the problem is that Jalan Boon Lay experiences heavy traffic congestion. Although having a new route from Joo Koon to Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim would be longer for people working there, the travelling time should be shorter.
Whereas for Jurong Bird Park, I think we should just keep service 194. Anyway, this service only stops at Bird Park. So, it does not actually duplicate any route.
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"fun" fact: even after shortening bus route 182 to Joo Koon Bus Interchange, the length is still very long, at approximately 30.5km.
personally, I feel that there will be another round of bus network changes when Tuas West MRT Extension opens. For now, I think this is quite good.
In my opinion, I feel that when the Tuas West MRT Extension opens, bus routes 254 and 182 should be reviewed.
- 182 is still too long even after we shorten it to Joo Koon.
- 254, on the other hand, may serve its own area better if we re-route it to connect to Gul Circle MRT Station.
- 193 can be re-routed somehow.
- New routes can be created as the existing routes at Tuas are re-routed.
The entire bus network at Tuas area should be edited to complement the Tuas West MRT Extension. But this will affect Tuas Bus Terminal more than Joo Koon.
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Tuas also getting new terminal soon, to (possibly) combine with the depot there. Also, 194 completely duplicates 251 as 251 also stops at Bird Park. I do not see why they can't introduce a 251M that replace 194, which can also use 251's DDs should the occasion arise.
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Hmm yeah,if 131M(Brbp)can replace 275(Arbp) why not 251M?Industrial vs special trunk?194 can reintroduce to other destination also
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
Tuas also getting new terminal soon, to (possibly) combine with the depot there. Also, 194 completely duplicates 251 as 251 also stops at Bird Park. I do not see why they can't introduce a 251M that replace 194, which can also use 251's DDs should the occasion arise.
It's actually a good suggestion to introduce 251M in place of 194.
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194 will be gone in the near future when the bird park shifts to zoo area there lol
i remembered the govt wants to shift bird park to zoo area, isnt it ?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
It's actually a good suggestion to introduce 251M in place of 194.
no.
194 route and 251 is not the same.
introduce 251M or 251 will not replace 194.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Hmm yeah,if 131M(Brbp)can replace 275(Arbp) why not 251M?Industrial vs special trunk?194 can reintroduce to other destination also
Or just rename current 194 also can. Example: 404
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
no.
194 route and 251 is not the same.
introduce 251M or 251 will not replace 194.
It is just an extra stop, prior to new ITH, 194 never stop there at all.
251M can replace 194 for Bird Park sector, and existing 194 can extend to JIS area that are not served currently. Once Bird Park move to Mandai, can withdraw 251M.
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
It is just an extra stop, prior to new ITH, 194 never stop there at all.
251M can replace 194 for Bird Park sector, and existing 194 can extend to JIS area that are not served currently. Once Bird Park move to Mandai, can withdraw 251M.
question is when will Bird Park move? it is not wise renumber 194 to 251M and then withdraw after one or two years later.
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The shops at Joo Koon Bus Interchange are now up for lease. http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/lease/plans/joo_koon_bI.pdf
Tender closes on Friday 27 March, 3pm, in other words, end of March.
Considering the time taken to evaluate the applications (around 1 month), award the tender, set up the shops (around 1 month), I think Joo Koon Bus Interchange will open in June.
This may be an indication that the bus interchange is now handed over to SBS Transit. We may see buses driving in and out of it soon, from around May this year.
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"Joo Koon Integrated Transport Hub ready by Q3 2015..."
It's Q3, people!
Q1: January, February, March
Q2: April, May, June
Q3: July, August, September
Q4: October, November, December
Well, if it's Q3, it is very likely to be during September holidays, between 5 September 2015 (Saturday) and 13 September 2015 (Sunday).
Meanwhile, there is also the possibility of it opening during the National Day holiday (8, 9, 10 August).
The authorities may open the new Joo Koon Bus Interchange in celebration of SG50. :)
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
"Joo Koon Integrated Transport Hub ready by Q3 2015..."
It's Q3, people!
Q1: January, February, March
Q2: April, May, June
Q3: July, August, September
Q4: October, November, December
Well, if it's Q3, it is very likely to be during September holidays, between 5 September 2015 (Saturday) and 13 September 2015 (Sunday).
Meanwhile, there is also the possibility of it opening during the National Day holiday (8, 9, 10 August).
The authorities may open the new Joo Koon Bus Interchange in celebration of SG50. :)
Exciting times. Really looking forward to how the JIS services are planned.
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TBH, personally, I feel that there may be one more new bus depot at Jurong, for Tuas and Joo Koon areas. Joo Koon will contain up to around nine bus services, which means around one hundred and eighty buses. Tuas may contain around five to ten eventually, which means around one hundred to two hundred buses. When combined, there would already be around two hundred and eighty to three hundred and eighty buses.
Furthermore, with Jurong Lake District coming up, they already say there will be new bus services. I do not think Soon Lee Bus Depot alone is able to handle the number of buses at Jurong Lake District, Jurong Industrial Estate and Tuas, when they are eventually developed.
I feel that they may want to take this opportunity to re-organise the bus routes in Jurong (East, West, Industial Estate, Tuas). They may want to develop a regional bus interchange where long-distance routes (eg. 30, 154, 198, 157, 174, etc.) would terminate, residential trunk routes (longer than feeder) provide the "first and last" connection from the regional bus interchange to the residential areas of Jurong East and Jurong West, bypassing Boon Lay and Jurong East bus interchanges, while the BNL and JE bus interchanges provide the short feeder routes and perhaps just some trunk routes.
While this reduces route duplication, it (especially the residential trunk routes I suggested in the above paragraph) could enhance the bus transport connectivity in Jurong. Besides, it need not be a standalone bus interchange. It could be sited together with a future JRL or/and CRL station.
