Originally posted by autumncs:Btw I have found a good place to study for my exams - Joo Koon KFC or McD.
Pioneer Mail McD quite popular place to study. Gek Poh McD also.
Nanyang CC Subway very few people, can study there. Besides, there is free WiFi (Wireless@SG) at Nanyang CC.
Btw, your exams is Poly Common-Test/Mid-Semester-Test, JC A-level or University Exam?
Originally posted by autumncs:Took svc 258 on 3491 earlier. The bus smells new, the wheel rims are shiny, and the stairs are slightly different... So exciting.
If I am not wrong, the plastic smell on new buses is due to some chemicals (eg. bromine, chlorine, lead) present in the new vehicle, which may be bad for health.
Originally posted by autumncs:In Boon Lay, it was amusing to see most people in the long queue for 243G staying in the queue when 258 arrived. I guess it takes time for people to get used to 258.
The loading on bus service 258 has been increasing. Soon, some of the loading on bus services 243G and 243W will switch to take bus service 258. Long queues on bus services 243G and 243W will soon be history.
I actually wanted to take bus service 258 to Pioneer MRT Station today, but bus service 243W arrived first. I was rushing for school (8am class), I cannot afford to wait, so I crossed the road and took bus service 243W to Boon Lay Bus Interchange instead.
Along the way, I saw a bus on bus service 258 (towards Pioneer MRT Station). There was quite a number of people. Lower deck got many people, Upper deck got a few people. There were more people today than yesterday.
Loading is increasing. I guess by the end of first month of bus service 258, the demand would be strong enough to warrant additional trips (higher frequency) during peak hours.
Originally posted by jurongresident:I actually wanted to take bus service 258 to Pioneer MRT Station today, but bus service 243W arrived first. I was rushing for school (8am class), I cannot afford to wait, so I crossed the road and took bus service 243W to Boon Lay Bus Interchange instead.
Along the way, I saw a bus on bus service 258 (towards Pioneer MRT Station). There was quite a number of people. Lower deck got many people, Upper deck got a few people. There were more people today than yesterday.
Loading is increasing. I guess by the end of first month of bus service 258, the demand would be strong enough to warrant additional trips (higher frequency) during peak hours.
Instead of just additional trips, I think SWT 258A from Boon Lay to Pioneer MRT and downroutes from Pioneer MRT to Boon Lay are more likely.
Originally posted by SBS2652G:yes by right but BCs dont bother for some services
I do know that for 73 and 83 you must get off at TPY and SKG respectively
Last time when 18 was still calling at Bedok Temp Int, with a bus stop along Bedok North Drive, you are allowed to stay on the bus at Bedok. I guess it's because many people boarded at Bedok North Dr and take beyond Bedok Temp Int. Not sure if they still allow, though.
The Estimated Travel Time for bus services 99 (new) and 258 is now published on http://www.transitlink.com.sg/!
For bus service 99 (new), the Estimated Travel Time is 85min (to Joo Koon) and 83min (to Clementi).
For bus service 258, the Estimated Travel Time is 60min.
The Timetable for bus service 258 is now available on http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/!
Every bus stop has its own timetable.
"*Scheduled timings are subject to traffic conditions. Please be at the bus stop 5 minutes earlier."
Originally posted by array88:Instead of just additional trips, I think SWT 258A from Boon Lay to Pioneer MRT and downroutes from Pioneer MRT to Boon Lay are more likely.
Well, I feel that if the people know the estimated arrival times of bus service 258 at the bus stop near their homes, they would go out at the right time and not have to wait long (beyond five minutes) for the bus to come. There is no need for additional trips to shorten waiting times.
Besides, I feel that there is spare capacity to cater for increase in loading in the future. Bus Service 258 has a fleet full of Double Decker buses, which I feel that it does not need them yet.
Additional Trips and Short-Working Trips are actually not necessary for bus service 258.
People just need to know what time the bus would arrive.
Do be prepared that the 258 will be earlier than expected due to loose schedules
Before Joo Koon Bus Interchange opened, the original total length of the ten affected bus services (99, 182, 182M, 192, 193, 194, 251, 254, 255, 257) is 251.2 km and the original total estimated travel time is 848 min.
99
Original Length = 25.6 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 128 min
182
Original Length = 37.4 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 94 min
182M
Original Length = 36.6 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 88 min
192 (to Tuas)
Original Length = 13.4 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 54 min
192 (to Boon Lay)
Original Length = 13.5 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 54 min
193 (to Tuas)
Original Length = 14.8 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 52 min
193 (to Boon Lay)
Original Length = 14.6 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 52 min
194
Original Length = 8.1 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 35 min
251
Original Length = 20.0 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 67 min
254
Original Length = 25.5 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 81 min
255
Original Length = 18.6 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 66 min
257
Original Length = 23.1 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 77 min
^ for records purpose only.
after all, one objective of Joo Koon Bus Interchange is to reduce duplication and save resources.
