LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) (Part 2)
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
i think a new bus service is going to be introduced via Defu industrial estate. years after sv 323 was withdrawn and these bus-stops disused, new bollards were recently erected at these bus-stops.
Wow, it's coming true now!
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
agree. thats what i feedback to LTA before. i think a new centralised ADD friendly bus hub at CGA is good enough. just build next to CGA MRT stn. pax from all PTB just take skytrain to the bus hub/MRT stn. it can help cut down some buses from every route and improve effciency. also can save manpower by police to man each gantry leading to the existing PTB.That's what I have suggested here in SGF not so long ago... But some stuck up idiot come and talk absurd and think I must be crazy... Think he must be too spoilt alr, can take first class and roll red carpet at arrival hall and board BMW speed to the city, and don't know how many dozens of poor folks miss bus 27 everyday...
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Wow Defu there?Wonder where it starts from?
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So this explains the HGDEP BSEP buses remaining spare.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
That's what I have suggested here in SGF not so long ago... But some stuck up idiot come and talk absurd and think I must be crazy... Think he must be too spoilt alr, can take first class and roll red carpet at arrival hall and board BMW speed to the city, and don't know how many dozens of poor folks miss bus 27 everyday...
I wrote a feedback regarding this same idea to CAG when they firstly announced about project jewel some months back on this and they mentioned that they would forward this feedback to the project team to look into it.
Project Jewel is the prime location for such an interchange, since it has skytrain connectivity to both T2 and T3 (the skytrain passes through the building) and 5 minutes walking distance from T1. CGA MRT station is right below as well.
Unfortunately from the latest press release in Dec they mentioned that "There will be facilities dedicated to the fly-cruise and fly-coach passenger segment..." and nothing about a transport interchange.
They did mention about it being "a node that improves connectivity between Terminals 1, 2, 3 and the Changi Airport MRT station." though, but not sure in what ways.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
I wrote a feedback regarding this same idea to CAG when they firstly announced about project jewel some months back on this and they mentioned that they would forward this feedback to the project team to look into it.
Project Jewel is the prime location for such an interchange, since it has skytrain connectivity to both T2 and T3 (the skytrain passes through the building) and 5 minutes walking distance from T1. CGA MRT station is right below as well.
Unfortunately from the latest press release in Dec they mentioned that "There will be facilities dedicated to the fly-cruise and fly-coach passenger segment..." and nothing about a transport interchange.
They did mention about it being "a node that improves connectivity between Terminals 1, 2, 3 and the Changi Airport MRT station." though, but not sure in what ways.
It just shows how much SG detests travelling to CGA by bus...
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
That's what I have suggested here in SGF not so long ago... But some stuck up idiot come and talk absurd and think I must be crazy... Think he must be too spoilt alr, can take first class and roll red carpet at arrival hall and board BMW speed to the city, and don't know how many dozens of poor folks miss bus 27 everyday...
so who is that "Suck up idiot"? u were complaining that time that why the govt never plan properly when they start building the airport in the 1970s.... no one blast abt you asking to build NEW DD friendly terminal...
guess you are that suck up idiot who keep on complaining about sv27.... so tell me how many ppl miss Sv27 everyday since u have all the data and how many mins they have to wait for the next Sv27 bus?
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
so who is that "Suck up idiot"? u were complaining that time that why the govt never plan properly when they start building the airport in the 1970s.... no one blast abt you asking to build NEW DD friendly terminal...
guess you are that suck up idiot who keep on complaining about sv27.... so tell me how many ppl miss Sv27 everyday since u have all the data and how many mins they have to wait for the next Sv27 bus?
Being quite a regular commuter of 27, the maximum amount of buses that I have ever missed is 3 buses. Because the first bus, which is late, just alighted passengers and left, leaving the next bus, which bunched up behind to pick up passengers. Then the 3rd bus that bunched up arrived behind and skipped the stop, much to everyone's annoyance. But usually you wouldn't be able to board the first bus, because nowadays the commuters of 27 are very smart, all crowd around at the door area so they can board. And when the bus arrive they usually push their way in. Also after 8.30PM, the average frequency of 27 buses is 10-15mins (towards Hougang Int), and the buses are very full.
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
Being quite a regular commuter of 27, the maximum amount of buses that I have ever missed is 3 buses. Because the first bus, which is late, just alighted passengers and left, leaving the next bus, which bunched up behind to pick up passengers. Then the 3rd bus that bunched up arrived behind and skipped the stop, much to everyone's annoyance. But usually you wouldn't be able to board the first bus, because nowadays the commuters of 27 are very smart, all crowd around at the door area so they can board. And when the bus arrive they usually push their way in. Also after 8.30PM, the average frequency of 27 buses is 10-15mins (towards Hougang Int), and the buses are very full.
at least sv27 have such good frequency in addition to those Sv27A buses (and downroute buses) as well..... with good frequency, bunching is unavoidable, esp when the bus are stuck at each bus stop for few mins due to irresponsible passengers who refuse to move in and who insist on standing near the entrance..
and at night time, almost every service have bad frequency......
