Route Suggestions (Part 5)
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Recently, LTA wrote an article (Factors to consider before launching bus services) to respond to the "numerous requests for public bus services".
Well, there is something I do not quite understand.
What does it mean if "the provision of such services comes at the expense of other bus routes that serve more commuters"?
Is it that the new bus services would cause a fall in ridership of the other bus services?
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New bus routes means more manpower,more testings,more plannings and more money spend...If its parallel to other services then slightly affect the other svc ridership.
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
Recently, LTA wrote an article (Factors to consider before launching bus services) to respond to the "numerous requests for public bus services".
Well, there is something I do not quite understand.
What does it mean if "the provision of such services comes at the expense of other bus routes that serve more commuters"?
Is it that the new bus services would cause a fall in ridership of the other bus services?
Not like LTA has been very good at route planning... They should create new connections and reduce duplication of routes.
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
Sv 103M Serangoon Interchange - Jalan Kayu (Loop)
Freq : 10mins - 15mins
Operating Hrs : 1st bus : 0700hrs Last Bus : 2330hrs
*This Bus Service Operates Only On Weekends and Public Holidays only*
Fleet : SBS894M SBS2695H SBS2750G SBS2652G SBS6406A
Sv 103 can be opt to run with 30-40 min freq on Weekends,PHs (Like JIS bus svcs.)
Fleet : SBS6344U SBS916J SBS939T
Serangoon Interchange
Upp Serangoon Rd
Yio Chu Kang Link (Express)
Yio Chu Kang Rd
Sengkang West Way Rd
Sengkang West Way
Jalan Kayu
Sengkang West Way
Sengkang West Way Rd
Yio Chu Kang Rd
Yio Chu Kang Link (Express)
Upp Serangoon Rd
Serangoon Interchange
I have proposed this route because the amount of Foreign Workers taking this bus svc from their dorms @ Jalan kayu on Sundays and PHs are in loads. Also, the people who are travelling to nex also utilise this bus service if svcs 43,70 hasnt arrived. It would be a good SWT on weekends and PHs.
i was thinking if it be better for 103 to be extended to Yishun Int via Yishun Ave 1 from Seletar. in this way the workers from seletar can travel a much shorter and direct route to Yishun. -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Not like LTA has been very good at route planning... They should create new connections and reduce duplication of routes.
ha. agree with your views. theres a ST article a last week by a former minister? (i forgot). That article was very well written as he analysed many areas and possibilities of what may happen to the new bus contracts model. i thing he said is LTA should have a very good understanding of the local bus industry situation and understand better than the operators in order to implement wisely. he also cautioned of unhealthy competition till workers suffer from deep pay cuts etc; just like what happened to the cleaning industry. -
Service 166A during peak hours
Ang Mo Kio Int - Upper Thomson Rd
Ang Mo Kio Int,Blk 324,Blk 209,AMK Pr Sch,Opp Mayflower Sec Sch,Opp Blk 246,Opp Blk 248,Aft AMK Ave 1
Loading has been high from AMK Int to this stretch from 7am to 7.15am due to students going to school at many schools and services 132,165 and 169 also cannot handle the load.
The schools are AMK Sec,AMK Pri,Mayflower Sec,Bishan Pk Sec and Peirce Sec. This stretch can have double decks full to front and difficulty boarding. SBS8691D is currently deployed at this timing and has around 10 people left behind at Ang Mo Kio Primary Stop. The loading drops at Opp Mayflower Sec Sch as majority of the students are from this school. However, loading remains until the last bus stop, and from then loading is smooth.
Bus deployed for this service should be 3 double decks and 1 single deck,with a frequency of 4-7 minutes.
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Originally posted by TIB1112L:
Service 166A during peak hours
Ang Mo Kio Int - Upper Thomson Rd
Ang Mo Kio Int,Blk 324,Blk 209,AMK Pr Sch,Opp Mayflower Sec Sch,Opp Blk 246,Opp Blk 248,Aft AMK Ave 1
Loading has been high from AMK Int to this stretch from 7am to 7.15am due to students going to school at many schools and services 132,165 and 169 also cannot handle the load.
