@BusAnalayzer sv120's loading is improving a lot since its launch in Apr 2013. Saw 1 bus (SBS6379U) packed to the entrance at the cross junction of Alexandra Rd & Commonwealth Ave towards Tiong Bahru Rd. Time is around late 5pm to early 6pm.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
You might be right that Buangkok is closer to Hougang Ave 4, but also the truth is a lot of people take 109 from Serangoon after alighting from CCL and NEL to Hougang Ave 4/9. I have taken a WEG 6+pm from Serangoon Interchange and while it left interchange with 50-55 pax, along Boundary Rd and YCK Link, it picked up pax that made more than 90 pax. And I was surprised to see 60-70 pax alighted on stops along HG Ave 9 and HG Ave 4. When the bus came to Buangkok Green, it was left with barely 30-35 pax, some of whom who boarded along HG Ave 9/4.So for me this SWT makes sense, else SBST would have to introduce more DDs during that time from Serangoon to Changi (which could be waste of resources since beyond Buangkok loading is very low in PM).
BA, dd77, the typical SGrean tinking doesn make much sense... rationally speaking ine would head to a train station closest to their home rather than get caught in sgn ctrl jam n arrival timing of 109A.
It's obvious i noe the direction fr SGN to HG is the load, m givin an example... morning fr 4/9 to buangkok, if evening time shld b fr Buangkok to ave4/9
Originally posted by SBS7557R:@BusAnalayzer sv120's loading is improving a lot since its launch in Apr 2013. Saw 1 bus (SBS6379U) packed to the entrance at the cross junction of Alexandra Rd & Commonwealth Ave towards Tiong Bahru Rd. Time is around late 5pm to early 6pm.
Bro, u take away 120, stil ve 33,64 wic is wat we r implying... manage scarce resorces wisely...
Originally posted by SBS7557R:@BusAnalayzer sv120's loading is improving a lot since its launch in Apr 2013. Saw 1 bus (SBS6379U) packed to the entrance at the cross junction of Alexandra Rd & Commonwealth Ave towards Tiong Bahru Rd. Time is around late 5pm to early 6pm.
Depends how many such spottings. Could just be sv 33, 64, 195 did not call for quite some time at the stops. PM lot of people take 195 to Queenstown MRT as well. But if they don't get 195, they simply hop into 33.
120 is just another service, which does have some loading between Redhill and Alexandra road, but otherwise very low.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Depends how many such spottings. Could just be sv 33, 64, 195 did not call for quite some time at the stops. PM lot of people take 195 to Queenstown MRT as well. But if they don't get 195, they simply hop into 33.
120 is just another service, which does have some loading between Redhill and Alexandra road, but otherwise very low.
Correcto 4 last statement!
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:I really beg to differ with your point. Can you post your loading observation? I have seen AM peak Citaros with standees towards Lakeside. PM peak also I see around 20-25 pax boarding at Lakeside towards TJ Terminal. Maybe does not need DDs yet, but the service is doing much better than 116 launched 18 months back and 120 also.
u said alrdy peak hrs.. tts why shld only operate as a peak hr svc. usually only got less than 10 ppl during off peak hrs.
Originally posted by SBS7557R:@BusAnalayzer sv120's loading is improving a lot since its launch in Apr 2013. Saw 1 bus (SBS6379U) packed to the entrance at the cross junction of Alexandra Rd & Commonwealth Ave towards Tiong Bahru Rd. Time is around late 5pm to early 6pm.
Yes, I ever did mention this kind of loading before for 120... Many workers can take 120 from Alexandra Road (Alexandra Retail Centre area) direct to Redhill MRT Station. But mostly, this loading is found during peak hours, so I'm not surprised at 'late 5pm to early 6pm', which is deemed as the peak hour.
Originally posted by 23ispolo:Yes, I ever did mention this kind of loading before for 120... Many workers can take 120 from Alexandra Road (Alexandra Retail Centre area) direct to Redhill MRT Station. But mostly, this loading is found during peak hours, so I'm not surprised at 'late 5pm to early 6pm', which is deemed as the peak hour.
To maximise 120, better to chop freq back to 12-14mins, save buses, as the load can be tfr to 33,64
Originally posted by Acx1688:To maximise 120, better to chop freq back to 12-14mins, save buses, as the load can be tfr to 33,64
I have no say then.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Sv 49 might be extended or reroute in future..But again this svc can cope with Citaros only..hardly seen packed to the brim..if yes only a couple of trips
You mean the whole fleet to become BSEP Citaros, then use the DDs on 143M or other services?
Originally posted by 23ispolo:I have no say then.
No lah its to better utilise the buses, no point havin empty buses running around...
Think 120 should be made peak-hour uni-directional like former 68 and 84... Go HK style people... Don't be so stagnant...
Like that can save 5 to even 6 buses, which can be well deployed to svcs like 27...
What on earth is the government actually doing with our money?! Empty buses running around during off-peak?!
Originally posted by SMB128B:What on earth is the government actually doing with our money?! Empty buses running around during off-peak?!
ah 966 is doing tt daily for more than 6months
Originally posted by SMB128B:Think 120 should be made peak-hour uni-directional like former 68 and 84... Go HK style people... Don't be so stagnant...
Like that can save 5 to even 6 buses, which can be well deployed to svcs like 27...
What on earth is the government actually doing with our money?! Empty buses running around during off-peak?!
might as well convert all bus services to peak hours service Uni-directional instead? since most of them (ESP DD) are running almost empty during OFF PEAK HOURS....
