Joo Koon Bus Interchange
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Okay guys. This is it. Today is the last day Boon Lay Bus Interchange has the most number of bus services (33 + 1 added last week) in Singapore.
After today, it will have two less bus services, effectively making it have the same number of bus services as Bedok Bus Interchange (32).
Two weeks later, there will be another two less bus services at Boon Lay, effectively making it have the same number of bus services as Woodlands Bus Interhange (30).
but it will still be quite a large bus interchange in Singapore though. :|
funny...someone's clone just say that this topic is about Joo Koon interchange, and yet his main account is talking about Boon Lay Interchange here......
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
funny...someone's clone just say that this topic is about Joo Koon interchange, and yet his main account is talking about Boon Lay Interchange here......
Hahahaha,I realised it too brother.
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Originally posted by Pervertedboy:
Hi everyone. Please be reminded that this thread is about Joo Koon Bus Interchange. It is not only about one or two bus services.
If there is nothing to discuss at the moment, I think it is better to not write anything here. I do not think it is wise to dilute the content by going off-topic and write extensively on bus service 258.
Five years ago when we were discussing about the opening of the new Boon Lay Air-Conditioned Bus Interchange, we severely diluted the last thread with personal attacks. Although that thread had eight hundred over postings, only some are really about the bus interchange.
Let us not make the same mistake here.
I rather we have the quality, rather than the quantity.
The second phase of the opening of Joo Koon Bus Interchange is this Saturday, 28 November 2015.
Existing bus services 182, 182M, 192, 193 and 257 will have their routes amended, while new bus service 256 will be introduced.
Let us discuss about it, shall we?I believe what Pervertedboy meant is that we stop talking about bus service 258. He never say cannot talk about other bus interchanges.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
I believe what Pervertedboy meant is that we stop talking about bus service 258. He never say cannot talk about other bus interchanges.
My friend - everyone here knows that Perverted Boy, Jurong West Resident, Jurong Resident are the same user. You had acknowledged this before as well. That's why Lemon has made this statement. It's very amusing. I have told you before also it is just super strange that you type a message and reply to it with another user name.
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What's the situation / loading like for Phase 2 today?
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I know this may offend some people... but, really,
There is so much inconvenience caused as a result of bus services amended or shortened to Joo Koon Bus Interchange!
Firstly, Jurong West residents last time only need to take feeder to Boon Lay and take the bus to their work place. Now, they have to take 258 (which is not frequent) or 99, to Joo Koon and take bus from Joo Koon to their workplace. It's worse if they stay elsewhere in Jurong West (ie. Boon Lay and Wenya). The travel time is actually longer.
Secondly, the direct bus connection between Boon Lay Bus Interchange and the Singapore Discovery Centre is gone. :(
Actually, I feel that they could have done something else, instead of creating this Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
They could have retained the temporary facility of Boon Lay Bus Interchange and used it for the industrial bus services. That is, if the objective is to reduce the number of bus services and improve traffic flow at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
There is another objective which would also be met, but due to the sensitive nature of it (about foreign talent), I shall not write about it.
Anyway, what has been done is permanent. We can only accept it, and deal with it.
Suggestions:
- Improve the frequency of bus service 258, to match the frequency of other Jurong-Industrial bus services.
- Re-route 192 to ply the entire stretch of Upper Jurong Road, and use the Pan-Island Expressway to connect to Tuas Road, and continue as per current routing. Anyway, there is 193 at Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim. This also reduces duplication.
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Wright 3481 3483 3485 and citaro 6597 still undeployed. Parked at joo koon int the same spot
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
I know this may offend some people... but, really,
There is so much inconvenience caused as a result of bus services amended or shortened to Joo Koon Bus Interchange!
Firstly, Jurong West residents last time only need to take feeder to Boon Lay and take the bus to their work place. Now, they have to take 258 (which is not frequent) or 99, to Joo Koon and take bus from Joo Koon to their workplace. It's worse if they stay elsewhere in Jurong West (ie. Boon Lay and Wenya). The travel time is actually longer.
