LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) (Part 2)
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
What makes you tink ther person replying to you are guys instead of gals??!
There are female bus fans in Sg and all over the world, widen your thinkingHi mr Acx1688, male or female, I don't care. I am only interested in bus services.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Fair enough.
On the bad side though, you may expect complains for the increased bus traffic along those small terrace lanes.
On the positive side, all the car owners there who dont like to wait at bus stops, would be happy with a higher frequency on 317.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
No you dont. If you just increase the frequency on 317, it can take care of the loading and 315 could have gone direct. Serangoon North Ave 1 residents still have to do the long loop of Chomp Chomp to get to MRT. Why did LTA only relieve residents of North Ave 4? Anyway, the route is already done. I am only saying just creating new routes is not always the solution. And I hope LTA sees this because I dont want Singapore to be crowded with so many buses that there is more traffic, more waiting time at bus stops, more crowd at interchanges etc.It's a waste 315 never stopped at YCK Rd. Otherwise less will have to endure the round towards the int.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr Acx1688, male or female, I don't care. I am only interested in bus services.
LOL, this conversation is getting weird...
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Wats the issue on 317 not using DDs?!?
Anyone care to explain?!Hi mr Acx1688, I suspect it is because of the very narrow lanes around the private estates which sbs 317 plies deep inside serangoon gardens. Thanks
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
It's a waste 315 never stopped at YCK Rd. Otherwise less will have to endure the round towards the int.
Yes 315 route is really weird. It comes out of North ave 1 and then goes back in towards Gardens Way rather than going down YCK Road, where people could also make faster transfer to other services like 43, 70, 76 etc instead of waiting to go all the way via Chomp Chomp.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr Acx1688, I suspect it is because of the very narrow lanes around the private estates which sbs 317 plies deep inside serangoon gardens. Thanks
Yes you are right. But if 317 was the only service plying without 315, DDs could have been plied looping @ Chomp Chomp on 317A. 317A would be 2 buses, 317 wouold be 5 buses. Good enough! -
Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr Acx1688, I suspect it is because of the very narrow lanes around the private estates which sbs 317 plies deep inside serangoon gardens. Thanks
No logic, Hoy Fatt Rd is just as narrow, you have DDs on sv139, how about Genting Lane with sv125 DD?!
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
No you dont. If you just increase the frequency on 317, it can take care of the loading and 315 could have gone direct. Serangoon North Ave 1 residents still have to do the long loop of Chomp Chomp to get to MRT. Why did LTA only relieve residents of North Ave 4? Anyway, the route is already done. I am only saying just creating new routes is not always the solution. And I hope LTA sees this because I dont want Singapore to be crowded with so many buses that there is more traffic, more waiting time at bus stops, more crowd at interchanges etc.Hi mr BusAnalyser, I understand your concern. But serangoon north ave 4/5 residents have it very bad for years already. Sbs 116 links them to serangoon as well as hougang ave 9 (hougang 1 mall) plus hougang central. More direct and much better as loading is not very high. Give them a comfortable journey which pleases the residents there. Cheers.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Yes you are right. But if 317 was the only service plying without 315, DDs could have been plied looping @ Chomp Chomp on 317A. 317A would be 2 buses, 317 wouold be 5 buses. Good enough!It's a great fantasy you have there.
And your fantasy has allowed you to create the very first short trip for a feeder in Singapore!
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr BusAnalyser, I understand your concern. But serangoon north ave 4/5 residents have it very bad for years already. Sbs 116 links them to serangoon as well as hougang ave 9 (hougang 1 mall) plus hougang central. More direct and much better as loading is not very high. Give them a comfortable journey which pleases the residents there. Cheers.
And what wrong have Serangoon North Ave 1 residents have done? Why could 116 not ply this road also? -
Originally posted by SMB128B:
It's a great fantasy you have there.
And your fantasy has allowed you to create the very first short trip for a feeder in Singapore!
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
No logic, Hoy Fatt Rd is just as narrow, you have DDs on sv139, how about Genting Lane with sv125 DD?!
A 3 axle bus turning radius is better than a 2 axle busHi mr Acx1688, as what I have said, I suspect this to be the reason. Suspect only. I travelled on this route 1 year back for full journey and from what I see, this seems to be the only valid reason.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
And what wrong have Serangoon North Ave 1 residents have done? Why could 116 not ply this road also?From what I can see, they want make sbs 116 go to major road (yio Chu Kang road) faster to serangoon central. This will be faster than routing it through serangoon north ave 1 which will slow it down. So it sort of defeats the purpose of direct connection to serangoon mrt. Cheers
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
From what I can see, they want make sbs 116 go to major road (yio Chu Kang road) faster to serangoon central. This will be faster than routing it through serangoon north ave 1 which will slow it down. So it sort of defeats the purpose of direct connection to serangoon mrt. Cheers
I completely disagree on this point. When it turns onto AMK Ave 3, there are always 2/3 buses on the stop, and there is waiting time. Then it turns to YCK road. Here, it would go straight onto Serangoon North Ave 1 and directly connect to YCK road also providing Serangoon North Ave 1 residents direct connection to Serangoon MRT and YCK road to change to other services.
