Joo Koon Bus Interchange
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well, I think when deciding which routes to change and which to remain, the key consideration is on the distance - on the assumption that the people working in Tuas/Pioneer (planning area) all stay in areas east of Pioneer (planning area).
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Personally, I feel that the bus network currently at Tuas, Pioneer and Boon Lay (planning areas) is not effective - evident from the regular peak hour traffic congestion. With the Tuas MRT line coming along, there has to be bus rationalisation at Tuas area, with a new set of bus services in Tuas, Pioneer and Boon Lay (planning areas).
In my opinion, I think the new set of bus services will consists of peak hour bus services (PHBS) and "trunk" bus services.
- # The peak hour bus services (PHBS) will operate only during peak hours and run between the MRT stations and industrial area, to serve as last/first leg of public transport for people working there.
- # Similar to service 42 at Kembangan MRT Station, each PHBS will loop inside one/two industrial area(s) and go to a MRT station. They will not go to any bus interchange or terminal.
- # PHBSs goes into (along the minor roads) industrial areas.
- # Since there are seven MRT stations (Tuas Link, Tuas West Road, Tuas Crescent, Gul Circle, Joo Koon, Pioneer & Boon Lay), there should be around 7-14 such bus services, with 1-2 of them per MRT station.
- % The "trunk" bus services will operate throughout the day and run along the main roads of Tuas, Pioneer and Boon Lay (planning areas), to provide bus connection to other parts of Singapore (including from Tuas to Joo Koon).
- % These shall be the only bus services in Tuas/Pioneer&Boon Lay (planning area) during off-peak hours when the demand for bus services there is low.
- % "trunk"s goes around (along the main roads)(without going in) industrial areas.
- % Tuas's "trunk" shall be those serving west of Benoi Road, whereas those serving east of Benoi Road shall be Pioneer and Boon Lay (Planning areas)' "trunk".
- % All "trunk"s shall originate from Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
- % Tuas's "trunk" may either end at Tuas Bus Terminal or loop somewhere in Tuas.
- % Pioneer and Boon Lay (planning areas)' "trunk" may end at any other bus interchange (eg. Boon Lay, Jurong East, etc.) or loop anywhere.
mmm... sorry to say, but I think your article is a bit theoretical/not practical. if we have it your way, we will have a bus connection that is weaker than what is already there today.
- nontheless, I agree that all bus services west of Benoi Road shall be Tuas's bus services.
- 182, 192, 193, 251, 252, 254, 255 and 257's current route at west of Benoi Road should be split at Benoi Road and go to Joo Koon Bus Interchange. (254 should be adjusted to go to Tuas Crescent MRT)
- The other part (at east of Benoi Road) of their routes would become new bus services.
- 192's other part should remain largely the same, except
- before Pioneer Road North, it goes along Jurong West Street 61 and 63 (Pioneer MRT) - to skip peak hour jam and provide bus connectivity to MRT for a few groups of people.
- after Boon Lay Way, it should turn into Kian Teck Way, loop around it and enter Lok Yang via Kian Teck Avenue-First Lok Yang Road.
- people in Kian Teck and Lok Yang will have access to Pioneer MRT.
- 252's other part should be extended to serve Neythal Road, since now it has been shortened. The remaining part of the route shall remain the same.
- 193's other part should be replaced entirely by the Joo Koon-Bukit Panjang bus service that was suggested yesterday at 'Route Suggestions (Part 5)'.
- 182's other part would become rather redundant after the split. so we should just delete it.
- 251's other part can be re-routed to ply 182's section and use Pioneer Road North to enter Pioneer Road. After Shipyard Road, it can use Pioneer Road to loop back to Pioneer Road North. No need to go to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
- this will duplicate and replace the other part of 254.
- now, 251's other part express along Jalan Boon Lay (which experiences traffic congestion during peak hours) and serves only Jurong Bird Park before going to Pioneer Road.
- so might as well re-route it to go shorter route while avoid the jam.
- personally, I think having 194 to Jurong Bird Park is enough.
- 255's other part could simply loop at Benoi Sector, Benoi Road and return to Pioneer Road North via Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim. No need to go to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
- This will duplicate and replace the other part of 257.
- To compensate the loss of connection to Pioneer MRT from Jurong West Street 62, the other part of 255 could ply St61,62 and 64 after Pioneer MRT.
- People staying along Boon Lay Way would have the other part of 251. So no need for this other part of 255 to ply Jurong West Street 63 (after MRT).
