LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) (Part 2)
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
All these comments about 502, 506 and 518 make me wonder if they are actually needed now... Do we need to make them have more express sectors, or have them as trunks with a good frequency (10 mins or below)?
These three routes have a niche demand and are full during peak hours.
I use them to save time even though I pay 60 cents more (time is money).
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Pardon me, but why are some of us here seemingly so obsessed with whether Sv 518 needs a BSEP add? Doesn't a non-BSEP fleet add do the same job too?
Furthermore, a non-BSEP fleet add could be a full-day bus somemore. Isn't that even better?
If we're talking about BSEP, that restricts it to only Citaros. I wouldn't mind if Sv 518 gets an additional KUB though, as long as they kope from those that had their gearboxes tuned somewhat previously (eg those perm Sv 36).
unsure if Express services will get BSEP as it is not a trunk route...
Did highlight before for 518 to increase capacity in evenings but was turned down, standard reason, current scheduled fleet is able to cope with demand... -
Return 502 back to Hougang.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
unsure if Express services will get BSEP as it is not a trunk route...
Did highlight before for 518 to increase capacity in evenings but was turned down, standard reason, current scheduled fleet is able to cope with demand...The issue with Express routes is their reliability (or lack thereof).
An extra downroute or two from the CBD might be able to help.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Return 502 back to Hougang.
Good idea n i dun nd 2 squeeze 147...
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Idk why you semeed to have a problem with minibuses being deployed on Sv 358P though? Is it really that significant or important to have full-sized coaches on such a svc, when I had posted earlier that Sv 358P's demand is way lower than Sv 359P + the tight junction along the route?
I also dk why you seems to have an issue over my post...
Just a comment, no problem(if you think there is..., NO HARD FEELING, cheers :) )
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358P :
Bus was damn bumpy, abit jialat than KUBs...
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Return 502 back to Hougang.
I think throw to Punggol better?
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Pardon me, but why are some of us here seemingly so obsessed with whether Sv 518 needs a BSEP add? Doesn't a non-BSEP fleet add do the same job too?
Furthermore, a non-BSEP fleet add could be a full-day bus somemore. Isn't that even better? If we're talking about BSEP, that restricts it to only Citaros. I wouldn't mind if Sv 518 gets an additional KUB though, as long as they kope from those that had their gearboxes tuned somewhat previously (eg those perm Sv 36).
It needs something between a DD and a rigid. A 2 axis DD (that will never happens) maybe? It needs at least a x-over DD during peak
8 could get a SWT from Blk 322 to Tamp East CC (and vice versa). IMO, 15's SWT should start from PSR Dr 1 instead (Buses leaving PSR Int is almost always full during AM peak).
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Add on SBS3392A in CGBP 28 for BSEP improvements. 28 uses to have 23 buses, with BSEP, 24 buses currently running.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Pardon me, but why are some of us here seemingly so obsessed with whether Sv 518 needs a BSEP add? Doesn't a non-BSEP fleet add do the same job too?
Furthermore, a non-BSEP fleet add could be a full-day bus somemore. Isn't that even better? If we're talking about BSEP, that restricts it to only Citaros. I wouldn't mind if Sv 518 gets an additional KUB though, as long as they kope from those that had their gearboxes tuned somewhat previously (eg those perm Sv 36).
Doesn't matter... Just needs a fleet add.. Even 506... Specifying BSEP bcos it is not for profit,
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
...are some of us here seemingly so obsessed with whether Sv 518 needs a BSEP add? Doesn't a non-BSEP fleet add do the same job too? Furthermore, a non-BSEP fleet add could be a full-day bus somemore. Isn't that even better? If we're ...
Actually I'm perfectly fine either way.
As long as I could properly fit into 518 on Friday and beer nights I don't really care which bus is doing the job.
But judging from how SBST themselves didn't even bother about this service for the past few years I think it's time LTA come in and help.
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Yest evening saw citaro 518(shld b last bus) around 2321 ECP fully seated...
But can cfm fr 9 plus to 10 plus getting a seat after PS is difficult
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307 really needs BSEP... I expect at least 2 BSEP fleet adds for 307, as it gets really crowded at CCK Int (> CCK St 62) and CCK Ave 4 (Opp Lot 1 shop Ctr) to Teck Whye...
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
307 really needs BSEP... I expect at least 2 BSEP fleet adds for 307, as it gets really crowded at CCK Int (> CCK St 62) and CCK Ave 4 (Opp Lot 1 shop Ctr) to Teck Whye...
Maybe the BSEP MANdys
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Yest evening saw citaro 518(shld b last bus) around 2321 ECP fully seated...
But can cfm fr 9 plus to 10 plus getting a seat after PS is difficult
After 7-8 pm every weekend getting ON is difficult after entering MBS...
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If I recall correctly, 518's last bus seems to leave Orchard at around 12 midnight. I do not know why it took two hours for off-peak traffic to travel from PSR - CBD, but it normally reaches TP at around 12.45am. Last bus at Loyang (PSR bound) is about 1am, I think
I also remember the driver trying to squeeze people into the last bus at Bayfront MRT back then.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Good idea n i dun nd 2 squeeze 147...
but will it be done???Will not happen and does not make sense to have such a long route via Cbd..
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
307 really needs BSEP... I expect at least 2 BSEP fleet adds for 307, as it gets really crowded at CCK Int (> CCK St 62) and CCK Ave 4 (Opp Lot 1 shop Ctr) to Teck Whye...
Got 307P now...
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
If I recall correctly, 518's last bus seems to leave Orchard at around 12 midnight. I do not know why it took two hours for off-peak traffic to travel from PSR - CBD, but it normally reaches TP at around 12.45am. Last bus at Loyang (PSR bound) is about 1am, I think
I also remember the driver trying to squeeze people into the last bus at Bayfront MRT back then.
i know that even during offpeak hours during daytime, the long 2-lane slip road from PIE towards CTE is often terribly jammed. -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Will not happen and does not make sense to have such a long route via Cbd..
Would rather 502 to be express to Hougang...
Perhaps make it service KPE -> HG Ave 7 -> Ave 8 -> Ave 10 -> Rivervale -> Sengkang Int?
To city: opposite of above, fly HG ave 2 and AMK Ave 3 to CTE towards Orchard
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
i know that even during offpeak hours during daytime, the long 2-lane slip road from PIE towards CTE is often terribly jammed.Not for yesterday...
Took a 518 to city ytd and passed by that place at 12.50pm, bus managed to embark onto CTE with no troubles...
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Actually I'm perfectly fine either way.
As long as I could properly fit into 518 on Friday and beer nights I don't really care which bus is doing the job.
But judging from how SBST themselves didn't even bother about this service for the past few years I think it's time LTA come in and help.
I do agree that it's high time now that Sv 518 gets a new fleet add. Its last fleet add was like 4 years ago (2699Y was the bus then IIRC). But i would rather they add a full-day bus to Sv 518 rather than a S-Shift or even E-Shift.
Because Sv 518's crowds differs heavily depending on the events along its route (think along the line of the events along TP, Orchard, Suntec etc), and those aren't exactly conforming to the regular office-working hours imo..
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513 should convert into full day ops but off peak around 17-23mins okay..can provide alternative.