Secondly, the direct bus connection between Boon Lay Bus Interchange and the Singapore Discovery Centre is gone. :(
Solution: Extend Route 172 to JK via Boon Lay Way, Pioneer Road North, Pan-Island Expressway, Upper Jurong Road and Benoi Road.
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Originally posted by iveco:
Solution: Extend Route 172 to JK via Boon Lay Way, Pioneer Road North, Pan-Island Expressway, Upper Jurong Road and Benoi Road.
Alternatively, just extend 256 via 182's route to Tuas Term. This benefits those going to Tuas Checkpoint as well. 182 can then be shortened to Tuas Term when MRT Tuas Extension opens next year.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
My friend - everyone here knows that Perverted Boy, Jurong West Resident, Jurong Resident are the same user. You had acknowledged this before as well. That's why Lemon has made this statement. It's very amusing. I have told you before also it is just super strange that you type a message and reply to it with another user name.
Seriously, why need do this thing? Ownself ask and ownself reply? Really nothing better to do! Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Seriously, why need do this thing? Ownself ask and ownself reply? Really nothing better to do! Cheers. Thanks.
Seriously why we need to bother about him anyway?I had enough of those so called clones
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Originally posted by iveco:
Solution: Extend Route 172 to JK via Boon Lay Way, Pioneer Road North, Pan-Island Expressway, Upper Jurong Road and Benoi Road.
Why not let the route of bus service 172 take the shorter path, by plying Upper Jurong Road straightaway. It could ply to the roundabout at the intersection of PIE and AYE, and return in the opposite direction.
To optimise resources, we could let only the "to Boon Lay" direction of bus service 172 ply to the PIE/AYE roundabout and return to terminate at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
To minimise inconvenience caused, we could let the bus call at Boon Lay Bus Interchange first, before making the extended trip to the PIE/AYE roundabout and return back to terminate. A separate boarding queue (ie. 172 - to Singapore Discovery Centre) can be created at Boon Lay Bus Interchange for this purpose.
The other direction ("to Choa Chu Kang") can continue as per current routing.
Alternatively, we could create a new bus service for this, or simply amend the route of bus service 192 to provide this - or even revert the original route of bus service 182.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Alternatively, just extend 256 via 182's route to Tuas Term. This benefits those going to Tuas Checkpoint as well. 182 can then be shortened to Tuas Term when MRT Tuas Extension opens next year.
Not everyone who takes bus service 256 to Joo Koon Bus Interchange transfers to bus service 182/182M. There are other bus services which people transfer to, like 253, 254, 255 and 257.
Also, the ammendment on bus service 182/182M to terminate at Joo Koon instead of Boon Lay has already resulted in longer journey times for residents of Jurong West, who previously only had to take feeder and transfer to the bus service 182/182M at Boon Lay.
If we amend the bus service 182/182M to terminate at Tuas instead of Joo Koon, everyone would have to take the MRT to Tuas Link station, before transferring to the bus service. I am not sure if this would shorten or lengthen the journey times.
I agree that some bus services should be amended to complement the Tuas West MRT Extension to shorten journey times, as currently there is traffic congestion problem at Tuas Road and at roads leading to Tuas Road. However, this concerns bus services 192 and 193, not bus services 182 and 182M.
Even if we amend the routes of bus services 192 and 193, they should still call at Boon Lay Bus Interchange, or at least at Joo Koon Bus Interchange. This is so that residents staying along the routes of bus services 192 and 193 at Jurong West would not be inconvenienced as they can continue to have the direct bus connection.
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Originally posted by azharjj:
Wright 3481 3483 3485 and citaro 6597 still undeployed. Parked at joo koon int the same spot
Of the three new bus services at Joo Koon Bus Interchange, only bus service 253 is not yet launched.
