Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Joo Koon Bus Interchange is a new bus interchange. This is the first time many of us (born after 1990 and staying in the West) will witness the opening of a new bus interchange, so it is something I believe many are excited about.
While we await the opening of Joo Koon Bus Interchange, these were what happened when Sembawang Bus Interchange and Punggol Bus Interchange - both new bus interchanges - opened on 17 November 2005 and 30 November 2003 respectively,
- some bus routes (eg. 83, 3, 62 and 136 at Punggol) (eg. 167, 859, 980, 981 at Sembawang) were extended to the new bus interchanges.
- new bus route 882 at Sembawang was created at the new bus interchange when it opened.
Based on these, I believe when Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens,
- some bus routes (mainly Tuas-dominant bus routes) (eg. 257, 254, 182, 192 and 193) may be shortened to originate from Joo Koon.
- some bus routes (eg. 251, 252 and 255) may be re-routed and extended to terminate at Joo Koon while continue to originate from Boon Lay.
- those bus routes (eg. 251, 252 and 255) re-routed may be re-routed to cover loss due to shortening of Tuas-dominant bus services (eg. 254, 192).
- some new bus route(s) may be created from Joo Koon to cover the loss, should 252 or/and 255 be re-routed.
- I foresee a new bus route replacing 182 and 193 at Upper Jurong Road.
- In all, I believe there will be ten bus routes (eg. 257, 254, 182, 192, 193, 251, 252, 255, new A and new B) at Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
- However, due to the possibility that Joo Koon Bus Interchange may only have three sawtooth berths and the capacity for only nine bus routes, I believe some Tuas-dominant bus routes may instead (be extended to Tuas Bus Terminal, if they are not yet at Tuas, and) loop elsewhere.
- 193 and 192 may be shortened to loop around Joo Koon MRT and Joo Koon Bus Interchange (only driving through Joo Koon Bus Interchange and exit to Benoi Road)(without stopping at Joo Koon Bus Interchange) for a few years, then shortened again to loop at Tuas Flyover, when Gul Circle MRT opens.
- 182 may be shortend to Joo Koon for a few years, then shortened again to Tuas Bus Terminal, when Tuas Link MRT opens.
- Eventually, when the Tuas West MRT Extension opens, I believe Joo Koon Bus Interchange should have around seven (eg. 257, 254, 251, 252, 255, new A, new B) bus services, with capacity for two/five (if there are three sawtooth berths) to five/eight (if there are four sawtooth berths) new bus services.
Press release wise, we may expect something like these:
Do you have Punggol posters as well?
Joo Koon i think can acommodate max 10 svc cause in front of the last berth still can slot in 1 more berth.Sound impossible but i do hope there is at least 2 trunks go beyond Boon Lay
Was looking through the archives at SBS Transit websites where I found some posters that were created when Hougang South Bus Interchange closed.
Apparently, those posters were created by Transitlink, which was probably the one who regulates bus services last time. Now is LTA regulating bus services.
When Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens, the posters and announcements may be created by LTA, instead of SBS Transit or SMRT, because there may be more than one operator having services from Joo Koon Bus Interchange. Since the one planning bus routes is now LTA, not SBS or SMRT, there may be bus routes from Joo Koon Bus Interchange to Bukit Batok, Choa Chu Kang, Woodlands, Seng Kang, Punggol, etc.
The posters created by Transitlink ten years ago may be the closest preview to what we may expect the posters to be when Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Was looking through the archives at SBS Transit websites where I found some posters that were created when Hougang South Bus Interchange closed.
Apparently, those posters were created by Transitlink, which was probably the one who regulates bus services last time. Now is LTA regulating bus services.
When Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens, the posters and announcements may be created by LTA, instead of SBS Transit or SMRT, because there may be more than one operator having services from Joo Koon Bus Interchange. Since the one planning bus routes is now LTA, not SBS or SMRT, there may be bus routes from Joo Koon Bus Interchange to Bukit Batok, Choa Chu Kang, Woodlands, Seng Kang, Punggol, etc.
The posters created by Transitlink ten years ago may be the closest preview to what we may expect the posters to be when Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens.
Nope, SBS Transit will therefore have the thing called "Bus Services Operating from Joo Koon Bus Interchange", and it will be sorted out carefully. They will have new bus services from weak connections that can't be introduced due to Boon Lay.