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
so who is that "Suck up idiot"? u were complaining that time that why the govt never plan properly when they start building the airport in the 1970s.... no one blast abt you asking to build NEW DD friendly terminal...
guess you are that suck up idiot who keep on complaining about sv27.... so tell me how many ppl miss Sv27 everyday since u have all the data and how many mins they have to wait for the next Sv27 bus?
Well I didn't want to identify him since I don't wanna start a flamewar. But if you want to take up the title then go ahead.
I did mention about CGA's infrasturucture, but I also mentioned about a ground terminal, AT THE VERY SAME TIME. I got a negative response lol.
Please lah, it's already 2013, it's time to move on. I did not expect them to plan at that time, but I wish they can improve NOW. Why T3 still use basement? It's been the 21st century when they planned it.
You very smart right? You always correct right? You go and tell the people to continue cramming into 27 lah. Tell the ground staff they are useless fuckers and don't deserve better transportation lah! Yes 27 is very frequent, but is it CONSISTENT? And you go observe the queue at CGA, and the full loaded buses at SATS kitchen. I DARE you say 27 is enjoyable to ride on.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
so who is that "Suck up idiot"? u were complaining that time that why the govt never plan properly when they start building the airport in the 1970s.... no one blast abt you asking to build NEW DD friendly terminal...
guess you are that suck up idiot who keep on complaining about sv27.... so tell me how many ppl miss Sv27 everyday since u have all the data and how many mins they have to wait for the next Sv27 bus?
And btw, what's a suck up idiot?
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Hopefully there is a ground open terminal for CGA..Underground basement with height resrtiction and narrow roads is a pain in the ass
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Hopefully there is a ground open terminal for CGA..Underground basement with height resrtiction and narrow roads is a pain in the ass
ya agree. the T1 bus basement design is pre-1980s and looking at the vast airport development and population increase over the years, the design is already long out-dated. and still must tahan the exhaust fumes when waiting for the bus inside the basement and cross the driveway to and fro which is unsafe. CGA really needs an aircon bus hub. a new bus hub also provide more decent rest place for bus captains and buses to park. -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
Wow Defu there?Wonder where it starts from?
any possibility to extend sv 115 to cover Defu and then terminate at HG Ctrl? -
Tourists coming to SG are "ENCOURAGED" to get to city via cabs or MRT...
Buses are not that actively promoted due to
1. Public buses no luggage racks
2. To Foreigners, taxis are more affordable as their exchange rate against SGD is stronger
3. Trains/Cabs are faster as they make fewer stops(MRT) than public buses
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
ya agree. the T1 bus basement design is pre-1980s and looking at the vast airport development and population increase over the years, the design is already long out-dated. and still must tahan the exhaust fumes when waiting for the bus inside the basement and cross the driveway to and fro which is unsafe. CGA really needs an aircon bus hub. a new bus hub also provide more decent rest place for bus captains and buses to park.Agreed bro,But the Terminal itself is better situated at T1 coach bays which is more centralised.Project jewel plan is to connect inter terminals between 1, 2, 3.Can also introduced a feeder from the terminal to T4 also
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
any possibility to extend sv 115 to cover Defu and then terminate at HG Ctrl?50/50 bro but I feel its better 115 start from Hgdep looping at Hg St 21 via Defu
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Tourists coming to SG are "ENCOURAGED" to get to city via cabs or MRT...
Buses are not that actively promoted due to
1. Public buses no luggage racks
2. To Foreigners, taxis are more affordable as their exchange rate against SGD is stronger
3. Trains/Cabs are faster as they make fewer stops(MRT) than public buses
4. Transfers to other lines are seamless(supposedly)Actually truth to be told, buses are actively promoted, just not the public buses.
As a tourist, if you dont want to take MRT there is a hotel transfer option that uses the 9 seater T3 livery coasters/rosa minibus. A direct trip from the airport to the hotel costs just $9 sgd.
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It is problem for all
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
And btw, what's a suck up idiot?
refer to you loh...
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
refer to you loh...
I mean, is there such thing as a suck up idiot?
Bet there isn't lol
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Well I didn't want to identify him since I don't wanna start a flamewar. But if you want to take up the title then go ahead.
I did mention about CGA's infrasturucture, but I also mentioned about a ground terminal, AT THE VERY SAME TIME. I got a negative response lol.
Please lah, it's already 2013, it's time to move on. I did not expect them to plan at that time, but I wish they can improve NOW. Why T3 still use basement? It's been the 21st century when they planned it.