I suppose the three Wright buses and that one Citaro bus not yet deployed (as of yesterday, 29 November 2015) is reserved for bus service 253.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Seriously, why need do this thing? Ownself ask and ownself reply? Really nothing better to do! Cheers. Thanks.
let him go entertain himself lah..... now it is school holidays....
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
let him go entertain himself lah..... now it is school holidays....
Thank you.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Not everyone who takes bus service 256 to Joo Koon Bus Interchange transfers to bus service 182/182M. There are other bus services which people transfer to, like 253, 254, 255 and 257.
Also, the ammendment on bus service 182/182M to terminate at Joo Koon instead of Boon Lay has already resulted in longer journey times for residents of Jurong West, who previously only had to take feeder and transfer to the bus service 182/182M at Boon Lay.
If we amend the bus service 182/182M to terminate at Tuas instead of Joo Koon, everyone would have to take the MRT to Tuas Link station, before transferring to the bus service. I am not sure if this would shorten or lengthen the journey times.
I agree that some bus services should be amended to complement the Tuas West MRT Extension to shorten journey times, as currently there is traffic congestion problem at Tuas Road and at roads leading to Tuas Road. However, this concerns bus services 192 and 193, not bus services 182 and 182M.
Even if we amend the routes of bus services 192 and 193, they should still call at Boon Lay Bus Interchange, or at least at Joo Koon Bus Interchange. This is so that residents staying along the routes of bus services 192 and 193 at Jurong West would not be inconvenienced as they can continue to have the direct bus connection.
You do have a point on 182 being less convenient to transfer to - but at the same time, some Jurong West services have been introduced / modified precisely to allow a direct bus to Joo Koon Int / Benoi Rd, namely 99, 192, 193, 256 and 258, for such a transfer to be less of a hassle. Currently the problem is that their frequency is not as good as the Boon Lay feeders. You have also mentioned this in an earlier post.
Notwithstanding that however, extending 256 to Tuas does indeed repair the link between Tuas checkpoint / Pasir Laba camp and Boon Lay. Perhaps any further route adjustments from Joo Koon to Tuas will come only after the integration of the MRT / bus terminal and enhancement to the services between Tuas Terminal and Jurong West. In time we'll see about that.
Do you have any other comments with regards to my suggestion on the Tuas West route changes? In particular 192 and 254? (Can answer there if you prefer, this thread isn't exactly related to that topic)
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hopefully bnl interchange's jam will be relieved a bit as Joo Koon opened, anyone knows the # of berths, and # of parking lots in the int (joo koon)
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
I know this may offend some people... but, really,
There is so much inconvenience caused as a result of bus services amended or shortened to Joo Koon Bus Interchange!
Firstly, Jurong West residents last time only need to take feeder to Boon Lay and take the bus to their work place. Now, they have to take 258 (which is not frequent) or 99, to Joo Koon and take bus from Joo Koon to their workplace. It's worse if they stay elsewhere in Jurong West (ie. Boon Lay and Wenya). The travel time is actually longer.
Secondly, the direct bus connection between Boon Lay Bus Interchange and the Singapore Discovery Centre is gone. :(
Actually, I feel that they could have done something else, instead of creating this Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
They could have retained the temporary facility of Boon Lay Bus Interchange and used it for the industrial bus services. That is, if the objective is to reduce the number of bus services and improve traffic flow at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
There is another objective which would also be met, but due to the sensitive nature of it (about foreign talent), I shall not write about it.
Anyway, what has been done is permanent. We can only accept it, and deal with it.
Suggestions:
- Improve the frequency of bus service 258, to match the frequency of other Jurong-Industrial bus services.
- Re-route 192 to ply the entire stretch of Upper Jurong Road, and use the Pan-Island Expressway to connect to Tuas Road, and continue as per current routing. Anyway, there is 193 at Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim. This also reduces duplication.
