SMRT to get DDs soon

• carbikebus

  6 Apr 14, 02:03

  If im not mistaken the NG is a bit lighter than MMC and low end torque slightly better than MMC..Correct me if im wrong brothers
• SBS9C

  6 Apr 14, 09:50

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  If im not mistaken the NG is a bit lighter than MMC and low end torque slightly better than MMC..Correct me if im wrong brothers

  NG and MMC is the same thing.

• SMB42P

  6 Apr 14, 10:55

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  My proposal is:

  106, 169, 172, 180, 187, 188, 189, 190, 851, 854, 856, 857, 860, 903, 911, 963, 969, 985.

  
  from what i heard from a few BCs, alot of the DDs will go to 190 and 700. 172 and 188 will get the bendies from 190.. thats for KJ. the rest im not sure...

• TIB 585L

  6 Apr 14, 11:01

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  My proposal is:

  106, 169, 172, 180, 187, 188, 189, 190, 851, 854, 856, 857, 860, 903, 911, 963, 969, 985.

  I believe all needs DD except for the feeders. I strongly believe feeders use bendy better.

  U can consider 184 and 700, 

  184 @ Clementi very crowded twds Ngee Ann Poly at 8am onwards
  700 also crowded @ Pending LRT

  966 can have split shift DDs to replace all those 'crawling' rigids and adjust the frequency

  965 also the same as 966

   

• BusAnalayzer

  6 Apr 14, 13:38

  Originally posted by TIB 585L:

  I believe all needs DD except for the feeders. I strongly believe feeders use bendy better.

  U can consider 184 and 700, 

  184 @ Clementi very crowded twds Ngee Ann Poly at 8am onwards
  700 also crowded @ Pending LRT

  966 can have split shift DDs to replace all those 'crawling' rigids and adjust the frequency

  965 also the same as 966

   

  Agreed. 184 better with Bendies due to high alighting/boarding at Clementi. 965 no need dd according to me, if 969 gets all dd from WDL side. 965 loading before entering TPE from Punggol rd 30-35 pax am peak and 60-65 pax PM peak. 

  966 could definitely use some DDs towards marine parade in Am and vice versa. 963 should also use DDs - 14 DDs would be good. 700 - 4 peak hour DDs should be enough.

• TIB 585L

  6 Apr 14, 13:50

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  Agreed. 184 better with Bendies due to high alighting/boarding at Clementi. 965 no need dd according to me, if 969 gets all dd from WDL side. 965 loading before entering TPE from Punggol rd 30-35 pax am peak and 60-65 pax PM peak. 

  966 could definitely use some DDs towards marine parade in Am and vice versa. 963 should also use DDs - 14 DDs would be good. 700 - 4 peak hour DDs should be enough.

  966 current split slots is too much. They should reduce the slots or convert the current split slots to DDs. 966 maybe need 2-3 DDs for split, AP dont need. 700 off peak definitely dont need DD.

  From what i observe about svc going to and from CBD, They deserve DD/Bendies during peak hours only, off peak doesnt warrant DD, I see 190 bendies is fully seated and most of the time no standees but the freq for off peak is like peak hour.

  969 DD for peak hour, 960,963 also. 964 bendies better due to the short route

  902 bendies+rigid is the best. 

  Basically i see that the DD should be on split slot of peak hours. Off peak crowd rigid can handle 

• BusAnalayzer

  6 Apr 14, 13:51

  If we just look at Cbd services, then this would be the first deployment.

  Spare - 21 (remaining: 180)

  190 - 34 (146)

  700 - 04 (142)

  851 - 11 (131)

  106 - 14 (117)

  980 - 02 (114)

  167 - 02 (112)

  972 - 06 (106)

  75 - 02 (104)

  61 - 02 (102)

  77 - no need

  67, 960 - will use Bendies

  850E - 02 (100)

  there will still be 100 DDs pending after deployment of DDs to Cbd related services!!

   

• BusAnalayzer

  6 Apr 14, 13:52

  Missed out on 857 needing 8 DDs, remaining 92 DDs for non-Cbd services.

• TIB 585L

  6 Apr 14, 13:56

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  Missed out on 857 needing 8 DDs, remaining 92 DDs for non-Cbd services.

  857 need to replace the full day rigids with DDs. At night the crowd is quite high from 8pm onwards at times to the door.

• BusAnalayzer

  6 Apr 14, 14:00

  Allocation of 92 DDs. 

  969 - 13 (79)

  854 - 19 (60)

  169 - 18 (42)

  963 - 14 (28)

  188 - 16 (12)

  966 - 4 (8)

  985 - 4 (4)

  855 - 2 (2)

  860 - 2 (0)

  ** need an order of 100 DDs more to satisfy services 172 (12), 180 (12), 187 (12), 189 (9), 856 (16).

• TIB 585L

  6 Apr 14, 14:06

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  Allocation of 92 DDs. 

  969 - 13 (79)

  854 - 19 (60)

  169 - 18 (42)

  963 - 14 (28)

  188 - 16 (12)

  966 - 4 (8)

  985 - 4 (4)

  855 - 2 (2)

  860 - 2 (0)

  ** need an order of 100 DDs more to satisfy services 172 (12), 180 (12), 187 (12), 189 (9), 856 (16).

  169 18 DD like too much, there a reason why there only 2 full day bendies amongst the whole fleet. Peak hour it needs at least 10, off peak at most u need is 5. 

• BusAnalayzer

  6 Apr 14, 14:19

  Originally posted by TIB 585L:

  169 18 DD like too much, there a reason why there only 2 full day bendies amongst the whole fleet. Peak hour it needs at least 10, off peak at most u need is 5. 