The schools are AMK Sec,AMK Pri,Mayflower Sec,Bishan Pk Sec and Peirce Sec. This stretch can have double decks full to front and difficulty boarding. SBS8691D is currently deployed at this timing and has around 10 people left behind at Ang Mo Kio Primary Stop. The loading drops at Opp Mayflower Sec Sch as majority of the students are from this school. However, loading remains until the last bus stop, and from then loading is smooth.
Bus deployed for this service should be 3 double decks and 1 single deck,with a frequency of 4-7 minutes.
donkey years ago in the mid 90s while i was in poly, i used to take 166 from old AMK Int often. back then majority are DDs and morning freq was 4mins. now i dont know... -
166 comes every 9 minutes...
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At this moment, Jurong West lacks a few intra-town bus connections:
- Pioneer/Gek Poh & Taman Jurong
- Bulim & Boon Lay/Taman Jurong
In future, there will be new industrial developments at Bulim and Tukang.
To anticipate future demands for bus services to the two new industrial areas and to provide for the missing intra-town bus connections in Jurong West, I would like to suggest a 16.8km route extension to bus route 181
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
- Jurong West Central3/ Street64&75/ Avenue5&3
- Jurong West Street 25
- Bulim Drive
- Bulim Avenue
- Corporation Road
- Boon Lay Avenue
- Boon Lay Place
- Boon Lay Drive
- Corporation Road
- Boon Lay Way
- Yuan Ching Road
- Yung Ho Road
- Jalan Tukang
- Tukang Innovation Grove
- Tukang Innovation Drive
- Tukang Innovation Drive (minor road)
- Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim
- Yuan Ching Road
- Boon Lay Way
- Corporation Road
- Boon Lay Drive
- Boon Lay Place
- Boon Lay Avenue
- Corporation Road
- Bulim Avenue
- Bulim Drive
- Jurong West Street 25
- Jurong West Avenue3&5/ Street75&64/ Central 3
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
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Originally posted by TIB1112L:
Service 166A during peak hours
Ang Mo Kio Int - Upper Thomson Rd
Ang Mo Kio Int,Blk 324,Blk 209,AMK Pr Sch,Opp Mayflower Sec Sch,Opp Blk 246,Opp Blk 248,Aft AMK Ave 1
Loading has been high from AMK Int to this stretch from 7am to 7.15am due to students going to school at many schools and services 132,165 and 169 also cannot handle the load.
The schools are AMK Sec,AMK Pri,Mayflower Sec,Bishan Pk Sec and Peirce Sec. This stretch can have double decks full to front and difficulty boarding. SBS8691D is currently deployed at this timing and has around 10 people left behind at Ang Mo Kio Primary Stop. The loading drops at Opp Mayflower Sec Sch as majority of the students are from this school. However, loading remains until the last bus stop, and from then loading is smooth.
Bus deployed for this service should be 3 double decks and 1 single deck,with a frequency of 4-7 minutes.
Many options from AMK to AMK ave 1.. And Sv 166 gets around 45-50 pax at interchange. Bus can accommodate more than 100 pax.. Alternately, 132/165 both have empty capacity as lot of people alight at AMK MRT (# of people boarding May be half of those who alight).
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FFW 5e Pasir Ris Int - Bukit Merah Int
1st bus : 0712hrs Last Bus : 0748hrs
Frequency Range : 12minutes
*This bus service operates only on weekdays.*
Fleet : SBS2701Z SBS2778C SBS9838S SBS7665L
Pasir Ris Interchange
Pasir Ris Dr 3
Express
Upp Changi Rd North/East
Simei Rd/ Simei St 3
Express
Tampines Ave 1 (SAFRA)
Bedok Reservoir Road
Kaki Bukit Ave 1
Jln Damai/Tenaga
Kaki Bukit Ave 1
Eunos Link/ Jln Eunos
PIE
Jln Toa Payoh
Thomson Rd
Newton Rd
Scotts Rd
Paterson Rd
Irwell Bank Rd
Outram Rd
Tiong Bahru Rd
Bukit Merah Interchange
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1st bus : 0715hrs Last Bus : 1830hrs
Frequency Range : 25 - 55mins
Fleet : Any 2 KUBs from HGDEP.