When a particular service is introduced, it needs to benefit more than one estate. You cannot have a new service for every estate. Then area around MRT will go mad with buses pulling in and pulling out. Also then it would make 116 more usable and the stop opposite NEX would make complete sense as there would be little overlap with 43/70.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Are you sure? 241 does not have 241A? 240 does not have 240A?Mhmm... Conceded that fact.
Well my point is that 317 does not need SWT. Kthxbye
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dupdup... on the other hand what sense does it make to have 116 follow 72 to HG interchange... people along Serangoon north ave 4 would always prefer to go to Serangoon than Hougang to take MRT unless they are going to Hougang itself. If they are going to Sengkang/Punggol, they can take bus.
72 already has a 5/6 minute frequency with almost all DDs. If 116 had to go to Hougang it should have at least catered to st 91/93/51 before going to Hougang. This way it would have provided new connections to the inner streets that today have no service or have service in only one direction and long winding routes.
Why cant LTA think of solving multiple issues while introducing bus services?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
dupdup... on the other hand what sense does it make to have 116 follow 72 to HG interchange... people along Serangoon north ave 4 would always prefer to go to Serangoon than Hougang to take MRT unless they are going to Hougang itself. If they are going to Sengkang/Punggol, they can take bus.
72 already has a 5/6 minute frequency with almost all DDs. If 116 had to go to Hougang it should have at least catered to st 91/93/51 before going to Hougang. This way it would have provided new connections to the inner streets that today have no service or have service in only one direction and long winding routes.
Why cant LTA think of solving multiple issues while introducing bus services?
Simple.
1. Relieve loads on 72. Horrific amount of pax boarding 72 at HG, with half of them heading to Ave 4/9. 116 is a tool to relieve loads so that they can share between Ave 4/9 pax, allowing for more YCK bound pax to board.
2. Simplify transfer. 116 enters the int while 72 does not. And yes, it is a disadvantage during rainy days. And isn't that LTA's aims, to provide for better alternatives?
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LTA folks one track mind, cannot multi task...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I completely disagree on this point. When it turns onto AMK Ave 3, there are always 2/3 buses on the stop, and there is waiting time. Then it turns to YCK road. Here, it would go straight onto Serangoon North Ave 1 and directly connect to YCK road also providing Serangoon North Ave 1 residents direct connection to Serangoon MRT and YCK road to change to other services.
When a particular service is introduced, it needs to benefit more than one estate. You cannot have a new service for every estate. Then area around MRT will go mad with buses pulling in and pulling out. Also then it would make 116 more usable and the stop opposite NEX would make complete sense as there would be little overlap with 43/70.
Hi mr BusAnalyser, okay I conceded to the first point. Re-routing it through serangoon north ave 1 then to yio Chu Kang will be a good choice as serangoon north ave 1 residents will benefit. Time incurred will be comparable to current route. Cheers
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
dupdup... on the other hand what sense does it make to have 116 follow 72 to HG interchange... people along Serangoon north ave 4 would always prefer to go to Serangoon than Hougang to take MRT unless they are going to Hougang itself. If they are going to Sengkang/Punggol, they can take bus.
72 already has a 5/6 minute frequency with almost all DDs. If 116 had to go to Hougang it should have at least catered to st 91/93/51 before going to Hougang. This way it would have provided new connections to the inner streets that today have no service or have service in only one direction and long winding routes.
Why cant LTA think of solving multiple issues while introducing bus services?
Hi mr bus Analyser, hougang st 91/93/51 residents have services from both hougang ave 9 and buangkok green. Yes as per what you should say, these are inner routes. But it is also beneficial for the current sbs 116 route as services are needed to assist first on the major road hougang ave 9 as this place is not a very accessible part of hougang. Sbs 72 goes by it and sbs 116 is necessitated to help relieve load for this sector too enroute to serangoon north ave 4 to serangoon. The way I see it, it is a good route with less winding sector. Inner routes are getting more and more important priorities these days and your suggestion seems logical. What I can think of is they feel major roads come first priority rather than inner routes. Inner routes is still within walking distance to major roads. -
Originally posted by dupdup77:
Totally agreed... Yet, LTA went to introduce 371 to ply Rivervale Crescent which is a inner road, but why not Choa Chu Kang, Hougang (the issue here), Punggol, and Yishun? These are places which have similar inner roads, yet only Sengkang gets this benefit?
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Totally agreed... Yet, LTA went to introduce 371 to ply Rivervale Crescent which is a inner road, but why not Choa Chu Kang, Hougang (the issue here), Punggol, and Yishun? These are places which have similar inner roads, yet only Sengkang gets this benefit?
Hi mr 23ispolo, I think the 2 most likely reasons are because 1. the new HDB flats at rivervale crescent are up for more than 6 months already and that part of sengkang estate is badly linked. 2. The nearest major road within walking distance is rivervale drive. That major road only has LRT and sbs 86 (a bit winding to sengkang mrt). So no choice since only 1 main service sbs 86 on that major road, they have to introduce sbs 371 to go by rivervale drive and loop at rivervale crescent. In that sense, they give the major road rivervale drive 2 services and ply the inner route rivervale crescent as well. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Cheers
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Totally agreed... Yet, LTA went to introduce 371 to ply Rivervale Crescent which is a inner road, but why not Choa Chu Kang, Hougang (the issue here), Punggol, and Yishun? These are places which have similar inner roads, yet only Sengkang gets this benefit?
GROs trying to win back ward for lightning rod
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So dupdup is from LTA?
