Joo Koon Bus Interchange
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Originally posted by Skyrev:
I was really surprised to see bus service '405M' at Boon Lay Bus Interchange, so I went to look it up online. Came across this forums, thought it was really interesting to see so much professionalism when discussing about transport-related topics. Then I came across this topic.
Welcome to our forum! Enjoy sharing your knowledge here 😂
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Shouldnt Joo Koon be named as Joo Koon ITH instead of Interchange?
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road markings 'in', 'in', 'out', arrows, lines are painted yellow on the floor. kerbs are there. still can hear some drilling inside and around.
so far, no one saw buses entering the bus interchange, right?
the status of Joo Koon Bus Interchange now is about the same as Bedok Bus Interchange in September 2014. Either by 27/28 June or 25/26 July, Joo Koon Bus Interchange should be all ready for revenue service. :)
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
road markings 'in', 'in', 'out', arrows, lines are painted yellow on the floor. kerbs are there. still can hear some drilling inside and around.
so far, no one saw buses entering the bus interchange, right?
the status of Joo Koon Bus Interchange now is about the same as Bedok Bus Interchange in September 2014. Either by 27/28 June or 25/26 July, Joo Koon Bus Interchange should be all ready for revenue service. :)
open for testing this month until arnd September
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Originally posted by TIB1112L:
open for testing this month until arnd September
thanks for the information.
yay. this means it's time to get our cameras ready to take pictures of buses. :)
if it's september, I think it's quite obvious already. september holidays...
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hi. just wondering, is there any possibility that bus services (185, 502, 502A) originating/terminating at Soon Lee Bus Depot will be re-routed to Joo Koon Bus Interchange?
if 185 extends to Joo Koon (via Upper Jurong Road), both directions would be around 20.1 km if extend to Boon Lay (via Boon Lay Way), both directions is around 19 km. #justsaying
actually, in my opinion, I feel that 502 can be shortened to Boon Lay. Skip the entire Jurong West Extension. We can always take feeder to Boon Lay and transfer to 502. Vice-versa.
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
hi. just wondering, is there any possibility that bus services (185, 502, 502A) originating/terminating at Soon Lee Bus Depot will be re-routed to Joo Koon Bus Interchange?
if 185 extends to Joo Koon (via Upper Jurong Road), both directions would be around 20.1 km if extend to Boon Lay (via Boon Lay Way), both directions is around 19 km. #justsaying
actually, in my opinion, I feel that 502 can be shortened to Boon Lay. Skip the entire Jurong West Extension. We can always take feeder to Boon Lay and transfer to 502. Vice-versa.
If you have not known, Express 502 was extended from its original starting point at Boon Lay to ply Jurong West Extension and eventually Soon Lee around a decade ago.
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My guess will be 185 & 502 starts from Joo Koon with a new svc cover Soon Lee part and 3-4 JIS shift there
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
If you have not known, Express 502 was extended from its original starting point at Boon Lay to ply Jurong West Extension and eventually Soon Lee around a decade ago.
502 extended from Boon Lay int to Soon Lee depot, is it because last time the original Boon Lay int no space?
anyway, I think 182 very likely will come to Joo Koon. Apparently 182 last time is Jurong East de. Then dunno which year it shorten to Boon Lay. I think with Joo Koon opening, 182 will come here.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
My guess will be 185 & 502 starts from Joo Koon with a new svc cover Soon Lee part and 3-4 JIS shift there
185 also another two parking lot de. 502 its frequency I think one parking lot can already.
Including 182 Which I believe also need two parking lots, that's five parking lots already. JK has eighteen. With that thirteen lots left.