380W : 1 bus
380G : 1 bus
*This bus service has a similar system as Sv 115(Frequency and no mealbreak crossovers) and Sv 225G/W system.
Sv 380W Punggol Int - Punggol Int
Punggol Int
Punggol Pl
Sentul Cresent [Sam Kee LRT Stn]
Sumang Link [Nibong Lrt Stn]
Punggol Way [Sumang Lrt Stn]
Punggol Central
Punggol Int
*Estimated to be 2.9 - 3.2KM
Sv 380G Punggol Int - Punggol Int
Punggol Int
Punggol Central
Punggol Way [Opp Sumang LRT stn]
Sumang Link [Opp Nibong LRT stn]
Sentul Crescent [Sam Kee LRT stn]
Punggol Pl
Punggol Int
*Estimated to be 2.8KM - 3.1KM
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Sv 164 Punggol Int - Woodlands Reg Int (Loop)
Freq Range : 15 mins
1st bus : 0630hrs Last bus : 2300hrs
Fleet : Any 2 wrights and 3 KUBs from HGDEP.
Weekdays : 5 buses
Weekends : 4 buses
Special Sundays : 3 buses
*This bus service's purpose is to relieve load on Sv 161/Sv 965 and gives another alternative for Punggol Residents and commuters transferring or commuting to woodlands from Punggol/Sengkang/Sengkang TPE bus stop.
Punggol Int
Punggol Field
Punggol Rd
TPE
TPE Future Bus Stop
SLE
Woodlands Ave 2
Woodlands Reg Interchange
Woodlands Ave 2
SLE
TPE Future Bus Stop
TPE
Punggol Rd
Punggol Field
Punggol Interchange
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
Sv 164 Punggol Int - Woodlands Reg Int (Loop)
Freq Range : 15 mins
1st bus : 0630hrs Last bus : 2300hrs
Fleet : Any 2 wrights and 3 KUBs from HGDEP.
Weekdays : 5 buses
Weekends : 4 buses
Special Sundays : 3 buses
*This bus service's purpose is to relieve load on Sv 161/Sv 965 and gives another alternative for Punggol Residents and commuters transferring or commuting to woodlands from Punggol/Sengkang/Sengkang TPE bus stop.
Punggol Int
Punggol Field
Punggol Rd
TPE
TPE Future Bus Stop
SLE
Woodlands Ave 2
Woodlands Reg Interchange
Woodlands Ave 2
SLE
TPE Future Bus Stop
TPE
Punggol Rd
Punggol Field
Punggol Interchange
Hi mr SBS5010P, very good. Short and sweet. But i dont think it will happen lor. Thanks for thinking for the welfare of punggol residents. We are having 161 along punggol road (at sengkang side) and also the upcoming sbs 168 at TPE stop soon. We are going to have many services although our estate is at one end of singapore where nobody likes due to the distance. Soon it gonna all change.
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For jurongwestresident's proposed extension of 181, good connection between bulim, boon lay and taman jurong, but off peak and weekend loading towards the industrial area at tukang would likely be quite low. maybe can operate similar to 98/98M.
For SBS5010P's punggol feeder 380, the connection to punggol way and sumang link can also be made by amending 43 to serve these roads instead of punggol central. but judging from how the lrt stations along punggol dr were opened first before svc 50 was introduced, it is possible that lrt will serve as the main means of transport for the new flats at nibong and sumang, with a bus svc only coming some time later.
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Originally posted by 201911:
For jurongwestresident's proposed extension of 181, good connection between bulim, boon lay and taman jurong, but off peak and weekend loading towards the industrial area at tukang would likely be quite low. maybe can operate similar to 98/98M.
