Route Suggestions (Part 5)
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
860 actually can start from Sembawang come out from Yishun Ave 1 then loop at its originallooping point..
861 Sembawang-Bukit Batok enough..I dont think theres enough space for SMRT svc thereI believe 860 extension might be reserved for future Canberra area. There are 100+ HDB building coming in Canberra. The ones closest to Canberra Link can have direct access to Canberra MRT stop. Those on the inner streets will need bus service to bring them to Northpoint, Yishun facilities like post, hospital and MRT.
On the other end the service will extend to Sembawang and as you suggested, should start from here and loop around Khatib.
There will also be need for another feeder service within Yishun town once HDB complexes around ave 1, st 51, ave 4 develop. Current services cannot be edited to cater to these demands. This new service should then take care of missing link of 860 between Ring Road and Yishun MRT.
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Originally posted by lftwo1993:
I'm talking about SK west way. You mean along fernvale st?
Those at Cheng Lim/Farmway LRT
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Thanks, I'll take that in mind. ;) Instead of North-Northwest, now I propose Central-Northwest-West from the northern corridor. Hence amendments to my old route:
SBST Service 210 - Bishan Int - Bt Batok Bus Depot
- Bishan St 13 (NS17 Bishan)
- Bishan St 11
- Bishan Rd
- Braddell Rd
- CTE (Express)
- AMK Ave 5
- AMK Ave 6 (NS15 Yio Chu Kang)
- Lentor Ave
- SLE (Express)
- Upp Thomson Rd
- Sembawang Rd
- Mandai Ave
- Mandai Rd
- BKE (Express)
- KJE (Express)
- Woodlands Rd
- Stagmont Ring (Non-stop)
- CCK Link (Non-stop)
- CCK North 6
- CCK Dr (NS5 Yew Tee)
- CCK North 7
- CCK Way
- CCK Ave 4 (NS4 Choa Chu Kang)
- CCK Ave 3
- Brickland Rd (Non-stop)
- Bt Batok Rd
- Bt Batok West Ave 3
- Bt Batok Ctrl (NS2 Bukit Batok)
- Bt Batok East Ave 3
- Bt Batok St 23
Now it connects residential areas to educational institutes (Millenia Inst, BP Govt High, AJC, Nanyang Poly) and camps (Kranji / Mowbray, Mandai, Nee Soon).It's SMRT's fault for insistence on not adding trunk services to Yew Tee (compare SBST's efforts in western Toa Payoh and Sengkang), so this is also a reason why I choose SBS to operate this route, at least for now. To hell with the SMRT town-control in CCK, whatever it's called. It's LTA's era now. (There were quite some complaints in this thread as well)210 serves Braddell Rd / CTE, YCK MRT and Bt Batok Rd instead of Bishan Rd, AMK MRT and Bt Batok West Ave 2 to avoid unnecessary route repetition (especially with 50 / 138), to provide links previously less available, and to make the journey faster (hopefully; I'm not an expert on traffic flow around YCK / CTE).The length of the route may be a problem. Hence possible short trip 210M from Yio Chu Kang Int to Yew Tee.(Initially I wanted to designate the route to be 129, but turns out that one's kinda popular, so well ...
anyway feeders only start from
220.)Not encouraged as can be easily confused for pax... Even if feeders only start from 22_ the first digit still holds more significance.
Why not 144?
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Not encouraged as can be easily confused for pax... Even if feeders only start from 22_ the first digit still holds more significance.
Why not 144?
Not that it really matters, the route number is a lot less important (unless you're a firm believer in feng shui or something), it just came randomly when I was finding a number between 59 and 410. You can number it anything between 1, 68, 108, 144, 150, etc, whatever.
I'm more concerned about the practicality (demand) of the route and how possible it will really be implemented.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Not that it really matters, the route number is a lot less important (unless you're a firm believer in feng shui or something), it just came randomly when I was finding a number between 59 and 410. You can number it anything between 1, 68, 108, 144, 150, etc, whatever.
I'm more concerned about the practicality (demand) of the route and how possible it will really be implemented.