You very smart right? You always correct right? You go and tell the people to continue cramming into 27 lah. Tell the ground staff they are useless fuckers and don't deserve better transportation lah! Yes 27 is very frequent, but is it CONSISTENT? And you go observe the queue at CGA, and the full loaded buses at SATS kitchen. I DARE you say 27 is enjoyable to ride on.
improve T3 and put the bus stops outside the departure hall or arrival hall? maybe u can go and design the terminal instead... now u can send your proposal for T4/T5 in...
is there a need to insult those ground staffs? did they offend you? so only those airport workers all deserve to have seat on the bus after work? then maybe i should go complain to SBST and ask them deploy full DD on Sv72B since every trip are full till the door as well.
already give good frequency what else you want? no WAB buses u complain... no DD u complain.. good frequency u complain.. bunched up you also complain... then u go call up SBST/LTA everyday lah.. ask them go observe the crowds...as if SBST does not know what they are doing? You sound like that every trips of SV27 are FULL LOADED from start point to end point.... cant take Sv27 take sv34 and transfer lah... or take sv53 to pasir ris and transfer to 89 lah...
and btw, bus rides ARE NOT enjoyable at all...u wan enjoyable bus rides, then go take during off peak hours...or midnight... during peak hours, u expect to have seats for everyone and enjoyable bus rides??
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I mean, is there such thing as a suck up idiot?
Bet there isn't lol
yes.. there is.. refer to u loh... go check the meaning lah.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
improve T3 and put the bus stops outside the departure hall or arrival hall? maybe u can go and design the terminal instead... now u can send your proposal for T4/T5 in...
is there a need to insult those ground staffs? did they offend you? so only those airport workers all deserve to have seat on the bus after work? then maybe i should go complain to SBST and ask them deploy full DD on Sv72B since every trip are full till the door as well.
already give good frequency what else you want? no WAB buses u complain... no DD u complain.. good frequency u complain.. bunched up you also complain... then u go call up SBST/LTA everyday lah.. ask them go observe the crowds...as if SBST does not know what they are doing? You sound like that every trips of SV27 are FULL LOADED from start point to end point.... cant take Sv27 take sv34 and transfer lah... or take sv53 to pasir ris and transfer to 89 lah...
and btw, bus rides ARE NOT enjoyable at all...u wan enjoyable bus rides, then go take during off peak hours...or midnight... during peak hours, u expect to have seats for everyone and enjoyable bus rides??
Okay, where to begin...
Firstly, there is no need to insult of course. Okay I'm sorry for using hersh words, but all these are going out to show how simply selfish you are. I mean, why not YOU try to take 27 everyday during PM peak?
And now the frequency. Good frequency, but all bunched up! So people end up waiting nearly 20 mins for a bunch of buses! Okay so it's good frequency, but due to jams and all that the frequency has lost its advantage! Imagine if there are DDs, each bus can take more load, and less bunching will occur. And some of the SDs can be deployed to other svcs!
Take 27 transfer 34? 53 to 89? Problem is, transfer to WHERE? Half the busloaf unloads at Blk 190C bus stop to change to other svcs, do you think anyone will want to take 34? And do you know how much time is wasted for 53 to 89? And BTW, 53 has severe crowding issues at CGA too.
Did I expect everyone to have seats? I will tell you, no. But would you like to be literally packed like sardines or worse still, miss buses? I doubt so.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Okay, where to begin...
Firstly, there is no need to insult of course. Okay I'm sorry for using hersh words, but all these are going out to show how simply selfish you are. I mean, why not YOU try to take 27 everyday during PM peak?
And now the frequency. Good frequency, but all bunched up! So people end up waiting nearly 20 mins for a bunch of buses! Okay so it's good frequency, but due to jams and all that the frequency has lost its advantage! Imagine if there are DDs, each bus can take more load, and less bunching will occur. And some of the SDs can be deployed to other svcs!
Take 27 transfer 34? 53 to 89? Problem is, transfer to WHERE? Half the busloaf unloads at Blk 190C bus stop to change to other svcs, do you think anyone will want to take 34? And do you know how much time is wasted for 53 to 89? And BTW, 53 has severe crowding issues at CGA too.
Did I expect everyone to have seats? I will tell you, no. But would you like to be literally packed like sardines or worse still, miss buses? I doubt so.
Pls lah.. you sound as if i have not taken bus before? i dun think u even try taking those non aircon buses which squeeze like sardines in the past? loud engines, dirty interior etc...
jams? which roads not jam in Singapore and which bus services are not affected by jam/traffic light etc etc? and u sound as if sv27 buses alway come at 20 mins frequency with 3-4 buses together.. it does happen but does not apply to every trip...
depending on where u want to go... there are way to transfer buses... u need to be flexible....
if u r talking about packed sardines buses or missed buses, there are other services which have much more bad frequency and more packed.....