Maybe next time when Jewel is open, maybe there's a bus interchange leh?
Originally posted by SMB128B:I mean,
If CGA ever wants to achieve DD-accommodation for the bus svcs plying CGA, it is not really becoz of structural failure in the long run, but whether they want to anot. Jewel Project would be the deciding factor, as it is a chance for CGA to construct a general DD-friendly int inside the "Jewel". It's not hard trust me. Don't gimme shit coz its equally painful and hard for the ppl to have to pack in, and for the buses to twist and turn at narrow alleyways inside the basement too.
All future interchanges/depots will be DD friendly. Even all new roads that are constructed (main roads I mean) will be DD friendly such that bridge height is atleast >4.5m
I expect when new terminal is ready, it will have DD friendly terminal.
Originally posted by SBS 9631X:Honestly, if the operators have an opportunity to dump DDs onto those CGA svcs, they would have jumped at the chance to do that. Unfortunately because of how they had built the Terminals & their subsequent basement PTBs, they can only use SDs.
Otherwise, a DD slot for every 2 SDs is a very easily achievable target. haha. Then your bunching probs won't occur that much already because 1 DD can carry 2 SDs' worth of pax.
Agreed. 24, 27, 36 would have been best candidates for majority DD fleet then. 34 also could have got 2 DDs. 858 yes depending on SMRT getting DDs. In all, all CGA services have high loading and would have benefited.
Originally posted by 201911:858 needs some downroutes and/or shortworking trips to separate the loading. maybe something similar to 502A/518A, between woodlands and CGA, while skipping sembawang and yishun, which can separately be served by downroutes/swt to CGA.
858 does have shortworking trip 858A to Yishun interchange and also downroutes to Woodlands Interchange. After it departs from Yishun towards CGA, there is anyway only one stop at Jalan Kayu and then directly CGA.
People from Woodlands normally take 168 and then change to 858 at Jalan Kayu. Both are express services and bring people to CGA pretty fast.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Agreed. 24, 27, 36 would have been best candidates for majority DD fleet then. 34 also could have got 2 DDs. 858 yes depending on SMRT getting DDs. In all, all CGA services have high loading and would have benefited.
24 isn't the best. There are other svcs who need it more eg. 53.
KUBs currently are managing the load well. Well I guess u could have some DDs, but it's definitely not the BEST to have MAJORITY DDs.
Originally posted by SMB128B:24 isn't the best. There are other svcs who need it more eg. 53.
KUBs currently are managing the load well. Well I guess u could have some DDs, but it's definitely not the BEST to have MAJORITY DDs.
CGA services actually do not require DDs,,,
It is the route in between that is causing the heavy passenger loading, esp for 36,53
858 needs super improved capacity, like 966, evening peak at certain times 5 buses along M Parade Rd in 5minutes... no other service in SG beats this...
ERL will provide another link to airport...
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Originally posted by Acx1688:CGA services actually do not require DDs,,,
It is the route in between that is causing the heavy passenger loading, esp for 36,53
858 needs super improved capacity, like 966, evening peak at certain times 5 buses along M Parade Rd in 5minutes... no other service in SG beats this...
ERL will provide another link to airport...
Originally posted by SMB128B:24 isn't the best. There are other svcs who need it more eg. 53.
KUBs currently are managing the load well. Well I guess u could have some DDs, but it's definitely not the BEST to have MAJORITY DDs.
Yes ok... Maybe not majority DD fleet unlike Sv 27.
It is a little surprising that 195, 197 still haven't got any BSEP add.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:It is a little surprising that 195, 197 still haven't got any BSEP add.
171, 173, 184, 187, 189 and 852 too...
Originally posted by carbikebus:
I beg to differ,rail lines dont exactly stop near housing estates..Majority of airport workers like the direct link to their homes without the hassle of transfers and using escalators though rail is an advatage for those living beyond eastern areas.24,27,858 just need split DDs while 36 & 53 can just do with 4 DDs.34 just need to boost its freq
27 needs AP DDs.
Even off peak afternoon can be a disaster to 27, many students all round the east rely on this sole svc to return to the NE areas (only svc connecting Tampines/Upp Changi (transfer 31 to ITE) to Sengkang and HG, the three important towns).
