LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) (Part 2)
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I agree that svc 45 has enough. But it should stay at it is, please do not reduce DDs as it will be catastrophic.
Reason why 45 has such high loadings as described above is becoz before BSEP 45 has one of the worst frequencies of all basic SBST svcs. 18-20 mins freq all through the day! And always late somemore. Alas most people rely on 45 as they have no other choice, and Hence the heavy loadings.
But after BSEP, DD upgrades has evened out the freq, and today, though loading is still high, it already does not warrant for further add of DDs. That's when LTA stopped. And I believe this is correct too.
Regarding 112 not being crowded please observe again. Loads get catastrophic when leaving the int to HG ave 7, and also AM peak towards HG St 21 stop. On what grounds do you say 112 deserve less buses than 113? Is 113 the only high loading HG short haul, so much that it needs special treatment and downgrade other svcs like 112?! That's a very myopic way to look at things, and I believe this is very selfish whining too.
Same goes for 101.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
LTA should consider a service from Eunos to East Coast Park or simply start 401 from there.Lots of peeps alight at Eunos Stn waiting for svc 13..
401 only weekend service la. Most people who board sv 13 at Eunos alight on Still Road and few on EC / MP Road.
According to me, people use Paya Lebar MRT more for traveling to EC and Marine Parade road as they get many more services 43, 76, 135 with high capacity buses and good frequency. There is a bus every 03-04 mins at Paya Lebar MRT stop compared to Eunos MRT stop.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I agree that svc 45 has enough. But it should stay at it is, please do not reduce DDs as it will be catastrophic.
Reason why 45 has such high loadings as described above is becoz before BSEP 45 has one of the worst frequencies of all basic SBST svcs. 18-20 mins freq all through the day! And always late somemore. Alas most people rely on 45 as they have no other choice, and Hence the heavy loadings.
But after BSEP, DD upgrades has evened out the freq, and today, though loading is still high, it already does not warrant for further add of DDs. That's when LTA stopped. And I believe this is correct too.
Regarding 112 not being crowded please observe again. Loads get catastrophic when leaving the int to HG ave 7, and also AM peak towards HG St 21 stop. On what grounds do you say 112 deserve less buses than 113? Is 113 the only high loading HG short haul, so much that it needs special treatment and downgrade other svcs like 112?! That's a very myopic way to look at things, and I believe this is very selfish whining too.
Same goes for 101.
For a change, I agreed with everything you have writted above
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BSRF, BUDDY OF BSEP
Svc911 [Onboard 1155M spotting + Bus stop spotting] :
TIB1139K (911) - 7:18PM @ Traffic junction before 2nd last stop to WRI(St82/83)
SMB283K (911) - 7:20PM @ Blk880 stop
SMB1358Y (911E) - 7:21PM @ Blk875 stop
SMB244Z (911E) - 7:22PM/7:23PM @ Blk875 stop,
TIB1247G (911) - 7:24PM @ Blk875 stop
TIB1155M (911E) - 7:27/7:28PM @ Blk875 stop[7:12PM departs WRI]
O405 unknown (??) - 7:27PM @ Blk816 stop -
@Others especially bus anal what do you think if a new service from either Pasir Ris or Tampines looping at Alps Ave via Changi Beach?Seen a lot of workers waiting for private buses that are unreliable and fares getting higher.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I agree that svc 45 has enough. But it should stay at it is, please do not reduce DDs as it will be catastrophic.
Reason why 45 has such high loadings as described above is becoz before BSEP 45 has one of the worst frequencies of all basic SBST svcs. 18-20 mins freq all through the day! And always late somemore. Alas most people rely on 45 as they have no other choice, and Hence the heavy loadings.
But after BSEP, DD upgrades has evened out the freq, and today, though loading is still high, it already does not warrant for further add of DDs. That's when LTA stopped. And I believe this is correct too.
Regarding 112 not being crowded please observe again. Loads get catastrophic when leaving the int to HG ave 7, and also AM peak towards HG St 21 stop. On what grounds do you say 112 deserve less buses than 113? Is 113 the only high loading HG short haul, so much that it needs special treatment and downgrade other svcs like 112?! That's a very myopic way to look at things, and I believe this is very selfish whining too.
Same goes for 101.
Not sure if 20-40 pax on 112 leaving HG int is catastrophic or 70+ pax on 113 is catastrophic. You have never seen the peak hour bunching of sv 112. 3 112s within the span of 5mins all empty.