  Current number of Bendies cannot manage the load. Peak hours you have bi-directional loading. 169 definitely needs more high capacity buses than what it has today. After 2pm, you also have heavy loads from RP to WDL interchange, Yishun college to Yishun MRT. 

• TIB 585L

  6 Apr 14, 14:33

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  Current number of Bendies cannot manage the load. Peak hours you have bi-directional loading. 169 definitely needs more high capacity buses than what it has today. After 2pm, you also have heavy loads from RP to WDL interchange, Yishun college to Yishun MRT. 

  From RP to WRI it is inevitable, i see many people walking to WRI as much as i see people taking 169/903/902 all the bendies or rigids after 3.30pm to 6.30pm and 7.30am to 9.30am are always packed to the door but after RP stop, the load drops a lot. Then will pick up again few bus stops later until Yishun. 

  Bus from AMK will get crowded at Yishun MRT to Senoko then the load will be low till WRI.

  Its either 169 get more bendies or get DD+Bendy. But if load from RP to WRI, bendy would be feasible since the trip takes like < 3 mins

• TIB429E

  6 Apr 14, 19:17

  Originally posted by SBS899A:

  E50D stands for both E500MMC(Major Model Change) and E500NG(New Generation)... No difference la... 

  Oo then still got E500H..

• TIB429E

  6 Apr 14, 19:20

  Originally posted by TIB 585L:

  From RP to WRI it is inevitable, i see many people walking to WRI as much as i see people taking 169/903/902 all the bendies or rigids after 3.30pm to 6.30pm and 7.30am to 9.30am are always packed to the door but after RP stop, the load drops a lot. Then will pick up again few bus stops later until Yishun. 

  Bus from AMK will get crowded at Yishun MRT to Senoko then the load will be low till WRI.

  Its either 169 get more bendies or get DD+Bendy. But if load from RP to WRI, bendy would be feasible since the trip takes like < 3 mins

  169 should get fleet add also..The frequency on certain days damn jialat. Waited for nearly 40mins and yet I couldn't board 1 169 bus.

• TIB1234T

  6 Apr 14, 19:33

  Originally posted by TIB429E:

  Oo then still got E500H..

  KMB acquired 2 ASL E500H for trial, it is possible that they will be testing with all other new demos as well...

• Pervertedboy

  6 Apr 14, 21:13

  Originally posted by TIB1234T:

  KMB acquired 2 ASL E500H for trial, it is possible that they will be testing with all other new demos as well...

  Originally posted by TIB429E:

  Oo then still got E500H..

  Alexander Dennis Enviro500H

  I think 'H' stands for Hybrid.

  

  This is the Hybrid version of ADL Enviro500. 

  Unlike the other versions of ADL Enviro500, the Hybrid version has a rather distinct black bar in front.

• BusAnalayzer

  6 Apr 14, 22:03

  Originally posted by TIB429E:

  169 should get fleet add also..The frequency on certain days damn jialat. Waited for nearly 40mins and yet I couldn't board 1 169 bus.

  Problem with 169 is that it does not have as many high capacity buses as it deserves. Hence, I am proposing 18 DDs... Significant upgrade that will take care of loading. Loading very high in many sectors... 

  AMK to WDL (am peak)

  AMK - upper thomson

  yishun ave 3 - yishun mrt

  yishun mrt - seneko

   

  WDL to AMK (am peak)

  wdl - seneko

  admiralty west - yishun

  yishun mrt - upper Thomson rd

  all these sectors have 70+ loading.. Means need dd or bendy and loading is bidirectional.

   

• Acx1688

  6 Apr 14, 22:12

  Originally posted by TIB 585L:

  966 can have split shift DDs to replace all those 'crawling' rigids and adjust the frequency

  Bro, OT a bit,hw u noe abt crawling 966 rigids?

• Acx1688

  6 Apr 14, 22:15

  H is hybrid correct,it remains to be seen if local PTOs are far sighted enough to bring in n b part of fleet renewal, common in japan,china,eur,us,moscow...

• SBS9C

  7 Apr 14, 00:31

  Originally posted by Pervertedboy:

  Alexander Dennis Enviro500H

  I think 'H' stands for Hybrid.

  

  This is the Hybrid version of ADL Enviro500. 

  Unlike the other versions of ADL Enviro500, the Hybrid version has a rather distinct black bar in front.

  Not really. The black bar (or bumper) is actually US spec to fit in with the local regulations. Here is a US spec Enviro 500 that is owned by a Canadian operator:

  

• BusAnalayzer

  7 Apr 14, 02:27

  Originally posted by Acx1688:

  Bro, OT a bit,hw u noe abt crawling 966 rigids?

  
  What does OT mean?

• SMB128B

  7 Apr 14, 07:15

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  
  What does OT mean?

  Off Topic. 

• Acx1688

  7 Apr 14, 10:22

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  Off Topic. 

  Thanks Bro...
  
  sv169 is a classic service that is cruely ignored... Bendys will do the job
  
  966 > dun need so many DDs, already spam with Rigids, it is actually the speed the SL drive that is causing much angst...
  
  There are other svcs much in need of DDs,
  854 will stay with Bendys/Rigid fleet
  
  855 need to improve freq

• sbst272

  7 Apr 14, 16:03

  Someone spotted a SMRT ADL Enviro 500 in Scotland and post on SMRT facebook page... (Special thank to Mr. Gary Clark for the photo)
  Link: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151971495041861&set=o.566549713366262&type=1&theater