Tuas View Square area was recently in the news due to there having some sort of 'domitories hub' there. IMO, there should be at least a mini-terminal there. Currently, only 182 serves there, and no one will not welcome another service to Tuas South area.
Hi. It is confirmed that Joo Koon Bus Interchange has only three sawtooth boarding berths and eighteen bus parking lots. The alighting berths can accommodate around three buses at the same time. Glass walls. Theme is mostly silver/grey with some orange.
With only eighteen parking lots, this means that Joo Koon Bus Interchange can only host around nine bus services.
I believe there will be new bus services at Tuas Bus Terminal when Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens, because nine bus services may not be enough to serve the Jurong Industrial Estate (excluding areas nearer to Boon Lay Bus Interchange) and Tuas Industrial Estate.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Hi. It is confirmed that Joo Koon Bus Interchange has only three sawtooth boarding berths and eighteen bus parking lots. The alighting berths can accommodate around three buses at the same time. Glass walls. Theme is mostly silver/grey with some orange.
With only eighteen parking lots, this means that Joo Koon Bus Interchange can only host around nine bus services.
I believe there will be new bus services at Tuas Bus Terminal when Joo Koon Bus Interchange opens, because nine bus services may not be enough to serve the Jurong Industrial Estate (excluding areas nearer to Boon Lay Bus Interchange) and Tuas Industrial Estate.
If only 18 parking bays, will say LTA has planned for 6 services for Joo Koon. May add 1 service more - 7 would be the max # of services the interchange can carry.
this means apart from 2 or 3 services, most will continue to operate from Boon Lay coz you need new services as well to connect areas in Tuas, Pioneer Sector not connected with bus today.
I think there is 20 parking lots not 18,Might be only 6 svc max...
If only two or three bus services at Boon Lay will be re-routed to Joo Koon, I think in long term, there is a need for another bus interchange in Jurong.
One to three new routes may be (more than) enough to cater to the demand for bus services in Jurong in short term as Bulim, Clean Tech Park and Tukang are developed.
But in long term, when development of Tengah begins (before any bus interchange or RTS station is built there) and more people travel to and within Jurong (eg. Jurong Lake District), the bus interchanges at Jurong East, Boon Lay, Joo Koon and Tuas may not be able to accomodate.
There has to be more capacity for buses in future in Jurong. It is either they design a bigger infrastructure for the future new Jurong East Bus Interchange, expand the existing bus interchanges in Jurong, or build more bus interchanges in Jurong. Either way, there has to be more bus parking bays, bus berths in Jurong in future.
But to think about it, I think that is why last year they say they will build Jurong Region Line and Cross Island Line by year 2025 and 2030.
There might be a Taman Jurong bus interchange in future to support more new citizens and Foreign Talents
boon lay will be relieved of much needed space when some services shift to joo koon but i doubt all of the JIS services will move over. as for a new interchange, don't forget tuas terminal and the new one that will be constructed with the new mrt station to replace the current one. surely more services can start from there even now as its massively underused for its size. i think tuas terminal should be used more extensively first, no need to build so many bus interchanges/terminal when current ones are underused. if they must, they could psuedo-rationalize routes like what LTA did with bukit merah's 131, 131M, 275, 123 and 123M albeit on a much larger scale in the western region of jurong.
they could build a bus terminal in tengah if they must and i agree that they must build the new jurong east terminal to be bigger, i hope they learnt their lesson from boon lay. a disadvantage of these ritzy 'integrated transport hubs' are that the sizes of the bus interchanges are severely limited and crippled by the size of whatever development is on top of you. that's what the government policy of milking every single cent out of every inch of land is for ya. multi purpose developments that serves its purposes in a substandard manner. a simple bus interchange designed like how the temporary bus terminals are designed now does the job of being a bus interchange extremely well, instead of placing them under much smaller glitzty shopping malls or condominiums. the faults of these ITHs are clear for all to witness at boon lay and bedok. when i went to bedok just now, there was a snaking bus queue waiting to drop off their passengers at the alighting berths, and its only a sunday. looks like LTA have not learnt their lesson from the boon lay interchange experience but is not too late, they should wake up and smell the coffee.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:If only two or three bus services at Boon Lay will be re-routed to Joo Koon, I think in long term, there is a need for another bus interchange in Jurong.