But the location... they should study all possible locations thoroughly and select the best possible location (utlisises the least resources and has the most benefits) to site the regional bus interchange.... Personally, actually, I feel that Jurong East could be the regional interchange..... alternatively,.... Tengah is a good candidate for central regional bus interchange....
actually, the really long-term solution is to have another EWL at Jurong... apparently, that will be Cross Island Line... but CRL does not go to the city.
nonetheless, what they could do is to have long-distance express routes that only stop at a few main bus stops along a very very long route. While it can be a short-term solution, it can also be long-term.
In short, they should really review and revamp the entire bus network in Jurong.
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went to take pictures of Joo Koon Bus Interchange again...
I have a feeling that by the time Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens, even the false wall at the ceiling will be covered with orange colour panel.
seriously... Joo Koon Bus Interchange interior is like the interior of some pumpkin or some orange leh.... so orange...
like those underground stations at North South Line... that is filled with one colour...
welcome back to the 1980s.
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I wonder if Joo Koon interchange would be crowded with people ?
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The Joo Koon Interchange looks nice... very bright and chic.
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
went to take pictures of Joo Koon Bus Interchange again...
I have a feeling that by the time Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens, even the false wall at the ceiling will be covered with orange colour panel.
seriously... Joo Koon Bus Interchange interior is like the interior of some pumpkin or some orange leh.... so orange...
like those underground stations at North South Line... that is filled with one colour...
welcome back to the 1980s.
Looks like the orange interior of Newton MRT stn. Adds some lively colour to the drab industrial area.
Wonder why the interchange is opening only in Q3 when it looks nearly ready. Just like Yishun temp Int which was mostly completed in Dec/Jan but opened in Mar. In any case, it's good not to rush.
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
I wonder if Joo Koon interchange would be crowded with people ?
I guess if Joo Koon opens with around seven bus services, the human traffic at Joo Koon should be the same as at Eunos, because Eunos also has seven bus services.
Although unlike Eunos, Joo Koon caters to industrial area which has low traffic during off-peak period, the traffic should be the same because most people taking Eunos BI bus services take bus from the bus stop outside along Sims Avenue.
so, I think in terms of human traffic, Eunos Bus Interchange offers the best preview.
Joo Koon Bus Interchange may have the human traffic of Eunos BI and the capacity of Serangoon BI (JK has 18, SR has 17). Think about it as if Eunos and Serangoon come together and give birth to Joo Koon. #justsaying
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
I guess if Joo Koon opens with around seven bus services, the human traffic at Joo Koon should be the same as at Eunos, because Eunos also has seven bus services.
Although unlike Eunos, Joo Koon caters to industrial area which has low traffic during off-peak period, the traffic should be the same because most people taking Eunos BI bus services take bus from the bus stop outside along Sims Avenue.
so, I think in terms of human traffic, Eunos Bus Interchange offers the best preview.
Joo Koon Bus Interchange may have the human traffic of Eunos BI and the capacity of Serangoon BI (JK has 18, SR has 17). Think about it as if Eunos and Serangoon come together and give birth to Joo Koon. #justsaying
i would like to see what the human traffic looks like on the weekends at Joo Koon.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
i would like to see what the human traffic looks like on the weekends at Joo Koon.
however low the human traffic is at Joo Koon, it will still be higher than the human traffic at Tuas Bus Terminal.
Apparently, Tuas Bus Terminal once hosted several bus services, including some from Malaysia. But now, only left with 192 and 193. Was there a few weeks ago when I went there to look at Tuas West MRT Extension (took 193 and ended up there). Other than myself, there was no passenger at Tuas Bus Terminal.
to ensure there is at least some human traffic during weekends, we can shorten some cross-boarder bus services from Jurong East to Joo Koon.
four benefits:
- 1. lower operation costs for bus operator.
- 2. shorter travel for people in Malaysia who travel to Jurong Industrial Estate to work everyday.
- 3. reduce usage of Jurong East Bus Interchange, thus relieve vehicle traffic at Jurong Gateway Road.
- 4. ensure there's at least some human traffic at Joo Koon Bus Interchange on weekends.
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194 should be withdrawn.
For 251, just convert 1 split to A/P, don't need to add any buses.
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
however low the human traffic is at Joo Koon, it will still be higher than the human traffic at Tuas Bus Terminal.
Apparently, Tuas Bus Terminal once hosted several bus services, including some from Malaysia. But now, only left with 192 and 193. Was there a few weeks ago when I went there to look at Tuas West MRT Extension (took 193 and ended up there). Other than myself, there was no passenger at Tuas Bus Terminal.
to ensure there is at least some human traffic during weekends, we can shorten some cross-boarder bus services from Jurong East to Joo Koon.
four benefits:
- 1. lower operation costs for bus operator.
- 2. shorter travel for people in Malaysia who travel to Jurong Industrial Estate to work everyday.
- 3. reduce usage of Jurong East Bus Interchange, thus relieve vehicle traffic at Jurong Gateway Road.
- 4. ensure there's at least some human traffic at Joo Koon Bus Interchange on weekends.
160 cannot be shorten/extend to Joo Koon or Tuas West. 160 still has the congestion problem along its route, it would only gets worse.
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What he meant is CW svc using 2nd Link to termnate at Joo Koon instead of Jurong East,I think its a good idea too
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I hope it dosent end up like Tuas Bus Terminal. It is really empty during off peak and weekends. Sometimes only 1-2 buses parking there and you are waiting for the bus alone at the terminal.
How about the NTWU canteen? Does it close early like the one at Shenton Way Terminal?