In short, I think
- i) there will be eleven bus services at Joo Koon Bus Interchange - consisting of 182, 192, 193, 251, 252, 254, 255, 257 and three (two from 192 and 252) new services.
- since a standard sawtooth berth can have three bus services, I guess JK is designed for 12-15 bus services and there is provision for around 1-4 new bus services in future. (assuming JK only has sawtooth and no end-on)
- ii) 251, 255 and two new services (from 192 and 252) will call at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
- iii) 182, 193, 254 and 257 will have their other parts replaced and deleted, no longer calling at Boon Lay Bus Interchange - Boon Lay Bus Interchange will have four less services.
I do not think any non-JIS from Boon Lay, Jurong East or any bus interchange elsewhere should be extended to Joo Koon Bus Interchange, since this will only increase the distance and may result in more consequences than benefits.
Nonetheless, we can create a new service - running between Jurong East and Joo Koon - to serve areas (eg. between Boon Lay MRT and Lakeside MRT) that currently do not have any bus service.
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I remember when service 49 was introduced, there were some suggestions in this forum to extend 49 to Joo Koon Int once it's opened..
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Originally posted by array88:
I remember when service 49 was introduced, there were some suggestions in this forum to extend 49 to Joo Koon Int once it's opened..
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Yes there was, but highly unlikely as I don't see the advantage.Why not?
Benefit some of the workers, benefit BC, and air-con int
There may even be a NTUC supermarket in the warehouse building itself... but I'm not very sure lah hehe
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
You sound like LTA spokesperson Mr Jurongwestresident77..
that pervertedboi is lonely so he created a clone mr jurongwestresident to talk to himself....
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
that pervertedboi is lonely so he created a clone mr jurongwestresident to talk to himself....
Thank god, there is someone else apart from me who realized this... It is really scary how he talks to himself through two different accounts, and is so naive to use the same writing style and arguments from both accounts. Long long essays! -
I hope after Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens, at least 3 service from Boon Lay would be brought over. A big bus stop should be created on the traffic junction along Jurong West St 64(near bus stop Opp 662C).
This allow passengers to connect to Bus interchange/Shopping Mall/MRT, bus service can loop and terminate elsewhere(if possible) and also for 240P to gain better enhancement(Of cus svc 240 must be the berth closest to the bus stop outside.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Thank god, there is someone else apart from me who realized this... It is really scary how he talks to himself through two different accounts, and is so naive to use the same writing style and arguments from both accounts. Long long essays!A few people over the route suggestions should know...at least there is someone who is able to spill the beans in place of him directly. Furthermore there are obvious evidence to prove it...click their names and you will know why.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Thank god, there is someone else apart from me who realized this... It is really scary how he talks to himself through two different accounts, and is so naive to use the same writing style and arguments from both accounts. Long long essays![off-topic]
same arguments? where got same?
Mr Pervertedboy most of the time oppose whatever I write de.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
I hope after Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens, at least 3 service from Boon Lay would be brought over. A big bus stop should be created on the traffic junction along Jurong West St 64(near bus stop Opp 662C).
This allow passengers to connect to Bus interchange/Shopping Mall/MRT, bus service can loop and terminate elsewhere(if possible) and also for 240P to gain better enhancement(Of cus svc 240 must be the berth closest to the bus stop outside.
you mean like 187 which goes around Bukit Batok Bus Interchange along the southern perimeters (going straight towards B. Gombak instead of BB Int at Ave3 junction) ?
but there is Boon Lay Way in the way. last time the section of Boon Lay Way at that area was always congested with buses during peak hours. it was after Joo Koon MRT opened that the congestion problem was resolved.
I think there can only be new bus services at the bus stop beside the temporary bus int site at street 64 if there are bus services edited to skip that section of Boon Lay Way.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Thank god, there is someone else apart from me who realized this... It is really scary how he talks to himself through two different accounts, and is so naive to use the same writing style and arguments from both accounts. Long long essays!Do you have concrete evidence to prove this?
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
that pervertedboi is lonely so he created a clone mr jurongwestresident to talk to himself....
also I strongly believe that pervertedboy aka jurongwestresident is wikipedia user 'Allkayloh' who messed up some of those Jurong related wikipedia articles.