For SBS5010P's punggol feeder 380, the connection to punggol way and sumang link can also be made by amending 43 to serve these roads instead of punggol central. but judging from how the lrt stations along punggol dr were opened first before svc 50 was introduced, it is possible that lrt will serve as the main means of transport for the new flats at nibong and sumang, with a bus svc only coming some time later.
Hi mr 201911, Punggol west LRT is operating soon by end June 2014. Frequency may be reduced at this stage. LRT will definitely come first before any bus services are routed in! Cheers.
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
At this moment, Jurong West lacks a few intra-town bus connections:
- Pioneer/Gek Poh & Taman Jurong
- Bulim & Boon Lay/Taman Jurong
In future, there will be new industrial developments at Bulim and Tukang.
To anticipate future demands for bus services to the two new industrial areas and to provide for the missing intra-town bus connections in Jurong West, I would like to suggest a 16.8km route extension to bus route 181
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
- Jurong West Central3/ Street64&75/ Avenue5&3
- Jurong West Street 25
- Bulim Drive
- Bulim Avenue
- Corporation Road
- Boon Lay Avenue
- Boon Lay Place
- Boon Lay Drive
- Corporation Road
- Boon Lay Way
- Yuan Ching Road
- Yung Ho Road
- Jalan Tukang
- Tukang Innovation Grove
- Tukang Innovation Drive
- Tukang Innovation Drive (minor road)
- Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim
- Yuan Ching Road
- Boon Lay Way
- Corporation Road
- Boon Lay Drive
- Boon Lay Place
- Boon Lay Avenue
- Corporation Road
- Bulim Avenue
- Bulim Drive
- Jurong West Street 25
- Jurong West Avenue3&5/ Street75&64/ Central 3
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
Sorry, but I do not think it is wise to provide the intra-town bus connections with an extension of bus 181.
- + From the perspective of the people staying along the current 181 route, the distance travelled on your proposed extended route is actually longer than the distance currently travelled with a transfer made at boon lay bus interchange;
- + Besides the availability of seats, there is no incentive for them to commute on the extended 181 to other parts of Jurong West.
- Case 1: Gek Poh Shopping Centre to Jurong Secondary School (#21759)
- *current (243W/181 [from #27389] & 154 [from bus int]) - 5.8km
- *on extended 181 (from #27381, at blk749) - 7.65km (1.85km longer)
- Case 2: Gek Poh Shopping Centre to Jurong JC
- *current (185 [from #27439 (blk861) to #21169]) - 2.4km
- *current (99 [from #27349 (blk745) to #28539 (after the petrol station)] - 3.2km
- *on extended 181 [from #27381 (blk749) to #21169] - 3.89km (0.69km longer)
- Case 3: blk 272 to Jurong Secondary School
- *current {199 [from #27099, next to blk271 MSCP] & 30 [from bus int to #21579 (at the back gate)]} - 5.6km
- *current {199 [from #27099, next to blk271 MSCP] & 154 [from bus int to #21759 (at Fairway Country Club)]} - 6.0km
- *on extended 181 (from #27459 at blk273B to #21759 at Fairway Country Club) - 6.51km (0.51km longer)
- Case 4: Jurong East MRT to blk 272
- *current (MRT to Boon Lay & 199 to #27091 at Sheng Siong) - 6.6km
- *on extended 181 (MRT to Lakeside & 181 to #27451 at blk271A) - 7.56km (0.96km longer)
- Case 5: Boon Lay to Westwood Secondary School (likewise for the flats along Jalan Bahar)
- *current (99 to Jalan Boon Lay [#21371] and transfer to 199/172 to #27101) - 2.6km (from the furthest bus stop in boon lay[#21451])
- *with extended 181 (from #21451 to WWSS, assuming there will be a bus stop near the main gate and the eatery at blk276 MSCP) - 2.9km (0.3km longer)
- Case 6: Taman Jurong to Westwood Secondary School
- *current (154 to bus int and 199 to WWSS) - at most 7.4km (from #21551; southernmost section)
- *current (178 to bus int and 199 to WWSS) - at most 5.8km (from #21181; southernmost section)
- *with extended 181 (to the imaginary new bus stop) - at most 9.7km (from #21559; southernmost section)(2.3km longer)
- Case 7: blk 276C to Jurong Secondary School (#21759)
- *current (181 [from #27461, across the road] & 154 [from bus int]) - 7.0km
- *on extended 181 (from #27469, just next to blk276C) - 6.28km (0.72km shorter)
- Case 8: Jurong East MRT to blk 276C
- *current (MRT to Boon Lay & 181 to #27469 at blk 276C) - 7.9km
- *on extended 181 (MRT to Lakeside & 181 to #27461 across the road) - 4.45km (3.45km shorter)
- + The only people who will benefit are those who stay along Jurong West Street 25 and people working in Bulim Industrial area.
