A clone thanking his main accounts ?
It seems like 256 are using 'leftovers' from 257 as their primary fleet rather than the new BSEP buses though.
From what I observed. I'm not sure if 3483X 6597G are still in JK Interchange or they have shifted out.
Originally posted by SMB31X:It seems like 256 are using 'leftovers' from 257 as their primary fleet rather than the new BSEP buses though.
From what I observed. I'm not sure if 3483X 6597G are still in JK Interchange or they have shifted out.
Hmm.
How's the loading like? Is 256 worth an amendment into Kian Teck, or an extension towards Tuas? Just looking at the route, the service does seemingly have potential for such.
Originally posted by lemon1974:A clone thanking his main accounts ?
Hahaha,Give him credits for that la bro.
Originally posted by AJQZC:Hmm.
How's the loading like? Is 256 worth an amendment into Kian Teck, or an extension towards Tuas? Just looking at the route, the service does seemingly have potential for such.
Ever since it was introduced the upper deck seemed empty with little or no people at all.
I can't judge now since it is the holiday season and the same for 258. During the 257 days I remember once the bus gets packed at Pioneer MRT it would no longer take paxs and would head straight for carrier transicold.
Originally posted by SMB31X:Ever since it was introduced the upper deck seemed empty with little or no people at all.
I can't judge now since it is the holiday season and the same for 258. During the 257 days I remember once the bus gets packed at Pioneer MRT it would no longer take paxs and would head straight for carrier transicold.
maybe sbst should try SD first before have DD for 258 waste of space. sbst can deploy some DDs to other services some where.
Originally posted by SMB31X:Ever since it was introduced the upper deck seemed empty with little or no people at all.
I can't judge now since it is the holiday season and the same for 258. During the 257 days I remember once the bus gets packed at Pioneer MRT it would no longer take paxs and would head straight for carrier transicold.
I observe that more and more people (are making the switch to) take bus service 258 at Boon Lay Bus Interchange, especially during evening peak hours.
Actually, we do not have to comment whether or not there are people taking bus service 258. The data from the EZ-Link card readers on bus service 258 says it all.
It seems just yesterday when bus services 254 and 255 were at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
Now, they are at Joo Koon Bus Interchange.
Really going to miss those days when bus services 182, 182M, 254, 255 and 257 were at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
It is only four less bus services (182/182M, 254, 255 and 257), yet Boon Lay Bus Interchange feels quiet now. Two weeks ago when 182/182M and 257 were removed, I already can feel it. Today, when 254 and 255 were removed, I can feel it even more.
I guess it will take a while for me to get used to a quiet Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
Probably because there are less foreigners now. Have been using the Boon Lay Bus Interchange with them since the very beginning (of my life. I am nineteen years old). Suddenly, most of the foreigners have gone over to Joo Koon Bus Interchange. The whole place feels more local now. It feels weird. I do not know why. :(
Meanwhile, there are some painting and re-painting of the words and lines on the floor at Boon Lay Bus Interchange. Surprisingly, the yellow colour boarding rows at the sawtooth section (B1 to B6) are retained. They even painted a new coat of yellow over the yellow colour lines, for the yellow colour boarding row.
Apparently, 179A is getting a second boarding row. If so, I think some other bus services which experience long queues will also get second boarding row, like 243G and 243W. This is one possibility.
The other possibility is that there will be another round of new bus services at Boon Lay Bus Interchange. However, based on the number of bus parking lots, there can only be one more terminating there. The rest can only loop around the bus interchange driveway.
There is another possibility, that is they are installing the new priority queue and seats feature at Boon Lay Bus Interchange's sawtooth boarding berth.
Dont worry,Sooner or later most buses will get packed to the max..6.9 leh..
Originally posted by carbikebus:Dont worry,Sooner or later most buses will get packed to the max..6.9 leh..
dont worry by then got more bus service more mrt line. our goverment v good that way. some service still have low load then also.
Originally posted by SMB31X:It seems like 256 are using 'leftovers' from 257 as their primary fleet rather than the new BSEP buses though.
From what I observed. I'm not sure if 3483X 6597G are still in JK Interchange or they have shifted out.
253 and 256 are not under BSEP if I am not wrong, based on the poster without the BSEP logo. Not sure if any VO3X appeared before.