This is one of the example of the mess and nonsenses written by him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gek_Poh_Ville
'Yunnan' can only refers to the private estate near Jurong West Street 93 not the entire Jurong West Neighbourhoods 6, 7, 8 and 9 and I don't think there are anyone who refers to the HDB estates as 'Yunnan' except him
And his name is Andrew Loh http://www.blogskins.com/me/allkayloh
http://sgforums.com/forums/1279/topics/383453?page=10
And according to the above link dated 2009, a user 'jurongresident' (what a 'concidence lol') claims that he is 'allkayloh' and if you look at the user's history you can see posts in which he is giving suggestions for Boon Lay's feeder services.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Do you have concrete evidence to prove this?
You need common sense!! Which thankfully at least 3-4 forumers here have! -
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Originally posted by SBS8131D:also I strongly believe that pervertedboy aka jurongwestresident is wikipedia user 'Allkayloh' who messed up some of those Jurong related wikipedia articles.
This is one of the example of the mess and nonsenses written by him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gek_Poh_Ville
'Yunnan' can only refers to the private estate near Jurong West Street 93 not the entire Jurong West Neighbourhoods 6, 7, 8 and 9 and I don't think there are anyone who refers to the HDB estates as 'Yunnan' except him
And his name is Andrew Loh http://www.blogskins.com/me/allkayloh
http://sgforums.com/forums/1279/topics/383453?page=10
And according to the above link dated 2009, a user 'jurongresident' (what a 'coincidence lol') claims that he is 'allkayloh' and if you look at the user's history you can see posts in which he is giving suggestions for Boon Lay's feeder services.
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- well,
- regarding the wiki articles, there used to be two articles (Nanyang and Gek Poh), but in 2012/3, I merged the two articles into 'Yunnan' and created a new article named 'Wenya'.
- This was done after I saw the URA map showing planning areas and subzones, and realised there was kind of a misunderstanding that everyone (most people) in JW area has.
- Personally, I feel that things make more sense when I found out that 'Gek Poh', 'Nanyang' and 'St 93' is actually all 'Yunnan'.
- for instance, it makes more sense that the neighborhood centre for st82 ppl is Gek Poh Shopping Centre (at st75), instead of Nanyang Neighborhood Centre (at st91), although they stay in 'Nanyang' ward of Chua Chu Kang GRC and Gek Poh SC is in Hong Kah North SMC.
- Nanyang NC is actually for people staying in western part of 'Yunnan', whereas Gek Poh SC is actually for people staying in the eastern part.
@SBS8131D, thanks for reminding me I had an account in blogskins. That was like so long ago and I had actually forgotten all about it.
To all those who are here since many years ago, thank you for accompanying me through the years, watching me grow up and witnessing how the comments I made became more logical (and shorter) over the years and months. I will continue to improve and be a better forum user.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Do you have concrete evidence to prove this?
As I mentioned, there is already concrete evidence...if common sense won't convince you.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
As I mentioned, there is already concrete evidence...if common sense won't convince you.
True.. Just click on jurongwestresident and you will see the description.. He himself admits he does not want to use 'pervertedboy' I'd anymore but has forgotten himself. Now he replies to his other account as if they are different ppl.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:As I mentioned, there is already concrete evidence...if common sense won't convince you.
@Gus.chong Yes, there is concrete evidence. @SBS8131D posted some of them here yesterday. I acknowledged them.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:True.. Just click on jurongwestresident and you will see the description.. He himself admits he does not want to use 'pervertedboy' I'd anymore but has forgotten himself. Now he replies to his other account as if they are different ppl.
@BusAnalayzer May I apologise to you for the stunt I have been playing using the two accounts. I was trying to portray two different characters with different mindsets who give different views. Though it is a stunt, I'm sure you would agree with me that it has added life to the forum threads. Nonetheless, I am sorry for irritating you, and offending you with the ignorant reply I made yesterday.Originally posted by JurongWestresident:[off-topic]
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same arguments? where got same?
Mr Pervertedboy most of the time oppose whatever I write de.
Just to clarify, the part in my profile where I admitted was only added yesterday. I have been using this account ever since. I will not use the obscene name again.
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well, enough of going Off-Topic.
we were previously on
Originally posted by TIB429E:I hope after Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens, at least 3 service from Boon Lay would be brought over. A big bus stop should be created on the traffic junction along Jurong West St 64(near bus stop Opp 662C).
