Originally posted by iveco:what about 97 & 197?
What about them? They are already together.
Service Guides for all affected Svcs excluding 99 out at BNL int, visually different from the current version by having a full white background and a purple strip at the top to tell people about the dates these services are implmented.
There are posters of Service 99 at bus stops at Jurong West Avenue 1 (Blk 457 Bus stop)
Hi guys... Just a add on, some of you may or may not know this but the joo koon int guides at BNL were cleared by the interchange office because of an error... They threw away most of the guides. New ones being printed
never gone to that bus interchange
Originally posted by JTislittleboiboi:Hi guys... Just a add on, some of you may or may not know this but the joo koon int guides at BNL were cleared by the interchange office because of an error... They threw away most of the guides. New ones being printed
Which services are printed wrongly?
Originally posted by Skyrev:253Which services are printed wrongly?
253
Personally, I feel that the way they swap 192 and 193 is like very fucked up. 193 could have remain the same, while we only re-route 192 over to Boon Lay. What for make 192 and 193 duplicate each other at Benoi Road and Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim?
In fact, 192 could simply ply the exact route of 258 from Boon Lay Bus Interchange to Pioneer Road North. No need for a new bus service. Thereafter, 192 continue as per current route to Tuas Bus Terminal. One advantage of this is that affected commuters working at Jurong Industrial Estate can take 192 from another bus stop that is still within walking distance from their homes at Jurong West Avenue 4, without having to take another bus and make transfer at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
Originally posted by jurongresident:Personally, I feel that the way they swap 192 and 193 is like very fucked up. 193 could have remain the same, while we only re-route 192 over to Boon Lay. What for make 192 and 193 duplicate each other at Benoi Road and Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim?
In fact, 192 could simply ply the exact route of 258 from Boon Lay Bus Interchange to Pioneer Road North. No need for a new bus service. Thereafter, 192 continue as per current route to Tuas Bus Terminal. One advantage of this is that affected commuters working at Jurong Industrial Estate can take 192 from another bus stop that is still within walking distance from their homes at Jurong West Avenue 4, without having to take another bus and make transfer at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
I agree. There's no need for that new bus service when 192 could have taken the route of that new bus service between Boon Lay Bus Interchange and Pioneer Road North. Very few people at Jurong West go to Fairprice Hub anyway. This can be seen on the free shuttle bus service that plies between Fairprice Hub and Jurong West. It's usually empty buses and even if have people, it's only like less than five. Since there is already 99 going to provide the bus connection between Jurong West and Fairprice Hub, I do not think there is really a need for another bus service to provide that connection. It's going to be over-served anyway.
I agree that 193 should continue as per current route. By removing 193 from Pasir Laba camp and shortening 182 to Joo Koon, the people at Pasir Laba camp would lose their bus connection to Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
Originally posted by jurongresident:Personally, I feel that the way they swap 192 and 193 is like very fucked up. 193 could have remain the same, while we only re-route 192 over to Boon Lay. What for make 192 and 193 duplicate each other at Benoi Road and Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim?
In fact, 192 could simply ply the exact route of 258 from Boon Lay Bus Interchange to Pioneer Road North. No need for a new bus service. Thereafter, 192 continue as per current route to Tuas Bus Terminal. One advantage of this is that affected commuters working at Jurong Industrial Estate can take 192 from another bus stop that is still within walking distance from their homes at Jurong West Avenue 4, without having to take another bus and make transfer at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
I think they want 193 to go to Joo Koon (or at least Benoi Rd) so that Jurong West Ave 4 residents can take 193 and transfer to those JIS there. Thus it goes to Jln Ahmad Ibrahim.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
I agree. There's no need for that new bus service when 192 could have taken the route of that new bus service between Boon Lay Bus Interchange and Pioneer Road North. Very few people at Jurong West go to Fairprice Hub anyway. This can be seen on the free shuttle bus service that plies between Fairprice Hub and Jurong West. It's usually empty buses and even if have people, it's only like less than five. Since there is already 99 going to provide the bus connection between Jurong West and Fairprice Hub, I do not think there is really a need for another bus service to provide that connection. It's going to be over-served anyway.
I disagree with the first point. By making 192 plying the route of 258, there are definitely going to be serious problems. It is somehow difficult to explain, but I do not think that as a trunk service, 192 should ply the route like a feeder hybrid. Trunks are meant to provide direct connections from one area to another while feeders bring people from residential estates to the nearest MRT stations/bus interchange. Furthermore, the distance is going to increase, as well as the frequency and number of buses in its fleet. I do not think this can be explained away by the fact that the demand between Jurong West and Fairprice Hub is low.
Originally posted by Pervertedboy:Apparently, bus service 99 does not have flyer about its extension to Joo Koon Bus Interchange. Boon Lay don’t have. Clementi don’t have. Even the buses on bus service 99 also don’t have. Nonetheless, at least there is the individual route amendment poster at the bus stops where bus service 99 calls.
jurongwestresident, jurongresident, pervertedboy - are you the new troll? We all know you are the same person and you have acknowledged the same. Just to prove your point, don't stoop to this level (otherwise there is no difference between a lynch like pathlight and you)
I'm curious as to why the pair of bus stops along Benoi Rd right outside Joo Koon Int are not given matching bus stop codes - the stop on the west side of the road is coded 23371, the opposite one is 23519.
If this has happened since some time ago, had no one bothered to correct it?
Originally posted by AJQZC:I'm curious as to why the pair of bus stops along Benoi Rd right outside Joo Koon Int are not given matching bus stop codes - the stop on the west side of the road is coded 23371, the opposite one is 23519.