- + Whereas for people working in Tukang Industrial area, there is already 246 and people who work at areas nearer to the expressway can actually walk around 0.5-0.8km from the bus stops at Jalan Tukang.
- + For the people in Boon Lay, there is bus service 199/172 at Jalan Boon Lay and 185 at Corporation Road to Bulim. Besides, there is now bus service 240P to/from Lakeside MRT station during peak hours.
Alternatively, we could- + Extend bus service 181 to Bulim Industrial area and simply loop there.
- + Extend bus service 49 to go around Boon Lay and then go into Bulim Industrial area and terminate there (might as well, since this bus service will be managed by Bulim bus depot in future).
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
1st bus : 0715hrs Last Bus : 1830hrs
Frequency Range : 25 - 55mins
Fleet : Any 2 KUBs from HGDEP.
380W : 1 bus
380G : 1 bus
*This bus service has a similar system as Sv 115(Frequency and no mealbreak crossovers) and Sv 225G/W system.
Sv 380W Punggol Int - Punggol Int
Punggol Int
Punggol Pl
Sentul Cresent [Sam Kee LRT Stn]
Sumang Link [Nibong Lrt Stn]
Punggol Way [Sumang Lrt Stn]
Punggol Central
Punggol Int
*Estimated to be 2.9 - 3.2KM
Sv 380G Punggol Int - Punggol Int
Punggol Int
Punggol Central
Punggol Way [Opp Sumang LRT stn]
Sumang Link [Opp Nibong LRT stn]
Sentul Crescent [Sam Kee LRT stn]
Punggol Pl
Punggol Int
*Estimated to be 2.8KM - 3.1KM
Not sure if you need G and W variant for such a small route... Can just have it loop @ Punggol Way.
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
FFW 5e Pasir Ris Int - Bukit Merah Int
1st bus : 0712hrs Last Bus : 0748hrs
Frequency Range : 12minutes
*This bus service operates only on weekdays.*
Fleet : SBS2701Z SBS2778C SBS9838S SBS7665L
Pasir Ris Interchange
Pasir Ris Dr 3
Express
Upp Changi Rd North/East
Simei Rd/ Simei St 3
Express
Tampines Ave 1 (SAFRA)
Bedok Reservoir Road
Kaki Bukit Ave 1
Jln Damai/Tenaga
Kaki Bukit Ave 1
Eunos Link/ Jln Eunos
PIE
Jln Toa Payoh
Thomson Rd
Newton Rd
Scotts Rd
Paterson Rd
Irwell Bank Rd
Outram Rd
Tiong Bahru Rd
Bukit Merah Interchange
Not express enough.. Just skipping few stops along Tampines rd and Simei Ave does not make the service express. Sv 5 though really needs capacity upgrade. 2 SD slots to DD for sure.
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
1st bus : 0715hrs Last Bus : 1830hrs
Frequency Range : 25 - 55mins
Fleet : Any 2 KUBs from HGDEP.
380W : 1 bus
380G : 1 bus
*This bus service has a similar system as Sv 115(Frequency and no mealbreak crossovers) and Sv 225G/W system.