Spoken to a perm bc of 112. He told me that their runtime is loose and they can drive slowly. If you speak to a perm bc of 113, he will tell you their runtime is very tight. Esp those driving 113A. I myself have seen sv 113 bcs going for another round aft reaching hg int without breaks.
as for 101, pretty sure a SWT 101A would do the job.
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
Not sure if 20-40 pax on 112 leaving HG int is catastrophic or 70+ pax on 113 is catastrophic. You have never seen the peak hour bunching of sv 112. 3 112s within the span of 5mins all empty.
Spoken to a perm bc of 112. He told me that their runtime is loose and they can drive slowly. If you speak to a perm bc of 113, he will tell you their runtime is very tight. Esp those driving 113A. I myself have seen sv 113 bcs going for another round aft reaching hg int without breaks.
as for 101, pretty sure a SWT 101A would do the job.
Yeah so pretty sure an 113A will do the job too? :)
And are you goddamn sure it's 20-40 pax? And what about HG St 21? Dude I've never seen a 112 BUNCH before. Never in my life goddammit. And I take that svc every two weekdays a week. PM peak. Horrific freq with full standee bus leaving for Rio Vista (where most get off, and bus empty until HG industrial area). NOW THIS IS THE SVC THAT DESEVES BSEP. Not saying 113 does not deserve, but I find it ridiculous on how you press on for improvements on 113 and disregard and discriminate other svcs that has no less problems than 113 too. This is not how it works.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
For a change, I agreed with everything you have writted aboveIt's written, yeah.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Yeah so pretty sure an 113A will do the job too? :)
And are you goddamn sure it's 20-40 pax? And what about HG St 21? Dude I've never seen a 112 BUNCH before. Never in my life goddammit. And I take that svc every two weekdays a week. PM peak. Horrific freq with full standee bus leaving for Rio Vista (where most get off, and bus empty until HG industrial area). NOW THIS IS THE SVC THAT DESEVES BSEP. Not saying 113 does not deserve, but I find it ridiculous on how you press on for improvements on 113 and disregard and discriminate other svcs that has no less problems than 113 too. This is not how it works.
And 112 will need more buses once HG Ave 7 flats are complete...
113 sector from Hougang to Kovan should be scrapped - too redundant with other services 62, 82, 107. Instead 113A should be operated full day with 4 buses. This would give it a very good frequency, and the people at Kovan MRT will be very happy. If 113 stays the way it is, the bus will never get fleet add, leave upgrades, and we have seen this even though BSEP/HGDEP have so many SP buses, can easily crossover 107/153 buses. But have not done so because of Hougang-Kovan loss making sector. I just saw other day at 5.30pm bus arriving at HG Ave 2 from HG side with just 4 pax on board. Why would they add more buses to this route 5010P?
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
Not sure if 20-40 pax on 112 leaving HG int is catastrophic or 70+ pax on 113 is catastrophic. You have never seen the peak hour bunching of sv 112. 3 112s within the span of 5mins all empty.
Spoken to a perm bc of 112. He told me that their runtime is loose and they can drive slowly. If you speak to a perm bc of 113, he will tell you their runtime is very tight. Esp those driving 113A. I myself have seen sv 113 bcs going for another round aft reaching hg int without breaks.
as for 101, pretty sure a SWT 101A would do the job.
101 loading >>> 113. Period.112 route overall >>> 113.
112 loading << 113A loading
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Also 113 loading at Kovan has dropped after significant upgrade to 45/53. People now prefer to change at Serangoon than Kovan. Now you seee 113 buses during PM peak not as full as they used to be few months back. Why? No fleet add, no DD. Because people have moved to Serangoon. And it is the smart thing to do. 53/53B comes at a 5-7 minute interval during PM peak. 45 comes also under 10 mins and with DDs times for PM peak.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
@Others especially bus anal what do you think if a new service from either Pasir Ris or Tampines looping at Alps Ave via Changi Beach?Seen a lot of workers waiting for private buses that are unreliable and fares getting higher.
I was thinking of this. Maybe don't even need a new service. They can just divert sv 9 to loop @ Alps Ave, considering duplication with sv 19 until tampines ave 7. Sv 19, 89 will continue to Cargo.This move will definitely benefit lot of people from Alps Ave.