251, 254, 255, 257 actually I think it's best that they operate at feeder frequency, at least during peak hours. which means two parking lots each. total eight parking lots.
with that, still have five left. don't forget still have new bus services, which I believe will also need to operate at feeder frequency; two parking lots each. but then, if like that, I think only can have two new bus services. that one left can either give to Malaysia operator run cross-boarder bus services, or have a (new) trunk bus service that runs at frequency that only need one parking lot.
unless there is provision for more parking lots in the future, which I am not sure about. alternatively, we can let 182 stay at Boon Lay. next year tuas west mrt extension open already then shorten to Tuas Terminal. then we can have up to three new bus services of feeder frequency at Joo Koon.
should 185 be re-routed to Joo Koon, 185 can re-route slightly to Pioneer MRT Station. Pioneer Road North > Jurong West Street 63 > Jurong West Street 61 > Boon Lay Way > Upper Jurong Road.
Confession: The only reason why I am so excited about this Joo Koon Bus Interchange is because Boon Lay Bus Interchange is so overcrowded when we need it most in the evening. When JK opens, BL will have less bus services, which means can have more bus services. yay! :)
I guess eventually, Boon Lay can have around three new bus routes.
if want make some more room, actually, 405 can also go over to Joo Koon. Can use that one parking lot which I have no idea how it would be used.
in future if Joo Koon can have more parking lots (along the driveway wall), can create another three or four more parking lots to accomodate another two more bus services. but that's probably new bus services already. unless we let 179 & 199 come over.
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
502 extended from Boon Lay int to Soon Lee depot, is it because last time the original Boon Lay int no space?
I don't think so; from what I recall, 502 did not start from Soon Lee Depot (although it has already existed since 2002) when it is extended at the end of 2005; it simply started from Pioneer Rd North (using the current route within Jurong).
When service 185 was introduced exactly one year later, I guess that should be the time where Soon Lee Depot also becomes the 'starting point' for Express 502/502A; but there is still a significant difference between the two services.
Previously service 185 actually allowed first boarding/last alighting from bus stops Bef/S'pore Post along Pioneer Rd North (there were no bus stops outside/opposite Soon Lee Depot until August 2007), it was only then service 185 was the first service to use this pair of completed bus stops along Soon Lee Rd.
Express 502/502A still continued to start from Pioneer Rd North (Opp/Blk 653B) then, which is the significant difference until February 2009, when Express 502/502A was finally made to ply those pairs of bus stops along Soon Lee Rd and Pioneer Rd North (Bef/S'pore Post), officially allowing first boarding/last alighting from Soon Lee Rd like service 185 does.
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should transfer 179 from boon lay to joo koon interchange.. go via upper jurong road and PIE express to NTU...
or operate 179 from Joo Koon to NTU via PIE and keep 179A at boon lay... split the fleet into half...
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
should transfer 179 from boon lay to joo koon interchange.. go via upper jurong road and PIE express to NTU...
or operate 179 from Joo Koon to NTU via PIE and keep 179A at boon lay... split the fleet into half...
if 179 transfers to Joo Koon, length will increase by 2km. However, according to google maps driving feature, journey time will be 5 mins shorter.
but, honestly, I think a lot of people will complain, including NTU people themselves. it's better to let it stay at Boon Lay.
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Should have a service from Joo Koon to NTU also,Alternative for those who always kaopei queing up at BNL,This Way Joo Koon is also fully utilised..Maybe its best 185,502,3 JIS svc and one new svc from there for a start
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kk... not say cannot have new route from JK to NTU. but at least keep 179 leh. or at least wait until NTU LRT build already then say. maybe by then also don't need so many buses on 179 already. also don't need for another bus route to NTU already. tbh, I still think NTU LRT is still in the works. complementing instead of being replaced by JRL.
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ok. I know it's off-topic, but nonetheless, it's near Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
Tuas Bus Terminal.
Went onto Google Earth again today. Saw the Tuas MRT depot site. Apparently, the new bus terminal is already constructed.
from the looks of it, Boarding & Alighting is not allowed in the new bus terminal.
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Thanks for sharing bro..I really hope that a new bus depot will be construct near the train depot itself.
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My wild guess for Joo Koon 185,251,254,255,257,502 and a new JIS.
