Joo Koon Bus Interchange
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I'm not sure of the actual location of new Joo Koon bus int. but i understand every weekday mornings there is heavy traffic jam next to Joo Koon MRT, esp the road opp the shuttle buses pick-up points. would it affect bus operations from the new int?
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
I’m not sure of the actual location of new Joo Koon bus int. but i understand every weekday mornings there is heavy traffic jam next to Joo Koon MRT, esp the road opp the shuttle buses pick-up points. would it affect bus operations from the new int?
The number of bus shuttle operations should reduce once LTA launches more services to Tuas, Pioneer and Gul. Just look at Sv 20. People are preferring this service and within months you can see packed to door buses at Simei between 7.45 and 8.30 every morning.
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[well, I know it's off-topic, but just to keep this thread going (preventing it from expiring before Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens)...]
you know, at Boon Lay Bus Interchange, there is this section next to Jurong West Street 64 that is open air and currently used as a sheltered walkway for people to walk from Boon Lay Bus Interchange/Jurong Point to Jurong West Library/Frontier CC and beyond (to the HDB flats).
just wondering.
is it possible (feasible) if LTA create another driveway at that side, so that buses (of sawtooth bus services) can enter/exit the interchange from there and go directly to Street 64 - instead of making one big turn to the alighting berths area and ply Jurong West Central 3, before going to Street 64?
for instance, we can create a traffic light junction next to the existing HDB driveway at blk 664A, and create the driveway for buses at the other side of the road, for buses to enter/exit Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
this will relieve the traffic at Jurong West Central 3, which can be very heavy during peak hours. if buses can enter from street 64 side, travelling times may be shortened, which will benefit the commuters (can travel faster), bus drivers (can drive faster) and the bus company (can deploy less buses for the same frequency, since distance is shorter).
of course, it can be argued that this is not feasible because the driveway to Jurong Point carpark is quite near. well, a solution for this is to expand the road and create a lane (nearest to the road divider) specially for drivers who want to drive into the Jurong Point carpark, from the st64-central3 junction to the possible new traffic light junction.
this can also benefit drivers who want to drive into Jurong Point carpark from Jurong West Street 63.
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Any clues which new service or other service start from here?
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I went to Joo Koon MRT area just now and asked one man about the Joo Koon Bus Interchange. He told me that the buses will enter at Benoi Road and exit at Joo Koon Circle.
When I looked at the place myself, I saw that there seems to be a passage carved out in the middle of the building, from Benoi Road to Joo Koon Circle.
From Benoi Road...
From Joo Koon Circle...
From the looks of it, it seems that there will only be end-on berths - and a handful of bus services - at Joo koon Bus Interchange.
Taking reference from the end-on berths at Boon Lay Bus Interchange,
where one side of the pillar can have one bus, and one service occupies two parking lots,
Joo Koon Bus Interchange has (approximately) ten end-on parking lots.
I guess there will only be around five bus services at Joo Koon Bus Interchange, making it similar to (or even smaller than) Sembawang (7) and Eunos (7).
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meanwhile, there is a link bridge being constructed that will connect exit A of Joo Koon MRT to Fairprice Hub...
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6 years ago, there was a tender released by LTA, for a proposed temporary bus terminal infrastructure at Joo Koon Circle (South of the upcoming Fairprice Hub building).
This was a drawing in the tender, retrieved from a thread in SkyscraperCity:
The proposed temporary terminal was supposed to have eight parking lots.
Since one bus service occupies two end-on parking lots at a bus interchange (eg. Boon Lay, Bedok [old] and Jurong East [old]), it can be deduced that Joo Koon Bus Interchange was to have only four bus services, as of 2008/9.
Five/Six years on, I discovered that Joo Koon Bus Interchange might have around ten parking lots.
Assuming the plan has not changed - where there will only be four bus services using Joo Koon Bus Interchange when it opens - there is provision for around one-two new bus services in future.
Since it's just four to six bus services, I think we can rule out quite a number of possible routes to/from Joo Koon Bus Interchange. In my opinion, I think the routes will only cover Tuas and Jurong Industrial Estate.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Any clues which new service or other service start from here?
Probably the 25x series bus routes. -
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
I went to Joo Koon MRT area just now and asked one man about the Joo Koon Bus Interchange. He told me that the buses will enter at Benoi Road and exit at Joo Koon Circle.
When I looked at the place myself, I saw that there seems to be a passage carved out in the middle of the building, from Benoi Road to Joo Koon Circle.
From Benoi Road...
From Joo Koon Circle...