258 is the only new service under BSEP.
Let me take back what I wrote yesterday, about how I miss those days when bus services 182, 182M, 254, 255 and 257 were at Boon Lay.
Went out to Jurong Point just now... I feel that it is better, if we re-route the remaining Jurong-Industrial bus services out of Boon Lay Bus Interchange. If possible, out of Jurong West residential areas.
Tuas Bus Terminal has around twelve bus parking lots. Joo Koon Bus Interchange has around eighteen bus parking lots. Together, both have around thirty bus parking lots.
When the MRT Tuas West Extension opens next year, why not transfer some bus services over to originate/terminate at Tuas Bus Terminal, and let all Jurong-Industrial bus services originate/terminate at only Tuas and Joo Koon?
If possible (it is possible!), re-route 192, 193, 194, 246, 249, 251, 252 and 256 out of Jurong West residential areas. Likewise, re-route 78 and 79 out of Jurong East residential areas.
Meanwhile, re-route 258, 98 and 99 out of the Jurong Industrial Estate.
After all, Joo Koon and Tuas combined can handle around fifteen bus services. They are definitely enough to contain every bus service in the Jurong and Tuas industrial areas. How many bus services at there anyway? Sixteen? (78, 79, 182, 182M, 192, 193, 194, 246, 249, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257) Okay la. Not enough. But if create one more bus interchange or roadside bus terminal in the industrial area, confirm got enough space for all the bus services in the industrial areas.
I do not care if there would be route duplications or what, I just want all the industrial bus services out of Jurong West and Jurong East residential areas!
The bird park bus service can revert to original form, running express and calling at only the bird park, only at certain hours of the day.
However, the problem is that the foreigners know how to take MRT to Boon Lay and Jurong East! I do not know why they still come to Boon Lay and Jurong East, even though the one at Joo Koon has everything they can afford to buy. Except it does not have a supermarket where they can buy things at. No wonder. :(
If there is ever a shopping centre at the industrial area, along the Tuas West MRT Extension, I hope it can feature a big field and a supermarket, and have nice design. Then the foreigners would want to go there, instead of come here. As if Fairprice Hub is not nice like that. The only set back about Fairprice Hub is that the supermarket only members can buy. :(
By the way, I am NOT against them. I welcome them with open arms. However, their behaviour is really a let down. Was on the train just now, from Jurong East station to Pioneer station. The foreigners were like touching here and there, and moving around when there is no need to.
I have been staying in Jurong West for all my life. I think it is only on Sundays and Public Holidays that they are around. So, it is my fault for going out at the wrong time. :(
But, really, if want to seperate, separate completely. Do not move only some over to Joo Koon and keep some here at Boon Lay. Best is to remove all direct bus connections between Jurong West and Jurong East residential areas and the industrial areas in Jurong and Tuas.
Anyway, it is only some people in Jurong West and Jurong East residential areas who really go to the industrial areas to work. They can take feeder to Boon Lay (or Jurong East) and take MRT to Joo Koon (or Tuas), before taking a bus to their work place - like many other people working at other places.
I have noticed that some of those amended services are still using old destos.
I saw SBS9538H (SLBP 192) still using the side desto which still stated the services plied Jurong West Avenue 4 and Lok Yang Way. I suspect it might be the case too for 193 and 251 since most buses which used destos will be gone within the next 2 years so no point making new side destos for those services.
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(Also posted at Loading observations thread)
Casual observations at Joo Koon Int, Monday 14 Dec 2015, 1804-1853 hrs
(The list is incomplete - many services are omitted, even if timings are precise. It may also not be very accurate, as I was walking about during some of the observations. All buses involved are DDs unless specified.)
Alightings:
Boardings:
Wow, it is quite new to me! luckily i read this thread
From https://www.facebook.com/SMRTCorpSG/posts/1046755482012347:
East-West Line update: 9:07pm 17 Dec 2015
A traction power trip has affected train services between Joo Koon and Boon Lay MRT stations. Joo Koon and Pioneer stations remain closed as our engineering staff work to resolve the fault.
About 65 passengers aboard an eastbound train travelling from Joo Koon towards Pioneer were detrained close to Pioneer station.
Train services are available from Pasir Ris to Boon Lay MRT station.
Free bus services and shuttle buses are available between Joo Koon and Jurong East MRT stations.