One to three new routes may be (more than) enough to cater to the demand for bus services in Jurong in short term as Bulim, Clean Tech Park and Tukang are developed.
But in long term, when development of Tengah begins (before any bus interchange or RTS station is built there) and more people travel to and within Jurong (eg. Jurong Lake District), the bus interchanges at Jurong East, Boon Lay, Joo Koon and Tuas may not be able to accomodate.
There has to be more capacity for buses in future in Jurong. It is either they design a bigger infrastructure for the future new Jurong East Bus Interchange, expand the existing bus interchanges in Jurong, or build more bus interchanges in Jurong. Either way, there has to be more bus parking bays, bus berths in Jurong in future.
But to think about it, I think that is why last year they say they will build Jurong Region Line and Cross Island Line by year 2025 and 2030.
They might make alternate provisions in long term. For now, it's a good step even with Joo Koon interchange. I think with 20 parking bays, 7 services should be easily manageable, but the interchNge might start with only 5.
Tuas Terminal is quite big and unused. Once Tuas MRT is built, they might make it hub for services like 182, 192, 193, 254 with more halting time at Tuas than at Boon Lay.
We should know soon. Maybe Q1 next year JIS plan might already b rolled out.
Originally posted by TIB868X:boon lay will be relieved of much needed space when some services shift to joo koon but i doubt all of the JIS services will move over. as for a new interchange, don't forget tuas terminal and the new one that will be constructed with the new mrt station to replace the current one. surely more services can start from there even now as its massively underused for its size. i think tuas terminal should be used more extensively first, no need to build so many bus interchanges/terminal when current ones are underused. if they must, they could psuedo-rationalize routes like what LTA did with bukit merah's 131, 131M, 275, 123 and 123M albeit on a much larger scale in the western region of jurong.
they could build a bus terminal in tengah if they must and i agree that they must build the new jurong east terminal to be bigger, i hope they learnt their lesson from boon lay. a disadvantage of these ritzy 'integrated transport hubs' are that the sizes of the bus interchanges are severely limited and crippled by the size of whatever development is on top of you. that's what the government policy of milking every single cent out of every inch of land is for ya. multi purpose developments that serves its purposes in a substandard manner. a simple bus interchange designed like how the temporary bus terminals are designed now does the job of being a bus interchange extremely well, instead of placing them under much smaller glitzty shopping malls or condominiums. the faults of these ITHs are clear for all to witness at boon lay and bedok. when i went to bedok just now, there was a snaking bus queue waiting to drop off their passengers at the alighting berths, and its only a sunday. looks like LTA have not learnt their lesson from the boon lay interchange experience but is not too late, they should wake up and smell the coffee.
I was shocked to see Bedok interchange has walls and not glass panels. Seriously, haven't they learned their lesson from Boon Lay. Long queue for 225G and though it was dd, some mid-age ladies did not board even though there were just 42 pax on board and queue had some 34 pax more which bus would easily carry. Pax behind thought bus full and dd left interchange under-utilized. This never happened in open Bedok temp interchange. 225G DDs easily carry 80+ pax from interchange during PM peak.
Haha land constraints they will tell u....
Then they build 'extensions'
Actually, I think Joo Koon Bus Interchange may actually be an expansion of Boon Lay Bus Interchange, to serve (at least) two purposes:
1. Enable new bus services in Jurong Industrial Estate (JIE) and Tuas Industrial Estate (TIE), at Joo Koon.
2. Enable new bus services in Jurong West town at Boon Lay, via re-routing one or two or three or most or all JIE/TIE bus services at Boon Lay to Joo Koon.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Actually, I think Joo Koon Bus Interchange may actually be an expansion of Boon Lay Bus Interchange, to serve (at least) two purposes:
1. Enable new bus services in Jurong Industrial Estate (JIE) and Tuas Industrial Estate (TIE), at Joo Koon.
2. Enable new bus services in Jurong West town at Boon Lay, via re-routing one or two or three or most or all JIE/TIE bus services at Boon Lay to Joo Koon.