2x/3x/4x = East area
10x = (Serangoon)
x9 = East/West area
160/170 are JB services, so if 150 is introduced it should be JB as well.
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26 could ply Chai Chee St/Dr instead of New Upp Changi Rd. It currently follows 2's and 67's route from Geylang to Bedok. While it is currently their 'support' route, it could help give people in Chai Chee access to Kenbangan MRT.
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
26 could ply Chai Chee St/Dr instead of New Upp Changi Rd. It currently follows 2's and 67's route from Geylang to Bedok. While it is currently their 'support' route, it could help give people in Chai Chee access to Kenbangan MRT.
It should ply in the opposite direction of 222. But I still prefer 854 to do the job instead.
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
26 could ply Chai Chee St/Dr instead of New Upp Changi Rd. It currently follows 2's and 67's route from Geylang to Bedok. While it is currently their 'support' route, it could help give people in Chai Chee access to Kenbangan MRT.
I support your suggestion. It gives both the industrial workers as well as HDBs there a trunk service. We need more services to be modified to provide more direct access.
26 should enter Chai Chee in opposite direction of sv 222 in direction of Bedok and continue on 229's route directly to Bedok Interchange. This will further enhance its usability.
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
Svc 137 AMK - JE
AMK Int
AMK Ave 8,5,4 (Mayflower MRT),3,1
Marymount Rd (Marymount MRT)
Thompson Rd
Whitley Rd/PIE
PIE
Jln Anak Bukit/Upp Bukit Timah Rd, Jln Jurong Kechil (Beauty World MRT)
PIE
Toh Guan Rd
Boon Lay Way
JE INT
Serves as intra-town in AMK west section. Currently, that section only have 76 and 138 plying internally.
Serves as quick link between Bishan to Bukit Timah, and Bukit Timah to Jurong East. current alternatives between Bishan - Bukit Timah is 74 and 852, and for MRT, Marymount to Botanic Gardens and then 66/67/170/171 down. For Bukit Timah - JE, current alternatives is 52 or 66. For MRT, either to Clementi and take 52/154/184, or to Bukit Batok and take 61/77. Not even the newer MRT lines can connect these areas that fast (especially Bukit Timah - JE)
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Thanks, I'll take that in mind. ;) Instead of North-Northwest, now I propose Central-Northwest-West from the northern corridor. Hence amendments to my old route:
SBST Service 210 - Bishan Int - Bt Batok Bus Depot
- Bishan St 13 (NS17 Bishan)
- Bishan St 11
- Bishan Rd
- Braddell Rd
- CTE (Express)
- AMK Ave 5
- AMK Ave 6 (NS15 Yio Chu Kang)
- Lentor Ave
- SLE (Express)
- Upp Thomson Rd
- Sembawang Rd
- Mandai Ave
- Mandai Rd
- BKE (Express)
- KJE (Express)
- Woodlands Rd
- Stagmont Ring (Non-stop)
- CCK Link (Non-stop)
- CCK North 6
- CCK Dr (NS5 Yew Tee)
- CCK North 7
- CCK Way
- CCK Ave 4 (NS4 Choa Chu Kang)
- CCK Ave 3
- Brickland Rd (Non-stop)
- Bt Batok Rd
- Bt Batok West Ave 3
- Bt Batok Ctrl (NS2 Bukit Batok)
- Bt Batok East Ave 3
- Bt Batok St 23
Now it connects residential areas to educational institutes (Millenia Inst, BP Govt High, AJC, Nanyang Poly) and camps (Kranji / Mowbray, Mandai, Nee Soon).It's SMRT's fault for insistence on not adding trunk services to Yew Tee (compare SBST's efforts in western Toa Payoh and Sengkang), so this is also a reason why I choose SBS to operate this route, at least for now. To hell with the SMRT town-control in CCK, whatever it's called. It's LTA's era now. (There were quite some complaints in this thread as well)210 serves Braddell Rd / CTE, YCK MRT and Bt Batok Rd instead of Bishan Rd, AMK MRT and Bt Batok West Ave 2 to avoid unnecessary route repetition (especially with 50 / 138), to provide links previously less available, and to make the journey faster (hopefully; I'm not an expert on traffic flow around YCK / CTE).The length of the route may be a problem. Hence possible short trip 210M from Yio Chu Kang Int to Yew Tee.(Initially I wanted to designate the route to be 129, but turns out that one's kinda popular, so well ... anyway feeders only start from
220.)