From the looks of it, it seems that there will only be end-on berths - and a handful of bus services - at Joo koon Bus Interchange.
Taking reference from the end-on berths at Boon Lay Bus Interchange,
where one side of the pillar can have one bus, and one service occupies two parking lots,
Joo Koon Bus Interchange has (approximately) ten end-on parking lots.
I guess there will only be around five bus services at Joo Koon Bus Interchange, making it similar to (or even smaller than) Sembawang (7) and Eunos (7).
From what I have heard Joo Koon interchange will be used solely for Benoi-Gul-Pioneer-Tuas industrial estates and not really have city direction trunk services. Hence, may be 5 services is fine to start from here. Guess, 3 will be completely new, and 2 might shift from Boon Lay to here.
The whole JIS service needs a re-routing. Some routes are very winding. This is a good opportunity for LTA to make a proper routing including 182/192/193/254/255/257.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
From what I have heard Joo Koon interchange will be used solely for Benoi-Gul-Pioneer-Tuas industrial estates and not really have city direction trunk services. Hence, may be 5 services is fine to start from here. Guess, 3 will be completely new, and 2 might shift from Boon Lay to here.
The whole JIS service needs a re-routing. Some routes are very winding. This is a good opportunity for LTA to make a proper routing including 182/192/193/254/255/257.
Hopefully, after the re-routing, there can be still be one bus route that goes into Jurong West Extension area, before going into the industrial area and end at Joo Koon Bus Interchange. Maybe can stop at Pioneer MRT Station before going into industrial area, so the load can be seperated, since after all there are two distinct types of commuters: residents (before Pioneer MRT) and employees (after Pioneer MRT).
For example,
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
- Jurong West Street 64, Avenue 4, Street 72, Avenue 5, Street 82, Street 81, Street 71, Street 61.
- Pioneer MRT Station
- Pioneer Road North
- ... (industrial area)...
- Benoi Road
- Joo Koon Bus Interchange
- Joo Koon Circle
- Joo Koon Way
- ... (industrial area)...
- Pioneer Road North
- Jurong West Street 61, Street 71, Street 81, Street 82, Avenue 5, Street 72, Avenue 4, Street 64.
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
This will benefit a few groups of people:
- -Employees & Employers woking in the industrial area between Pioneer MRT and Joo Koon MRT, where obviously is faster (and cheaper) to go from Pioneer MRT than Joo Koon MRT.
- -People staying in Gek Poh, Nanyang and Pioneer can have bus connection to Pioneer MRT.
- -People staying in Gek Poh, Nanyang and Pioneer can have direct bus connection to Fairprice Hub.
- -Can complement feeder services 242 and 243 at heavily-utilised sections during peak hours.
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49 should start from here plying Taman Jurong before loop at J West..Unfortunately if you say wont go beyond its territories else might consider 185 & 502 start from here too.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
49 should start from here plying Taman Jurong before loop at J West..Unfortunately if you say wont go beyond its territories else might consider 185 & 502 start from here too.
From what I hear 49 will not move to Joo Koon Interchange. It will stay the way it is, and Taman Jurong Terminal is there to stay for longer time than we expected.
Joo Koon will have 2 new services in 2015. 1 service either 249 or 251 will get extended to Joo Koon and start from here looping @ Boon Lay. 1 service from Boon Lay will get transferred to Joo Koon. Don't know which one it would be but I guess it could be 255 or 257.
There will be slots for 2 new services from Boon Lay Interchange. All this is under planning.
Joo Koon will be a feeder for JIS and not have city trunk services beyond Boon Lay.
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went to Joo Koon MRT again just now and took this picture from a MRT train cabin:
Somehow, unlike what I wrote yesterday, the driveway does not seem wide enough for buses to turn and exit at Joo Koon Circle.
Maybe what that man told me yesterday was wrong, that the buses may enter and exit at Benoi Road, not enter from Benoi Road and exit at Joo Koon Circle.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
From what I hear 49 will not move to Joo Koon Interchange. It will stay the way it is, and Taman Jurong Terminal is there to stay for longer time than we expected.
Joo Koon will have 2 new services in 2015. 1 service either 249 or 251 will get extended to Joo Koon and start from here looping @ Boon Lay. 1 service from Boon Lay will get transferred to Joo Koon. Don't know which one it would be but I guess it could be 255 or 257.
There will be slots for 2 new services from Boon Lay Interchange. All this is under planning.