We are sorry for the inconvenience caused. We will be providing regular updates to commuters as we work to resolve the situation.
From https://www.facebook.com/SMRTCorpSG/posts/1046763525344876:
East-West Line update: 9:36pm 17 Dec 2015
We are in the process of recovering the train that stalled between Joo Koon and Pioneer MRT stations to enable the resumption of train service.
We will keep commuters posted.
From https://www.facebook.com/SMRTCorpSG/posts/1046772455343983:
East-West Line update: 10:03pm 17 Dec 2015
The faulty train has been taken out of service. Train services between Boon Lay and Joo Koon MRT stations have resumed.
We are investigating the cause of the traction power fault and are sorry for the inconvenience caused.
Shuttle buses and free bus service between Joo Koon and Jurong East stations are still available.
For the first time since Joo Koon Bus Interchange opened, the MRT broke down between Joo Koon station and Boon Lay station.
Imagine people take bus 182, 182M, 253, 254, 255 or 257 from their workplace to Joo Koon Bus Interchange, then realise that there is no train service at Joo Koon MRT Station.
No need to say, confirm got long queue for bus services 256 and 258 because only they go to Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
Besides, Joo Koon Bus Interchange does not have boarding rows for MRT shuttle bus services. I can understand why Boon Lay Bus Interchange did not have them, because it did not have the space. However, Joo Koon being a new bus interchange, I would expect boarding rows for MRT shuttle bus services to come in the package.
Actually, I think that was the very reason why bus services such as 30, 154 and 178 are at Boon Lay Bus Interchange, instead of Jurong East Bus Interchange. While they serve the people staying in Jurong West, they are for the people working in Jurong Industrial Estate to take to go home, especially in the event of a train service disruption.
现在好啦，most bus services in Tuas and Jurong Industrial Estates are shortened to Joo Koon Bus Interchange. Train break down already, people are stuck at Joo Koon Bus Interchange. Can only take bus services 192, 193, 256, 258 or the MRT shuttle bus service to Boon Lay Bus Interchange, or wait for train services to resume. (Taxi is limited because that area is quite out of touch.)
Imagine next time when some bus services are shortened to Tuas Bus Terminal (Interchange) and there is a train service disruption somewhere between Tuas Link station and Boon Lay station...
Actually, the section of the MRT between Joo Koon station and Boon Lay station has a history of train service disruption. It is always this section of the East-West Line got problem. This section was built (and developed) separately, as an extension line. The solution is (obviously) to close this section of the MRT and replace the problematic components. Before Joo Koon Bus Interchange opened, it was possible to close this section of the MRT because the bus networks in the area were largely not adjusted for the extension line; only bus services 502 and 242 were amended and only bus service 241 was introduced. But now, ... I think early closure is the only option.
what about 157, 180, 187 & 198? Don't they serve the same purpose as 30, 154 & 178 too?
Originally posted by jurongresident:From https://www.facebook.com/SMRTCorpSG/posts/1046755482012347:
From https://www.facebook.com/SMRTCorpSG/posts/1046763525344876:
From https://www.facebook.com/SMRTCorpSG/posts/1046772455343983:
For the first time since Joo Koon Bus Interchange opened, the MRT broke down between Joo Koon station and Boon Lay station.
Imagine people take bus 182, 182M, 253, 254, 255 or 257 from their workplace to Joo Koon Bus Interchange, then realise that there is no train service at Joo Koon MRT Station.
No need to say, confirm got long queue for bus services 256 and 258 because only they go to Boon Lay Bus Interchange.
Besides, Joo Koon Bus Interchange does not have boarding rows for MRT shuttle bus services. I can understand why Boon Lay Bus Interchange did not have them, because it did not have the space. However, Joo Koon being a new bus interchange, I would expect boarding rows for MRT shuttle bus services to come in the package.
Actually, I think that was the very reason why bus services such as 30, 154 and 178 are at Boon Lay Bus Interchange, instead of Jurong East Bus Interchange. While they serve the people staying in Jurong West, they are for the people working in Jurong Industrial Estate to take to go home, especially in the event of a train service disruption.