But really, since the opening of Joo Koon MRT Station on 28 February 2009 there is a need to have a bus interchange in the first place at Joo Koon, which will be considered an integrated transport hub if that's mattered, and the only way for reducing congestion at Boon Lay Bus Interchange. The MRT is there, because it is a fast, good and convenient alternative. The only target is Jurong Industrial and Tuas workers, Tuas West Road (I know Joel Chua will be moving here if he is in SP), and Jurong West residents.
The integrated transport hub is called FairPrice Hub, or Joo Koon Mall.
The direct connection has been encouraging commuters to take the train to Joo Koon and walk to Singapore Discovery Centre, SAFTI Military Institute and Pasir Laba Camp, all these amenities, localities or hostilities are located nearby.
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This thread started on 05 Dec `13, 9:45PM.
Two years on, it has received more than six hundred and sixty responses, across more than twenty six pages.
Thank you for your support.
As the new bus interchange fully opens next week, discussions has wind down. Soon, we will close this thread.
This is probably the last time we have a thread which discusses only one bus interchange/terminal, until next time when nobody talks about bus interchange/terminal and there is a new bus interchange/terminal to talk about.
Before we close this thread, I feel that perhaps we should talk about the future.
Since this thread is about Joo Koon Bus Interchange, it is the future of Joo Koon Bus Interchange and the bus services in the Jurong Industrial Estate that I am referring to.
- Could the new Tuas Bus Terminal take away some of the bus services at Joo Koon Bus Interchange? If yes, could there be more bus services transferred from Boon Lay Bus Interchange to Joo Koon Bus Interchange?
- The Jurong-Industrial bus services appears to be a loss-making business, yet it has to be provided for bus connections. Are there ways to reduce the losses?
- How do you think the bus services at Joo Koon Bus Interchange could be packaged for the Government Contracting Model (GCM)?
- By around year 2030, there will be a new MRT line (Cross Island Line) along the south of the Jurong Industrial Estate. By around year 2025, there will be a new MRT line (Jurong Region Line) along Jalan Boon Lay. How could the bus routes in the Jurong Industrial Estate be amended to connect to the two new MRT lines?
- During the National Day Rally in year 2014, it was revealed that the southern section of Jurong West (Planning Area) will be re-developed for residential uses, over the next twenty to thirty years. How could this affect the bus routes in the Jurong Industrial Estate and Jurong West?
Let us end this thread by discussing about the future.
For a better tomorrow. :)
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I really hope that all the MRT/LRT lines will be tendered..
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still got 1 more phase to go.
MRT lines to be tendered? Will we be seeing MTR and/or Keolis running our train system?
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Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen,
I see that the discussions are over about the Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
Thank you Pervertedboy, JurongWestresident and jurongresident for constantly keeping this thread alive, even at times when nobody wants to discuss about the Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
Thank you all for the support and participation.
I think we all agree that the time has come to call upon the moderators of this forum to lock this thread.
Moderators, please lock this thread.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Yours Sincerely,
One-Punch Man
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Originally posted by One-Punch Man:
Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen,
I see that the discussions are over about the Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
Thank you Pervertedboy, JurongWestresident and jurongresident for constantly keeping this thread alive, even at times when nobody wants to discuss about the Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
Thank you all for the support and participation.
I think we all agree that the time has come to call upon the moderators of this forum to lock this thread.
Moderators, please lock this thread.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Yours Sincerely,
One-Punch Man
you have no style. Come up with something original rather than mimicking someone who has little credibility.
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Originally posted by One-Punch Man:
Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen,
I see that the discussions are over about the Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
Thank you Pervertedboy, JurongWestresident and jurongresident for constantly keeping this thread alive, even at times when nobody wants to discuss about the Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
Thank you all for the support and participation.
I think we all agree that the time has come to call upon the moderators of this forum to lock this thread.
Moderators, please lock this thread.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Yours Sincerely,
One-Punch Man
i am very sorry
it's not over yet as it still has the last phase, phase 3 this saturday