Boon Lay will have at least 2 more new service,1 JIS covering the missing link and a medium haul trunk svc.Tuas probably will have a new svc cover Jurong Pier Rd
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Thanks for sharing bro..I really hope that a new bus depot will be construct near the train depot itself.
well, there is word going around that there will be some commercial outlets at Tuas in future. I guess it is either one of the new MRT stations will have commercial outlets, or there will be a new commercial building.a development with commercial activities and bus depot may be likely, if the site is next to Tuas Link MRT Station. for all we know, there could even be a condominium on top of it. since after all, there's sea view. :)
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
My wild guess for Joo Koon 185,251,254,255,257,502 and a new JIS.
Boon Lay will have at least 2 more new service,1 JIS covering the missing link and a medium haul trunk svc.Tuas probably will have a new svc cover Jurong Pier Rd
actually, 185 and 502 are the obvious ones, since currently they originate from bus depot.
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But seriously,To those dreaming of seeing 9 bus svc there better stop your fantasy..Bus park is too narrow to accomodate more than 20 buses..Most probably 7 bus svc is the max..
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Maybe 1 new service to NTU since ppl complain about 179?
185 is doing well from depot..same for 502.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
But seriously,To those dreaming of seeing 9 bus svc there better stop your fantasy..Bus park is too narrow to accomodate more than 20 buses..Most probably 7 bus svc is the max..
it really depends on the frequency of the bus services. there are eighteen parking lots. three sawtooth boarding berths. if the frequency is high throughout - feeder frequency - maybe between six to nine. if the frequency is low throughout - say around 15 mins - maybe nine to twelve, or twelve to eighteen.
Boon Lay Bus Interchange has thirty eight bus parking lots (30 standard, 8 elongated) in the sawtooth section. In the sawtooth section, there are twenty one bus services. On average, it's 1.8 bus parking lots per bus service. On the assumption that Joo Koon is also 1.8 parking lots per service, actually, Joo Koon Bus Interchange can have ten bus services.
185 & 502 together I think only need three. The other fifteen can be for around five to seven services with feeder frequency. Really depends on how many parking lots per feeder-like services. Currently, the 25X services use two parking lots at Boon Lay Bus Interchange, right? So, quite likely there is space for up to seven 25X services.
7 or 9 or 10. 10 less likely. On the other hand, it also depends on how many 25X services. 10 may be likely. Greater than 10 is also likely.
Meanwhile, for the new Tuas Bus Terminal, I guess the number of parking lots is either greater or equal than the number in the existing Tuas Bus Terminal: 12 / 13.
Joo Koon and Tuas combine is around 30 bus parking lots. Boon Lay has around 60 bus parking lots. Actually, if want, we can remove around half of the load off Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
in fact, we can even create another new bus interchange/terminal somewhere else in Jurong, with around 30 bus parking lots, to replace Boon Lay Bus Interchange completely. nah. Boon Lay has the five feeder services. nonetheless, the new bus interchange/terminal can take over some load from Jurong East Bus Interchange, since Jurong East Bus Interchange also operating near/at its peak already.
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my personal wish is that, when some parking lots at Boon Lay Bus Interchange are not in use after Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens (after the removal and addition related to Joo Koon Bus Interchange),
- 1. some end-on bus services can come over to the sawtooth section (ignore the rule that sawtooth can only exit by turning left enter by turning right), or both, or vice-versa; re-shuffle bus berths allocation. why? because the end-on side has traffic congestion issue that is quite bad. buses on route 174 has been in the sawtooth section for quite some time now. I think 174 quite likely will come over.
- 2. new bus routes can be created. maybe can revamp the entire bus network in Jurong West extension. maybe can (finally) have new bus route from Pioneer MRT Station to Jurong West Street 61/71/81.
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
The shops at Joo Koon Bus Interchange are now up for lease. http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/lease/plans/joo_koon_bI.pdf
Tender closes on Friday 27 March, 3pm, in other words, end of March.
Considering the time taken to evaluate the applications (around 1 month), award the tender, set up the shops (around 1 month), I think Joo Koon Bus Interchange will open in June.
This may be an indication that the bus interchange is now handed over to SBS Transit. We may see buses driving in and out of it soon, from around May this year.
Or even 7 August 2015