Originally posted by 23ispolo:171, 173, 184, 187, 189 and 852 too...
187, 189 need... The others don't in my opinion. 184 doing okay... The Ngee ann - clementi part taken well care of by increased capacity on both 52 and 154.
Originally posted by SMB128B:27 needs AP DDs.
Even off peak afternoon can be a disaster to 27, many students all round the east rely on this sole svc to return to the NE areas (only svc connecting Tampines/Upp Changi (transfer 31 to ITE) to Sengkang and HG, the three important towns).
I agree... If 27 would have DDs it would anyway have 20 DDs and 7 SDs... Something like that... So there would be a good # of DDs doing AP.
53 loading is managed well by SDs... The area where loading is very high is HG ave 1 to NEX taken care of by 53A/B... Otherwise bus mostly has pax between 50-60... Not seen people finding trouble boarding the bus at Pasir Ris or AMK ave 10 areas...
Originally posted by 23ispolo:171, 173, 184, 187, 189 and 852 too...
Originally posted by carbikebus:
I beg to differ,rail lines dont exactly stop near housing estates..Majority of airport workers like the direct link to their homes without the hassle of transfers and using escalators though rail is an advatage for those living beyond eastern areas.24,27,858 just need split DDs while 36 & 53 can just do with 4 DDs.34 just need to boost its freq
But is LTA goin 2 listen?correct n good for workers to get direct connexion to airport, request for bus companies to run nite versions of the existing service is ignored n LTA's one tracked mentality is hub n spoke method wic is emphasised thru many email exchanges with them...
36B need DD not 36...
Originally posted by carbikebus:
187 need 2 more bendies that run on A/P shift..189 need another bendy.812 need a split SD.966 need to reduce 1 split duty...Always bunching during peaks..Then crawling at Bukit Panjang.882 need 1 TQ during weekends and Holidays.
I think they had when they convert 2 split duty to full day i.e 1380G n 1381D- former 432U n 434P. There shld be 12AP and 11 splits.
Originally posted by carbikebus:
187 need 2 more bendies that run on A/P shift..189 need another bendy.812 need a split SD.966 need to reduce 1 split duty...Always bunching during peaks..Then crawling at Bukit Panjang.882 need 1 TQ during weekends and Holidays.
I think of all these 883 need it the most - pathetic frequency.
Originally posted by Acx1688:But is LTA goin 2 listen?correct n good for workers to get direct connexion to airport, request for bus companies to run nite versions of the existing service is ignored n LTA's one tracked mentality is hub n spoke method wic is emphasised thru many email exchanges with them...
36B need DD not 36...
36B is a big contender for DDs but since it uses buses from 36, no DD... :(
Bus already jam packed at Marine Parade. People on Amber road, Mountbatten and Tanjong Katong hardly get to board... Same situation with 48...
Thats why as an immediate fix, just swap 36 and 48s route from Marine Parade. 48 starts at Buona Vista, loops @ CGA. 36 starts from BNDEP and loops @ Tomlinson.
36 BCs dont even have a proper terminal to rest.
With this swap, 36 which originates from BNDEP, no wasted mileage... and for 48 since it is anyway full ARBP, makes no difference..
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Thats why as an immediate fix, just swap 36 and 48s route from Marine Parade. 48 starts at Buona Vista, loops @ CGA. 36 starts from BNDEP and loops @ Tomlinson.
36 BCs dont even have a proper terminal to rest.
Big no-no.
48 has high loading from Bedok South to Tanah Merah Stn.
As for 36, it's there coz its the only svc there from CGA to city. Even if it does not have pax from CGA, it still has to be there so "save face" for bus routes in CGA.
And who says 36 does not have a place to rest??? FYI there is an office for SBST in T2 itself, reserved for 36 BCs.
Originally posted by carbikebus:
I beg to differ,rail lines dont exactly stop near housing estates..Majority of airport workers like the direct link to their homes without the hassle of transfers and using escalators though rail is an advatage for those living beyond eastern areas.24,27,858 just need split DDs while 36 & 53 can just do with 4 DDs.34 just need to boost its freq