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You know time wise which MRT is the closest from Changi Village?
Pasir Ris
Tampines
Simei
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My experience says sv 9 takes you fastest to MRT (as you just cross and you are in MRT)
Sv 89 next (though there is a small walk)
Sv 19 takes the longest to MRT as it usually gets caught up in traffic and trailing buses near Library and Interchange.
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
Not sure if 20-40 pax on 112 leaving HG int is catastrophic or 70+ pax on 113 is catastrophic. You have never seen the peak hour bunching of sv 112. 3 112s within the span of 5mins all empty.
Spoken to a perm bc of 112. He told me that their runtime is loose and they can drive slowly. If you speak to a perm bc of 113, he will tell you their runtime is very tight. Esp those driving 113A. I myself have seen sv 113 bcs going for another round aft reaching hg int without breaks.
as for 101, pretty sure a SWT 101A would do the job.
Just a little education for you on 112 loading pattern.
Typical AM peak loading:
10-15 pax between HG and HG Ave 7
30-40 pax between HG Ave 7 and Kovan (a lot of people in fact board on HG St 21)
30-40 pax between Kovan and HG Ave 2
<20 pax between HG Ave 8 and looping point
40-50 pax between looping point and HG Ave 2 (depends a lot on 147 calling the stop)
60-70 pax between HG Ave 2 and Kovan (depends a lot on 132 calling the stops)
20-25 pax between Kovan and HG Ave 7
40-50 pax between HG Ave 7 and HG Int.
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Now a little bit on 112 PM peak loading:
40-50 pax between HG and HG Ave 7
20-30 pax between HG Ave 7 and Kovan
50-60 pax between Kovan and HG Ave 2
<30 pax between HG Ave 8 and looping point
20-25 pax between looping point and HG Ave 2
35-40 pax between HG Ave 2 and Kovan
30-40 pax between Kovan and HG Ave 7
10-20 pax between HG Ave 7 and HG Int.
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Extend 9 to Alps ave is not a good idea bro..I was thinking a new svc from Pasir Ris to there.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Extend 9 to Alps ave is not a good idea bro..I was thinking a new svc from Pasir Ris to there.
I would like to hear your thoughts as to why it is not a good idea. I am not a big fan of launching new bus routes everywhere, if current routes can be optimized. I say this because more routes, more buses, more traffic, more consumption of gas/resources. At the same time routes should not be optimized/rationalized if it is going to cause disturbance to many commuters. If it is only a handful, they can still use the advantage of bus transfer system without penalty. Just my thoughts. -
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911/911E and 858 today experience bunch up problem.
Svc168 also experience bunch up problem today.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I would like to hear your thoughts as to why it is not a good idea. I am not a big fan of launching new bus routes everywhere, if current routes can be optimized. I say this because more routes, more buses, more traffic, more consumption of gas/resources. At the same time routes should not be optimized/rationalized if it is going to cause disturbance to many commuters. If it is only a handful, they can still use the advantage of bus transfer system without penalty. Just my thoughts.
Why not new routes since this dictator LTA die2 wanna ppl take PT?You extend must add 2-4 more buses..You introduce new svc from PSR ppl got alternatives and the most use 6 buses but ppl can take advantage along Loyang there beside have to cram inside 9,19,89 & 109 correct?Im awaiting a new svc from Sengkang to Boon Lay -
Originally posted by TIB429E:
BSRF -
911/911E and 858 today experience bunch up problem.
Svc168 also experience bunch up problem today.
Seriously this BSRF are totally fucked up..Its pressurise the BCs more and for some cases safety is compromise.Because of this shit many BCs i observed are more reckless -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
Seriously this BSRF are totally fucked up..Its pressurise the BCs more and for some cases safety is compromise.Because of this shit many BCs i observed are more recklessThen they get more money (SMRT BCs)...
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Why not new routes since this dictator LTA die2 wanna ppl take PT?You extend must add 2-4 more buses..You introduce new svc from PSR ppl got alternatives and the most use 6 buses but ppl can take advantage along Loyang there beside have to cram inside 9,19,89 & 109 correct?Im awaiting a new svc from Sengkang to Boon Laymust revive back services before the NEL rationalisation... that era like old 85 or even express 501 etc
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More bonus at the expense of pax and other road users safety you want?When they fast theyre speeding when theyre slow they crawl like shit..