If this has happened since some time ago, had no one bothered to correct it?
192's current bus stop "opp Joo Koon Int" is coded 23379... But it doesn't have timetables wef 28 Nov 2015, whereas 23371 has timetables wef 28 Nov.
And on 192's poster, "opp FairPrice Hub" is indicated as a new bus stop with code 23519.
Guess 23519 will replace 23379?
There is a new weekday timetable for SBS 241 from 28/11 showing only 30 departures per day!! That's a severe reduction consideting it runs at 3-9 min freq now! You're left with some peak hour service and very limited off-peak service. It coincides somewhat with 99's extension to Joo Koon... Do they expect residents if St 91 & 92 to use Joo Koon instead? If so, that's ridiculous when Pioneer is right next door. Going to Joo Koon will be extremely circuitous. But it's quite strange the weekend timetable remains vastly better at 189 departures per day. Is it just a mistake? No one talked about 241 being affected?
Originally posted by SBS6465E:There is a new weekday timetable for SBS 241 from 28/11 showing only 30 departures per day!! That's a severe reduction consideting it runs at 3-9 min freq now! You're left with some peak hour service and very limited off-peak service. It coincides somewhat with 99's extension to Joo Koon... Do they expect residents if St 91 & 92 to use Joo Koon instead? If so, that's ridiculous when Pioneer is right next door. Going to Joo Koon will be extremely circuitous. But it's quite strange the weekend timetable remains vastly better at 189 departures per day. Is it just a mistake? No one talked about 241 being affected?
There's 241A.
I guess they may increase the number of trips on 241A, while they reduce the number of trips on 241.
Anyway, the loading on 241 and 241A looks promising during peak hours. I doubt they will reduce the total number of trips on 241 and 241A at Jurong West Street 91 and 92, and Pioneer Road North.
Well, if the situation becomes bad, you may want to inform your MP (who is also my MP) about it. I followed his Facebook page. Apparently, he is now doing house visits at 900+ there.
Meanwhile, today 179 once again never come on time. According to Google maps, supposed to come at 7:23am, but instead came a few minutes late, with two buses at the same time. That's minor, I know. The main issue now is not 179 already, cuz anyway 258 starting soon. The main issue now is with Pioneer MRT Station. It's so damn overcrowded in the morning. Have to queue at the entrance to take escalator up to enter station and have to queue to tap card to enter, and have to queue to take the escalator up to the platform. Well, ... what to do? Build new bridge, like Clementi station? LOL. I have to go out earlier or later lor. Otherwise what? ;)
Looking at how limited the driveway space is at Joo Koon Bus Interchange, I do not think there is space for buses to enter from two directions like how it was done at the Boon Lay Temporary Bus Interchange. Although only 99, 182 and 258 come from Upper Jurong Road, while the rest comes from Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim, I think it is best to let all bus services enter from Joo Koon Circle.
The other reason is because all bus services exit at Joo Koon Circle. Rather than let the buses entering from Benoi Road jam the buses exiting to Joo Koon Circle, as they wait for their turn to use the alighting berths, I think it's best to separate the two by letting all bus services enter from Joo Koon Circle.
Originally posted by SBS6465E:There is a new weekday timetable for SBS 241 from 28/11 showing only 30 departures per day!! That's a severe reduction consideting it runs at 3-9 min freq now! You're left with some peak hour service and very limited off-peak service. It coincides somewhat with 99's extension to Joo Koon... Do they expect residents if St 91 & 92 to use Joo Koon instead? If so, that's ridiculous when Pioneer is right next door. Going to Joo Koon will be extremely circuitous. But it's quite strange the weekend timetable remains vastly better at 189 departures per day. Is it just a mistake? No one talked about 241 being affected?
Judging by how many non-WAB trips there are, I guess it's just a mistake...
Originally posted by array88:
Judging by how many non-WAB trips there are, I guess it's just a mistake...
NO.
Originally posted by jurongresident:Manwhile, today 179 once again never come on time. According to Google maps, supposed to come at 7:23am, but instead came a few minutes late, with two buses at the same time. That's minor, I know. The main issue now is not 179 already, cuz anyway 258 starting soon. The main issue now is with Pioneer MRT Station. It's so damn overcrowded in the morning. Have to queue at the entrance to take escalator up to enter station and have to queue to tap card to enter, and have to queue to take the escalator up to the platform. Well, ... what to do? Build new bridge, like Clementi station? LOL. I have to go out earlier or later lor. Otherwise what? ;)
Will the introduction of 258 cause the diversion of some crowd (that are MRT bound) to Joo Koon Stn during AM peak, and ease the queue at Pioneer / Boon Lay?
Originally posted by jurongresident:There's 241A.
I guess they may increase the number of trips on 241A, while they reduce the number of trips on 241.
Anyway, the loading on 241 and 241A looks promising during peak hours. I doubt they will reduce the total number of trips on 241 and 241A at Jurong West Street 91 and 92, and Pioneer Road North.
Is it worth to extend 241 via JW St 93 / Upp Jurong Rd / Pioneer Rd North for the loopback, then add a G/W variant?
Originally posted by JTislittleboiboi:Hi guys... Just a add on, some of you may or may not know this but the joo koon int guides at BNL were cleared by the interchange office because of an error... They threw away most of the guides. New ones being printed
Originally posted by jurongresident:
Hi. Are you sure the flyers are being printed again? It seems more like they have been replaced with individual service guides of the new and amended bus services.
Reprinted already. Those that you see in Boon Lay Int now are the new ones with the colour of 253 corrected.