Sv 380W Punggol Int - Punggol Int
Punggol Int
Punggol Pl
Sentul Cresent [Sam Kee LRT Stn]
Sumang Link [Nibong Lrt Stn]
Punggol Way [Sumang Lrt Stn]
Punggol Central
Punggol Int
*Estimated to be 2.9 - 3.2KM
Sv 380G Punggol Int - Punggol Int
Punggol Int
Punggol Central
Punggol Way [Opp Sumang LRT stn]
Sumang Link [Opp Nibong LRT stn]
Sentul Crescent [Sam Kee LRT stn]
Punggol Pl
Punggol Int
*Estimated to be 2.8KM - 3.1KM
https://www.google.com.sg/maps/ms?msid=205393699395830669082.0004fb79ea33c64fdb196&msa=0
Extend 84 can liao
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
Sv 164 Punggol Int - Woodlands Reg Int (Loop)
Freq Range : 15 mins
1st bus : 0630hrs Last bus : 2300hrs
Fleet : Any 2 wrights and 3 KUBs from HGDEP.
Weekdays : 5 buses
Weekends : 4 buses
Special Sundays : 3 buses
*This bus service's purpose is to relieve load on Sv 161/Sv 965 and gives another alternative for Punggol Residents and commuters transferring or commuting to woodlands from Punggol/Sengkang/Sengkang TPE bus stop.
Punggol Int
Punggol Field
Punggol Rd
TPE
TPE Future Bus Stop
SLE
Woodlands Ave 2
Woodlands Reg Interchange
Woodlands Ave 2
SLE
TPE Future Bus Stop
TPE
Punggol Rd
Punggol Field
Punggol Interchange
I don't see the bus really getting enough pax. A more detailed survey needs to be done.. Also bus cannot stop at TPE future stop (if u know where the location is). It would be good to have a service from Punggol thought o CCK via Yew Tee. This service should pass by Compass Point before joining TPE.
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Proposal for Sv 43M
Punggol Interchange
Punggol Place - one stop
Senthul Crescent - near blk 313A
Punggol Walk - near blk 308A
Punggol Central - blk 264A
Punggol Way - after Soo Teck LRT
Same route until Buangkok Drive
Buangkok Green (2 stops)
Buangkok View (Woodbridge hospital, Alliance International Hospital, Sunlove Home)
and back...
** provides connection to Buangkok MRT and IMH complex
** feeder connection within newly developed Punggol west town to MRT
** trunk connection to Sengkang for Punggol West residents
** operation time: am/pm peak with 1 bus doing down route from Soo Teck to Punggol MRT.
** alternative: loop @ Buangkok Link.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr 201911, Punggol west LRT is operating soon by end June 2014. Frequency may be reduced at this stage. LRT will definitely come first before any bus services are routed in! Cheers.
I strongly suggest Sv 43 should be diverted via Senthul Crescent and Punggol walk before going to Punggol way and continuing on existing route. While LRT will be there, good to have modified Sv 43 to connect residents to Sengkang and YCK road areas as I believe there will be significant pax who will want to go to these towns.
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Originally posted by TIB1112L:
https://www.google.com.sg/maps/ms?msid=205393699395830669082.0004fb79ea33c64fdb196&msa=0
Extend 84 can liao
Sv 43 can do the job...
I foresee Sv 84 will in future will start at Punggol north and connect to Punggol MRT, Punggol west and terminate at upcoming Buangkok Interchange. We have to know that there is significant number of pax between Sengkang and Punggol who travel for malls, schools and other facilities. Hence, a service will be needed to connect these towns directly.
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Originally posted by 201911:
For jurongwestresident's proposed extension of 181, good connection between bulim, boon lay and taman jurong, but off peak and weekend loading towards the industrial area at tukang would likely be quite low. maybe can operate similar to 98/98M.
For SBS5010P's punggol feeder 380, the connection to punggol way and sumang link can also be made by amending 43 to serve these roads instead of punggol central. but judging from how the lrt stations along punggol dr were opened first before svc 50 was introduced, it is possible that lrt will serve as the main means of transport for the new flats at nibong and sumang, with a bus svc only coming some time later.
Yes makes sense to have Sv 181 extended and as you rightly mentioned.. Should be like 98/98M... 181/181M.