现在好啦，most bus services in Tuas and Jurong Industrial Estates are shortened to Joo Koon Bus Interchange. Train break down already, people are stuck at Joo Koon Bus Interchange. Can only take bus services 192, 193, 256, 258 or the MRT shuttle bus service to Boon Lay Bus Interchange, or wait for train services to resume. (Taxi is limited because that area is quite out of touch.)
Imagine next time when some bus services are shortened to Tuas Bus Terminal (Interchange) and there is a train service disruption somewhere between Tuas Link station and Boon Lay station...
Actually, the section of the MRT between Joo Koon station and Boon Lay station has a history of train service disruption. It is always this section of the East-West Line got problem. This section was built (and developed) separately, as an extension line. The solution is (obviously) to close this section of the MRT and replace the problematic components. Before Joo Koon Bus Interchange opened, it was possible to close this section of the MRT because the bus networks in the area were largely not adjusted for the extension line; only bus services 502 and 242 were amended and only bus service 241 was introduced. But now, ... I think early closure is the only option.
Hi mr jurongresident, are you trying to tell us that there must be much more bus services that is required than the current no at each bus interchange so that they can at anytime cater to the mrt breakdowns? Everywhere must plan more services as we will not know when and where the next breakdown will occur. Come on, this will not work. The root cause of breakdown must be addressed. Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr jurongresident, are you trying to tell us that there must be much more bus services that is required than the current no at each bus interchange so that they can at anytime cater to the mrt breakdowns? Everywhere must plan more services as we will not know when and where the next breakdown will occur. Come on, this will not work. The root cause of breakdown must be addressed. Cheers. Thanks.
Bring 182, 182M, 254, 255 and 257 back to Boon Lay Bus Interchange?
If not, replace the problematic components on the Boon Lay MRT Extension (Boon Lay - Joo Koon). It is always power failure that cause breakdowns on this section. It happened a few times previously, but apparently no action was taken to rectify the problem.
SINGAPORE: About 65 passengers aboard a train travelling towards Joo Koon from Pioneer MRT stations were told to get off the train close to Pioneer MRT station after train services between Joo Koon and Boon Lay were disrupted due to a traction power trip on Thursday evening (Dec 17).
Public transport operator SMRT announced on Facebook at 9.07pm that Joo Koon and Pioneer stations were closed, and its engineering staff were working to resolve the fault.
Half an hour later, it said it was in the process of recovering a train that stalled between Joo Koon and Pioneer MRT stations.
Just past 10pm, train service resumed after a two-hour disruption. SMRT said the faulty train was taken out of service and that it is investigating the cause. It first sent out a tweet about a delay at 7.49pm on Thursday and warned commuters about additional travelling time of up to 20 minutes.
Free bus services and shuttle buses were activated between Joo Koon and Jurong East MRT stations.
Some commuters took to social media to warn members of the public about the disruption, which started just after rush hour.
- CNA/dl
Mediacorp News Group, 2015. MRT disruption: 65 passengers detrained near Pioneer MRT station. Channel NewsAsia [online], 17 December 2015. Available from: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/ [Accessed 18 December 2015].
Now with today's breakdown in the news and mentioned all over the transport-related Facebook pages, I hope the authorities would finally take action.
Meanwhile,
To the people who were stuck at Joo Koon Bus Interchange this evening and have work tomorrow from around 8:30am-11:30am,
I feel you. Stay strong, even if you have to sleep less so that you can report to work on time tomorrow. At least have some hours of good night sleep. I'm sure your manager/supervisor/boss will understand why you not as productive, because everyone knows there was a train service disruption. Tomorrow is Friday. TGIF. One more day to weekend. Woohoo! :)
Originally posted by jurongresident:Bring 182, 182M, 254, 255 and 257 back to Boon Lay Bus Interchange?
If not, replace the problematic components on the Boon Lay MRT Extension (Boon Lay - Joo Koon). It is always power failure that cause breakdowns on this section. It happened a few times previously, but apparently no action was taken to rectify the problem.
Now with today's breakdown in the news and mentioned all over the transport-related Facebook pages, I hope the authorities would finally take action.
Meanwhile,
To the people who were stuck at Joo Koon Bus Interchange this evening and have work tomorrow from around 8:30am-11:30am,
I feel you. Stay strong, even if you have to sleep less so that you can report to work on time tomorrow. At least have some hours of good night sleep. I'm sure your manager/supervisor/boss will understand why you not as productive, because everyone knows there was a train service disruption. Tomorrow is Friday. TGIF. One more day to weekend. Woohoo! :)
u r crazy. first u keep post that bus service shud move to joon koon before int open. now that bus service move, u complain again. please stop irritating us with stupid remarks.