Originally posted by wsy1234:maybe it time to follow hong kong to have mini bus operated on the road. Maybe that what the MP in tampines doing. With RC and shop owners support and town coucil support i see no reason why this bus service cannot operated. maybe should bring back bus from city square from toa payoh also I think the reason is because of service 141. but that is not the way LTA should prevent people from enjoying a free bus ride to near city area. Kelong between public operators companies and LTA?
wanna bet that the mini bus service in tampines will be discontinued in 6 months time? last time, one MP also lobby for bus service from Chun Tin (upper thomson) to AMK interchange...so happy got introduction ceremony etc etc.... less than 6 months the route was withdrawn quietly.........
it is not so easy for LTA/SBST/SMRT to go introduce new bus services.. imagine everyday, so many ppl write in to suggest this new service and that new service..... so is LTA going to implement everyone of them???
Originally posted by lemon1974:
it is not so easy for LTA/SBST/SMRT to go introduce new bus services.. imagine everyday, so many ppl write in to suggest this new service and that new service..... so is LTA going to implement everyone of them???
That is why I said there are more lobbyists than hobbyists. There is this assumption that building the grassroots and getting the numbers automatically translate to having things their way when it comes to getting what new buses and new routes.
In some cases the lobbyists did get their wish, especially if they have been very vocal. And then the public wonder why their fares are going up so much more and why certain routes tend to run empty...
Buses packed to door during off-peak. That's why the DDs are needed during off peak. But not too many...
Originally posted by carbikebus:Sv 49 might be extended or reroute in future..But again this svc can cope with Citaros only..hardly seen packed to the brim..if yes only a couple of trips
Am trip quite a few trips have 60+ pax...
Pm peak agree peak loading between 45/50 pax.
Originally posted by lemon1974:might as well convert all bus services to peak hours service Uni-directional instead? since most of them (ESP DD) are running almost empty during OFF PEAK HOURS....
120 extreme case.
A few other svcs too.
Why not you see how HK does it, the more you know?
And besides, prove that MOST OF THEM run almost empty during peak.
It has been a year since Sv 120 has been introduced.
typical loading am peak
new bridge to Jalan Bukit Merah -- 10 pax
bukit Merah to Tiong Bahru rd -- 10/15 pax
tiong Bahru rd / red hill MRT -- 15/20 pax
redhill mrt / Alexandra rd -- 35/45 pax
Alexandra rd / tehlok blangah rd -- 10 pax
Tehlok blangah MRT / Tehlok Blangah estates -- 10 pax
to tehlok blangah mrt -- 20/25 pax
to Alexandra rd -- 10/15 pax
to Redhill MRT -- 15/20 pax
to lower delta rd -- 15 pax
to new bridge -- 10 pax.
** This is typical am loading after one year of launch that too in peak hours. LTA is wasting its funds on some non-used routes and will continue to waste coz it has excess of tax payer funds.
Here we go again. Ppl are still having the mind sets that all bus yservices (new or old) must be crowded during all operating hours. As long as some buses/services are not crowded , it is a waste of resources/money n must be withdrawn or amended. Some parts of the new bus services routes are purposely drawn to duplicate current services route to help to spread out the paxes.
As if sbstransit or smrt wan to operate the bus services during off peak hours? If they can they will just operate all bus services during peak hours to maximise their earning n minimise their running costs.
Originally posted by lemon1974:Here we go again. Ppl are still having the mind sets that all bus yservices (new or old) must be crowded during all operating hours. As long as some buses/services are not crowded , it is a waste of resources/money n must be withdrawn or amended. Some parts of the new bus services routes are purposely drawn to duplicate current services route to help to spread out the paxes.
As if sbstransit or smrt wan to operate the bus services during off peak hours? If they can they will just operate all bus services during peak hours to maximise their earning n minimise their running costs.
You can't say that...
Svcs like 12, 27, 240, 372 do have load during off-peak.
List goes on.
120? Nah.
What you have to understand is that some svcs have such a low ridership during off-peak it does not justify the amount of buses deployed or even warrant the operating times. For example, every weekends and every night after 8 svc 5 gets full SD fleet due to lower ridership.
Go look at HK. They do reduce svcs to run only on weekday peak to cut down costs and save taxpayers money. When loading gets too low and the svc has little exclusive area to run (ie heavy duplication along most of its route). You have to understand, resources are not infinite. In fact new svcs in HK are introduced through regrouping and reshuffling its current bus svcs. As such some svcs get reduced or even withdrawn to introduce a new svc, or add freq to another high-demand svc.
I give you one example. Svc 798, TKL/TKO <-> Shatin. Express svc. During Peak hour gets so crowded with so many people going to Shatin in the morning (and vice versa) even an average freq of 7 mins with 12m DDs could barely cope with the load. Fleet came from withdrawn 796B, which very rarely gets crowded, and downgraded 797M, which is practically empty during off-peak.
You see how resources are used here? Same should be applied to 120. In fact had it not been the quite-acceptable load during peak I would have thought it to be withdrawn. Now that there are some load after all (seen quite a number alighting from 120 during AM peak), maybe it should be dealt with another way. Either way it will be able to benefit more people out there.
Too many operational buses during off-peak? No problem. How about operating schedules such as this:
http://www.transperth.wa.gov.au/timetablePDFs/Bus%20Timetable%20120%2020140601.pdf