Originally posted by jurongresident:Well, I feel that if the people know the estimated arrival times of bus service 258 at the bus stop near their homes, they would go out at the right time and not have to wait long (beyond five minutes) for the bus to come. There is no need for additional trips to shorten waiting times.
Besides, I feel that there is already spare capacity for increase in loading. Bus Service 258 has a fleet full of Double Decker buses, which I feel that it does not need them yet.
Additional Trips and Short-Working Trips are actually not necessary for bus service 258.
People just need to know what time the bus would arrive.
You can always use an app to checked estimated bus arrival times. There are plenty.
Originally posted by azharjj:Ya
But unfortunately, SBST website, the route details state 258 as industrial
This could mean a possible amendment to the route of bus service 258 in the future.
It is either to Tuas next year when the MRT Tuas West Extension opens, or to the Bulim Industrial Estate (at Westwood) around five to twenty years later, as the current route of bus service 258 does not seem to ply any industrial area.
Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:Haish... I was at Joo Koon yst instead of alighting at Boon Lay as usual. But quite true also... 243G and 258 should be together...
If so, we might as well include bus service 181. We can have 181, 243G and 258 in the same berth, since the routes of these bus services ply the same section between Boon Lay Bus Interchange and Jurong West Street 75.
If this happens, there will be confusion among the people taking 181 to Westwood area (Jurong West Avenue 3) and people taking 243G to Pioneer Road North area.
Originally posted by jurongresident:This could mean a possible amendment to the route of bus service 258 in the future.
It is either to Tuas next year when the MRT Tuas West Extension opens, or to the Bulim Industrial Estate (at Westwood) around five to twenty years later, as the current route of bus service 258 does not seem to ply any industrial area.
I suspect (suspect only, dun condemn me) it will extend when tuas MRT extension opens
if not why 258 classfied as industrial when the route is mostly serving HDB blocks
Originally posted by azharjj:I suspect (suspect only, dun condemn me) it will extend when tuas MRT extension opens
if not why 258 classfied as industrial when the route is mostly serving HDB blocks
Exactly.
Originally posted by array88:Instead of just additional trips, I think SWT 258A from Boon Lay to Pioneer MRT and downroutes from Pioneer MRT to Boon Lay are more likely.
Have been taking bus service 258 to Pioneer MRT Station at around 7am-8am, for two days now. Apparently, most people who take bus service 258 towards Pioneer MRT Station do not alight at Pioneer MRT Station. They take it to Upper Jurong Road, and possibly to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
The former is to the industrial buildings and SAFTI, along Upper Jurong Road. The latter is to get empty seats on the MRT.
When the other bus services are amended to Joo Koon Bus Interchange, I expect the people who stay in Jurong West (Pioneer & Gek Poh) and work at Jurong Industrial Estate and Tuas to make the switch to take bus service 258.
I think they have data from way before November 2015 which suggests that a lot of people take bus from that residential area in Jurong West (Pioneer & Gek Poh) to the industrial areas in Jurong and Tuas. That's why they created this bus service 258.
This may be the reason why bus service 258 is a Jurong-Industrial bus service.
Originally posted by jurongresident:Have been taking bus service 258 to Pioneer MRT Station at around 7am-8am, for two days now. Apparently, most people who take bus service 258 towards Pioneer MRT Station do not alight at Pioneer MRT Station. They take it to Upper Jurong Road, and possibly to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
The former is to the industrial buildings and SAFTI, along Upper Jurong Road. The latter is to get empty seats on the MRT.
When the other bus services are amended to Joo Koon Bus Interchange, I expect the people who stay in Jurong West (Pioneer & Gek Poh) and work at Jurong Industrial Estate and Tuas to make the switch to take bus service 258.
I think they have data from way before November 2015 which suggests that a lot of people take bus from that residential area in Jurong West (Pioneer & Gek Poh) to the industrial areas in Jurong and Tuas. That's why they created this bus service 258.
This may be the reason why bus service 258 is a Jurong-Industrial bus service.
Now you agree on my logic for introducing sv 258 and 99 to Joo Koon =))
sv 258 route towards Pioneer/Joo Koon is fine. I think it should not have originated from Boon Lay.
IMO, they should have extended sv 49 instead to Joo Koon.
Below route:
Jurong East Interchange --> AYE --> Jurong Lake District --> st 41/42 (bi-directional) --> Jurong West Ave 1 --> Corporation Rd --> Jurong West Ave 2 --> Jurong West Ave 4 --> continue on sv 258 route to Joo Koon
Advantages:
- Connect so many HDB blocks w/ direct service to amenities/schools along older Jurong West district as well as Jurong Lake District, AYE, Jurong East.
- No advantage to have sv 258 just duplicate sv 243G/W (anyway with people traveling to Pioneer, you will have some capacity on 243G/W reduced)
Disadvantages:
I don't see any.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Now you agree on my logic for introducing sv 258 and 99 to Joo Koon =))
Service 258's average loading is very low. In fact, service 99 got better loading between Joo Koon and Pioneer MRT. People heading to Pioneer from St 81 is still taking 243G to transfer at Pioneer Road Nth.
Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Service 258's average loading is very low. In fact, service 99 got better loading between Joo Koon and Pioneer MRT. People heading to Pioneer from St 81 is still taking 243G to transfer at Pioneer Road Nth.
You sure it is very low? At minimum, it at least has around three passengers from Jurong West Street 81, 75 and 64.
Actually, after taking bus service 258 for around ten times now, I understand why it is categorised as a Jurong-Industrial Bus Service. As mentioned, it could be that they have data from long ago suggesting that a lot of people take bus from Jurong West (Pioneer and Gek Poh) to the industrial areas, that's why they created this bus service 258 and categorise it as a Jurong-Industrial bus service.
The primary objectives of bus service 258 are probably to connect the residential area with the industrial area, and to complement bus services 181 and 243G during peak hours. The bus connection to Pioneer MRT Station is probably the secondary objective.
Well, I feel that bus service 258 has the same kind of loading pattern as a typical JIS. Like the other JISes, loading is (very) high during weekday peak hours and low during other hours. I would not say it is very low, because at least it can fetch around three people during other hours, at you-know-where (street 81, 75 and 64).
I have been on at least one JIS before. It is 251. That time I went to Shipyard area to take picture. 251 also during other hours have only around three people on the bus. I think sometimes there are even no passenger, during other hours. The only time when it has high loading, it has very high loading, and it is during weekday peak hours. I think likewise for 252, 254, 255 and 257.
If want to criticise bus service 258, we should criticise the frequency. It is a JIS, yet the frequency during peak hours is not like the other JISes. During peak hours the frequency is around ten minutes. 有没有�错? :(
Originally posted by jurongresident:You sure it is very low? At minimum, it at least has around three passengers from Jurong West Street 81, 75 and 64.
Actually, after taking bus service 258 for around ten times now, I understand why it is categorised as a Jurong-Industrial Bus Service. As mentioned, it could be that they have data from long ago suggesting that a lot of people take bus from Jurong West (Pioneer and Gek Poh) to the industrial areas, that's why they created this bus service 258 and categorise it as a Jurong-Industrial bus service.
The primary objectives of bus service 258 are probably to connect the residential area with the industrial area, and to complement bus services 181 and 243G during peak hours. The bus connection to Pioneer MRT Station is probably the secondary objective.
Well, I feel that bus service 258 has the same kind of loading pattern as a typical JIS. Like the other JISes, loading is (very) high during weekday peak hours and low during other hours. I would not say it is very low, because at least it can fetch around three people during other hours, at you-know-where (street 81, 75 and 64).
I have been on at least one JIS before. It is 251. That time I went to Shipyard area to take picture. 251 also during other hours have only around three people on the bus. I think sometimes there are even no passenger, during other hours. The only time when it has high loading, it has very high loading, and it is during weekday peak hours. I think likewise for 252, 254, 255 and 257.
If want to criticise bus service 258, we should criticise the frequency. It is a JIS, yet the frequency during peak hours is not like the other JISes. During peak hours the frequency is around ten minutes. 有没有�错? :(
If 3 people is not low, then what is low loading?
Originally posted by array88:
Last time when 18 was still calling at Bedok Temp Int, with a bus stop along Bedok North Drive, you are allowed to stay on the bus at Bedok. I guess it's because many people boarded at Bedok North Dr and take beyond Bedok Temp Int. Not sure if they still allow, though.
temp ints can, ITHs cannot
Originally posted by Pervertedboy:Hi everyone. Please be reminded that this thread is about Joo Koon Bus Interchange. It is not only about one or two bus services.
If there is nothing to discuss at the moment, I think it is better to not write anything here. I do not think it is wise to dilute the content by going off-topic and write extensively on bus service 258.
Five years ago when we were discussing about the opening of the new Boon Lay Air-Conditioned Bus Interchange, we severely diluted the last thread with personal attacks. Although that thread had eight hundred over postings, only some are really about the bus interchange.
Let us not make the same mistake here.
I rather we have the quality, rather than the quantity.
The second phase of the opening of Joo Koon Bus Interchange is this Saturday, 28 November 2015.
Existing bus services 182, 182M, 192, 193 and 257 will have their routes amended, while new bus service 256 will be introduced.
Let us discuss about it, shall we?
By the way the loading analysis of these services can go in the "loading level of buses" discussion.
Okay guys. This is it. Today is the last day Boon Lay Bus Interchange has the most number of bus services (33 + 1 added last week) in Singapore.
After today, it will have two less bus services, effectively making it have the same number of bus services as Bedok Bus Interchange (32).
Two weeks later, there will be another two less bus services at Boon Lay, effectively making it have the same number of bus services as Woodlands Bus Interhange (30).
but it will still be quite a large bus interchange in Singapore though. :|