This allow passengers to connect to Bus interchange/Shopping Mall/MRT, bus service can loop and terminate elsewhere(if possible) and also for 240P to gain better enhancement(Of cus svc 240 must be the berth closest to the bus stop outside.
where my reply was
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:you mean like 187 which goes around Bukit Batok Bus Interchange along the southern perimeters (going straight towards B. Gombak instead of BB Int at Ave3 junction) ?
but there is Boon Lay Way in the way. last time the section of Boon Lay Way at that area was always congested with buses during peak hours. it was after Joo Koon MRT opened that the congestion problem was resolved.
I think there can only be new bus services at the bus stop beside the temporary bus int site at street 64 if there are bus services edited to skip that section of Boon Lay Way.
let's carry on from there.
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by the way, according to www.reach.gov.sg/, the LTA says that they are "reviewing the bus network in Tuas and this network will be restructured in tandem with the developments there."
as mentioned earlier
Originally posted by Pervertedboy:well, I think when deciding which routes to change and which to remain, the key consideration is on the distance - on the assumption that the people working in Tuas/Pioneer (planning area) all stay in areas east of Pioneer (planning area).
- 182, 192, 193, 251, 252, 254, 255 and 257's current route at west of Benoi Road should be split at Benoi Road and go to Joo Koon Bus Interchange. (254 should be adjusted to go to Tuas Crescent MRT)
- The other part (at east of Benoi Road) of their routes would become new bus services.
- 192's other part should remain largely the same, except
- before Pioneer Road North, it goes along Jurong West Street 61 and 63 (Pioneer MRT) - to skip peak hour jam and provide bus connectivity to MRT for a few groups of people.
- after Boon Lay Way, it should turn into Kian Teck Way, loop around it and enter Lok Yang via Kian Teck Avenue-First Lok Yang Road.
- people in Kian Teck and Lok Yang will have access to Pioneer MRT.
- 252's other part should be extended to serve Neythal Road, since now it has been shortened. The remaining part of the route shall remain the same.
- 193's other part should be replaced entirely by the Joo Koon-Bukit Panjang bus service that was suggested yesterday at 'Route Suggestions (Part 5)'.
- 182's other part would become rather redundant after the split. so we should just delete it.
- 251's other part can be re-routed to ply 182's section and use Pioneer Road North to enter Pioneer Road. After Shipyard Road, it can use Pioneer Road to loop back to Pioneer Road North. No need to go to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
- this will duplicate and replace the other part of 254.
- now, 251's other part express along Jalan Boon Lay (which experiences traffic congestion during peak hours) and serves only Jurong Bird Park before going to Pioneer Road.
- so might as well re-route it to go shorter route while avoid the jam.
- personally, I think having 194 to Jurong Bird Park is enough.
- 255's other part could simply loop at Benoi Sector, Benoi Road and return to Pioneer Road North via Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim. No need to go to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
- This will duplicate and replace the other part of 257.
- To compensate the loss of connection to Pioneer MRT from Jurong West Street 62, the other part of 255 could ply St61,62 and 64 after Pioneer MRT.
- People staying along Boon Lay Way would have the other part of 251. So no need for this other part of 255 to ply Jurong West Street 63 (after MRT).
In short, I think
- i) there will be eleven bus services at Joo Koon Bus Interchange - consisting of 182, 192, 193, 251, 252, 254, 255, 257 and three (two from 192 and 252) new services.
- since a standard sawtooth berth can have three bus services, I guess JK is designed for 12-15 bus services and there is provision for around 1-4 new bus services in future. (assuming JK only has sawtooth and no end-on)
- ii) 251, 255 and two new services (from 192 and 252) will call at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
- iii) 182, 193, 254 and 257 will have their other parts replaced and deleted, no longer calling at Boon Lay Bus Interchange - Boon Lay Bus Interchange will have four less services.
I do not think any non-JIS from Boon Lay, Jurong East or any bus interchange elsewhere should be extended to Joo Koon Bus Interchange, since this will only increase the distance and may result in more consequences than benefits.
Nonetheless, we can create a new service - running between Jurong East and Joo Koon - to serve areas (eg. between Boon Lay MRT and Lakeside MRT) that currently do not have any bus service.
, I think the restructuring would be
- split services at Benoi Road to divert them to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
- adjust the other parts to improve connectivity.
- adjust a little bit to the services west of Benoi Road, to serve Tuas Crescent MRT Station.
- it is amazing how there are already good bus connections to Gul Circle, Tuas West Road and Tuas Link.
- It seems that when LTA planned the MRT extension, they added stations along points where bus services intersect.