Originally posted by proudtobeme:u r crazy. first u keep post that bus service shud move to joon koon before int open. now that bus service move, u complain again. please stop irritating us with stupid remarks.
I think buses serving Joo Koon Interchange (99, 256, 258) will be serving well during the breakdown yst.
So it is good that there is an Interchange that can cover the load of Boon Lay Interchange. If not, there will be over crowding at Boon Lay.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr jurongresident, are you trying to tell us that there must be much more bus services that is required than the current no at each bus interchange so that they can at anytime cater to the mrt breakdowns? Everywhere must plan more services as we will not know when and where the next breakdown will occur. Come on, this will not work. The root cause of breakdown must be addressed. Cheers. Thanks.
Agreed.
It's one of the reasons why I support bus-MRT rationalisation to increase overall system efficiency. (Just not at the scale LTA did it in 2003)
One objective of having Joo Koon Bus Interchange is to reduce duplication of resources.
The new length and the new estimated travel time is now available for all affected bus services. So, it's time to compare.
Originally posted by jurongresident:Before Joo Koon Bus Interchange opened, the original total length of the ten affected bus services (99, 182, 182M, 192, 193, 194, 251, 254, 255, 257) is 251.2 km and the original total estimated travel time is 848 min.
99
Original Length = 25.6 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 128 min
182
Original Length = 37.4 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 94 min
182M
Original Length = 36.6 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 88 min
192 (to Tuas)
Original Length = 13.4 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 54 min
192 (to Boon Lay)
Original Length = 13.5 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 54 min
193 (to Tuas)
Original Length = 14.8 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 52 min
193 (to Boon Lay)
Original Length = 14.6 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 52 min
194
Original Length = 8.1 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 35 min
251
Original Length = 20.0 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 67 min
254
Original Length = 25.5 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 81 min
255
Original Length = 18.6 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 66 min
257
Original Length = 23.1 km
Original Estimated Travel Time = 77 min
^ for records purpose only.
after all, one objective of Joo Koon Bus Interchange is to reduce duplication and save resources.
New 99 (Joo Koon) length is 16.9 km and estimated travel time is 85 mins.
New 99 (Clementi) length is 16.5 km and estimated travel time is 83 mins.
New 182 length is 30.2 km and estimated travel time is 76 mins.
New 182M length is 29.4 km and estimated travel time is 71 mins.
New 192 (Tuas) length is 11.7 km and estimated travel time is 47 mins.
New 192 (Boon Lay) length is 11.4 km and estimated travel time is 46 mins.
New 193 (Tuas) length is 15.7 km and estimated travel time is 55 mins.
New 193 (Boon Lay) length is 16.2 km and 57 mins.
New 194 length is 9 km and estimated travel time is 39 mins.
New 251 length is 13 km and estimated travel time is 43 mins.
New 253 length is 10.9 km and estimated travel time is 44 mins.
New 254 length is 17.8 km and estimated travel time is 56 mins.
New 255 length is 8.8 km and estimated travel time is 31 mins.
New 256 length is 12 km and estimated travel time is 40 mins.
New 257 length is 14.6 km and estimated travel time is 49 mins.
New 258 length is 14 km and estimated travel time is 60 mins.
I calculated two times. First using calculator and using the values written here. Second using excel and retrieving the values again from Transitlink website. On both calculations, I derived the same values.
Total new length is 248.1 km.
Total new estimated travel time is 882 mins.
Total length is shorter by 3.1 km (251.2km original - 248.1km new).
Total estimated travel time is longer by 34 mins (882mins new - 848mins original).
Conclusion:
Yes, there is less duplication of resources.
No, there is no savings in resources. In fact, more resources are used.
Trivia:
The total length of all bus services^ at Joo Koon Bus Interchange is 171.1 km. This is equivalent to going around the equator 0.013428 times!
The total travel time on all bus services^ at Joo Koon Bus Interchange is 595 mins. This is equivalent to riding on the East West Line from Boon Lay to Pasir Ris and back for 5.0424 times!
^ 99, 182, 182M, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258.