Hi mr jurong west resident, joo koon Bus interchange is not an expansion of Boon Lay bus interchange. It is a totally new interchange with its location far apart by more than 1km away. Thus not considered as expansion. Cheers.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Actually, I think Joo Koon Bus Interchange may actually be an expansion of Boon Lay Bus Interchange, to serve (at least) two purposes:
1. Enable new bus services in Jurong Industrial Estate (JIE) and Tuas Industrial Estate (TIE), at Joo Koon.
2. Enable new bus services in Jurong West town at Boon Lay, via re-routing one or two or three or most or all JIE/TIE bus services at Boon Lay to Joo Koon.
In future, once Tuas MRT is operational, I think Tuas terminal will also get impetus.
Great plannings but bad outcome....I rather like an old fashion Int where boarding and alighting is way acceptable rather than an aircon int but get stucked during alighting
(Off-Topic, although related to Joo Koon Bus Interchange)
Heard that Fairprice Hub will have official opening ceremony (or something like that) on 8 December 2014.
(Okay, Back to topic)
In my opinion, Joo Koon Bus Interchange may open in February/March (Lunar New Year period), because this is when ridership on the Jurong Industrial Estate services is relatively low.
Especially since now construction is completed, and now is fitting works, soon will be testing and commission already.
We should start seeing buses entering and exiting Joo Koon Bus Interchange at around January or so. #justsaying
Hope will relieve some Boon Lay services..49 no chance extend there.
Seems like Joo Koon might be operational from Q2 next year.. as in Q1 only CCK, Yishun, Sengkang, Punggol is mentioned.
Have been reading for quite some time, here are my predictions/suggestions for how bus svcs might be amended when Joo Koon Interchange opens.
map of existing services, for comparison
-No change to 246 and 249, since the areas they serve are quite far from Joo Koon
-No change to 252, pax can easily access Joo Koon MRT/Int from the bus stops along Joo Koon Circle
-182, 192, 193, 254, 255, 257 shortened to Joo Koon Int via Benoi Rd (on the map, they enter/exit Joo Koon Int via Joo Koon Circle, although they may enter/exit via Benoi Rd instead)
-251 amended to skip Benoi Rd, looping via Shipyard Rd and Pioneer Rd, replacing lost link of 254 between part of Pioneer Rd and Boon Lay
-New svc 256 from Boon Lay looping at Lok Yang Way, via Jurong West St 62/61, Pioneer MRT, Pioneer Rd North, Jln Ahmad Ibrahim and Benoi Rd/Joo Koon MRT. Replaces lost links of 257 (Jurong West St 62/61, Jln Ahmad Ibrahim) and 192 (Pioneer Rd North, Lok Yang Way)
-New svc 253 from Boon Lay looping at Benoi Rd/Pioneer Rd/Benoi Sector, via Jurong West St 63/Pioneer MRT, Upper Jurong Rd and Benoi Rd/Joo Koon MRT. Replaces lost links of 182/193 (Upper Jurong Rd), 251 (Benoi Rd) and 255 (Jurong West St 63, Benoi Sector)
-Svcs 253 and 256 may stop at bus stops along Benoi Rd, which requires pax to walk more to Joo Koon Int/MRT but is faster for the bus, or turn into Joo Koon Int from Benoi Rd, which provides a more direct connection but slows the bus down and lengthens journey time.
-New feeder 244 from Boon Lay, via St 64, Ave 4, Pioneer Rd North, St 91/92/93 and Boon Lay Way. Circular route similar to 243, operating with G/W to indicate direction of travel. Replaces lost links of 192/193 (JW Ave 4) and 254 (Boon Lay Way), and provides new links to JW St 93. Will be more frequent and easier to manage compared to existing JIS serving residential areas.
-In summary, Joo Koon Int to have 6 or 8 svcs (182, 192, 193, 254, 255, 257, 253, 256), requiring 6 or 10 boarding berths (2 each for 253 and 256, for different directions), with 252 at bus stops along Joo Koon Circle (no change).
-Boon Lay Int from 10 svcs serving Jurong Industrial area (182, 192, 193, 246, 249, 251, 252, 254, 255, 257) to 6 svcs serving Jurong Industrial area (246, 249, 251, 252, 253, 256) and 1 new feeder svc (244).
Bus svcs may be amended again in future when Tuas MRT extension and new Tuas bus terminal open in 2016. 182 may be shortened to Tuas Terminal via the new MRT station(s) and new svcs may be needed to cover more of Tuas South.