- Only Tuas Crescent MRT Station does not have bus services intersecting it.
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
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@Gus.chong Yes, there is concrete evidence. @SBS8131D posted some of them here yesterday. I acknowledged them.
@BusAnalayzer May I apologise to you for the stunt I have been playing using the two accounts. I was trying to portray two different characters with different mindsets who give different views. Though it is a stunt, I'm sure you would agree with me that it has added life to the forum threads. Nonetheless, I am sorry for irritating you, and offending you with the ignorant reply I made yesterday.Just to clarify, the part in my profile where I admitted was only added yesterday. I have been using this account ever since. I will not use the obscene name again.
[End of Off-Topic]
Appreciate your honesty!
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
by the way, according to www.reach.gov.sg/, the LTA says that they are "reviewing the bus network in Tuas and this network will be restructured in tandem with the developments there."
as mentioned earlier
, I think the restructuring would be
- split services at Benoi Road to divert them to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
- adjust the other parts to improve connectivity.
- adjust a little bit to the services west of Benoi Road, to serve Tuas Crescent MRT Station.
- it is amazing how there are already good bus connections to Gul Circle, Tuas West Road and Tuas Link.
- It seems that when LTA planned the MRT extension, they added stations along points where bus services intersect.
- Only Tuas Crescent MRT Station does not have bus services intersecting it.
A (random) idea will be to swap 192 and 193 route after Tuas Rd
192 will be
Route to Tuas Rd, Tuas Rd, Ave 5, 2, Pioneer Rd (Tues Cres MRT), Tuas Ave 4, 1, continue to Tuas
193 will be
Route to Tuas Rd, Tuas Rd, Ave 3, 1, 4, 3, 2, Pioneer Rd (Tuas Cres MRT), Tuas Ave 4, 9, continue to Tuas
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
A (random) idea will be to swap 192 and 193 route after Tuas Rd
192 will be
Route to Tuas Rd, Tuas Rd, Ave 5, 2, Pioneer Rd (Tues Cres MRT), Tuas Ave 4, 1, continue to Tuas
193 will be
Route to Tuas Rd, Tuas Rd, Ave 3, 1, 4, 3, 2, Pioneer Rd (Tuas Cres MRT), Tuas Ave 4, 9, continue to Tuas
If you give such ideas, please put below 2-3 justifying points...
otherwise the post is as good as the thrash in the toilet
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
If you give such ideas, please put below 2-3 justifying points...
otherwise the post is as good as the thrash in the toilet
Cause using the iPad to reply makes it very buggy for me to use the forums.
The idea is to connect those around the roads mentioned to Tuas Cres MRT. But 192's current route prevents it from connecting it to the station. So by swapping the two routes at Tuas Rd and Ave 4 will cause the two routes to cross at a certain point, which in this case, is the MRT station. This is also in-line with LTA's Hub and Spoke policy (Not a fan of it). The issue is that the upcoming viaduct along Pioneer Rd may cause problems with the junction.
Quick question, should 255 serve Gul MRT before going to Gul, or go from Joo Koon straight? Which is better?
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
Cause using the iPad to reply makes it very buggy for me to use the forums.
The idea is to connect those around the roads mentioned to Tuas Cres MRT. But 192's current route prevents it from connecting it to the station. So by swapping the two routes at Tuas Rd and Ave 4 will cause the two routes to cross at a certain point, which in this case, is the MRT station. This is also in-line with LTA's Hub and Spoke policy (Not a fan of it). The issue is that the upcoming viaduct along Pioneer Rd may cause problems with the junction.
Quick question, should 255 serve Gul MRT before going to Gul, or go from Joo Koon straight? Which is better?
Distance wise, it is better to connect directly to Joo Koon instead.
Rather than go west to Gul Circle station via bus and go east to Joo Koon station (and beyond) via MRT, might as well go straight West to Joo Koon station and take MRT from there.
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Land Transport Authority of Singapore. 2014. New Bedok Integrated Transport Hub To Open In Fourth Quarter 2014. [News Release]. [Accessed 6 July 2014]. Available from: http://app.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=ace85914-9005-483e-94f1-76120f8289db
Another three ITHs are currently under construction at Joo Koon, Bukit Panjang and Yishun in tandem with redevelopment in the respective areas. Joo Koon and Bukit Panjang ITHs are scheduled to be completed in 2015 and Yishun ITH in 2018.
well, I think Joo Koon Bus Interchange will open in Q1 of 2015.