Joo Koon will be a feeder for JIS and not have city trunk services beyond Boon Lay.
regarding 49, since the buses for it will be supplied from Bulim Bus Depot from second half of 2016, I think it will be extended to Bulim Avenue and start from Bulim Drive where Bulim Depot is located. similar to 185 at Soon Lee Bus Depot. by then, if the route is extended to Bulim Depot, I think the Taman Jurong Terminal will no longer exist. Rather, 49 will simply loop around Jurong Secondary School area and return to Bulim Depot.
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Hmm..The Taman Jurong Ter is only on temporary basis
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Hmm..The Taman Jurong Ter is only on temporary basis
But will stay at least for the next 3-4 years. Then they might remove it or even expand it to have more bus bays and bus services.
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Actually next to the Jurong Cisco Centre is a suitable place for Terminal.Can introduce another 4x service to other parts of Singapore..Its such a wasted for Joo Koon to restrict to Tuas bound svc only...Should have at least 2 longer trunk svc to Northern and City areas..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Actually behind the former Jurong Bowl is a suitable place for Terminal.Can introduce another 4x service to other parts of Singapore..Its such a wasted for Joo Koon to restrict to Tuas bound svc only…Should have at least 2 longer trunk svc to Northern and City areas..
to be honest, I feel that Joo Koon Bus Interchange is kinda like a JoKer interchange.around four services only, still can call 'bus interchange'?
I support your idea.
it could have been better if there is another Bukit Merah Bus Interchange there instead.
then can fit in more services and really help to relieve load off Boon Lay and Jurong East Bus Interchanges (and the associated roads).
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Yeah man..At least should be like Serangoon.. Best would be new 46 to Bt Panjang,47 to Ang Mo Kio and 49 to Jurong West with 502 also.251,254,255 & 257 can act as feeders to ind estates..7 service for a start will be nice. Or is it Joo Koon terminal?
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Joo Koon should be called Joo Koon Bus Terminal instead of interchange..
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Whats the use of denying to own private vehicle when indirectly they create PT that require so many transfer here and there?Should at least have direct route what..Create so many MRTs and bus services to suck more money from us?Then ppl who ride a bike have to pay more than 7bucks perday just to ride mrt and bus to work?Might as well he ride his bike mah
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4 services is too little. At least they should have left scope for expansion. I think their thought process is to make it hub only for JIS as off-peak very low passengers. Also no residential complex (except dorm that LTA doesnt care about) - so weekend interchange as good as closed.
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From what ive observed 6-7 service the most...Dunno why still need to call an Interchange where is no residential feeders...Eunos and Harbourfront should be called terminal
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
I went to Joo Koon MRT area just now and asked one man about the Joo Koon Bus Interchange. He told me that the buses will enter at Benoi Road and exit at Joo Koon Circle.
When I looked at the place myself, I saw that there seems to be a passage carved out in the middle of the building, from Benoi Road to Joo Koon Circle.
From Benoi Road...
From Joo Koon Circle...
From the looks of it, it seems that there will only be end-on berths - and a handful of bus services - at Joo koon Bus Interchange.
Taking reference from the end-on berths at Boon Lay Bus Interchange,
where one side of the pillar can have one bus, and one service occupies two parking lots,
Joo Koon Bus Interchange has (approximately) ten end-on parking lots.
I guess there will only be around five bus services at Joo Koon Bus Interchange, making it similar to (or even smaller than) Sembawang (7) and Eunos (7).
Dear friends, I am sorry to confess that the things I wrote on 13 August 2014 was only partial correct. While it is correct that the buses will enter from Benoi Road and exit at Joo Koon Circle, it is not correct to say that the Joo Koon Bus Interchange has only end-on berths.
In fact, Joo Koon Bus Interchange does not have any end-on berth. From my observation (where I can go in a little to see what's inside, since some metal barriers have been removed) today, it seems that Joo Koon Bus Interchange is somewhat similar to Eunos Bus Interchange and Clementi Bus Interchange, where there is one bus bay (with several parking lots), one alighting bay (kinda similar to the one at Eunos Bus Interchange) and a few sawtooth berths.
Apparently, there seems to be around three sawtooth berths, which means the Joo Koon Bus Interchange may have around nine to twelve bus services.
Meanwhile, here's an update on the exit at Joo Koon Circle:
Apparently, it seems that the NTUC Fairprice Hub is ready for occupancy already. I am currently applying for a part time job at one of the stores there. They say the store will open at around end-October/early-November.
From the looks of it, the Joo Koon Bus Interchange may open at around December this year.
(I know I have made a promise earlier that I will stop using this account to make postings, but instead I will use the new one. However, please let me make this one-off posting using this account, because this is the one hundredth posting in this thread and this thread is created using this account.)