Should just use 46 or 47..Both Amdep and Bbdep got 4x svc..Am 45 & Bb/Ar 48 -
sv 26 modified route
Bedok Interchange
Chai Chee St (1 stop, 229 | 2 stops, 222)
Chai Chee Lane (1 new stop)
Jalan Senang (1 new stop)
Jalan Selamat (1 stop, 42)
Taman Kembangan (1 stop, 42)
Jalan Kembangan (1 stop, 42)
Changi Road (continues from here on existing route to Toa Payoh Interchange)
* Bold Italic show edited route with new stops and existing stop shared with only one service today
* Advantage: Provide trunk service to the condos/HDBs within Kembangan/Chai Chee and connection to Bedok/Kembangan MRT
* Current route of sv 26 highly duplicated and mostly used only as an alternative
* 2 BSEP fleet add (Citaros) with this change. Total fleet size: 16 buses with frequency 12-13 mins from current 14-16 mins.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Should just use 46 or 47..Both Amdep and Bbdep got 4x svc..Am 45 & Bb/Ar 4847.
46 Better used for UEC svc
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140 - Geylang Lor 1 Ter > Bukit Merah Int
Geylang Lor 1 Ter
Sims Ave
Mountbatten Road
Nicoll Highway
Raffles Blvd (Express)
Temasek Ave
Bayfront Ave
Central Blvd
Shenton Way
Keppel Road
Telok Blangah Road
Henderson Road
Bukit Merah Int
Reasons:
> Direct route from the east to the city and Bukit Merah. If you try to go from HBF to Bukit Merah, there is no direct route that goes straight up Henderson Road all the way to Bukit Merah, as 57 goes by Alexandra/Depot Road and 131 goes by Bukit Purmei Ave/Lower Delta Road, which are windy and waste time.
Cons:
> Too short, as it is a direct route which is less than 20km, something like 141...
Possible changes:
> Can be extended to Jurong East/Clementi via Jalan Bukit Merah
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
140 - Geylang Lor 1 Ter > Bukit Merah Int
Geylang Lor 1 Ter
Sims Ave
Mountbatten Road
Nicoll Highway
Raffles Blvd (Express)
Temasek Ave
Bayfront Ave
Central Blvd
Shenton Way
Keppel Road
Telok Blangah Road
Henderson Road
Bukit Merah Int
Reasons:
> Direct route from the east to the city and Bukit Merah. If you try to go from HBF to Bukit Merah, there is no direct route that goes straight up Henderson Road all the way to Bukit Merah, as 57 goes by Alexandra/Depot Road and 131 goes by Bukit Purmei Ave/Lower Delta Road, which are windy and waste time.
Cons:
> Too short, as it is a direct route which is less than 20km, something like 141...
Possible changes:
> Can be extended to Jurong East/Clementi via Jalan Bukit Merah
Should start from Sims Pl better.. -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I believe 860 extension might be reserved for future Canberra area. There are 100+ HDB building coming in Canberra. The ones closest to Canberra Link can have direct access to Canberra MRT stop. Those on the inner streets will need bus service to bring them to Northpoint, Yishun facilities like post, hospital and MRT.
On the other end the service will extend to Sembawang and as you suggested, should start from here and loop around Khatib.
There will also be need for another feeder service within Yishun town once HDB complexes around ave 1, st 51, ave 4 develop. Current services cannot be edited to cater to these demands. This new service should then take care of missing link of 860 between Ring Road and Yishun MRT.
Oh yes..Better if ply future Ave 8 then loop at Canberra St at least serve its purpose of trunk svc..859 Sembawang looping at Yishun Ctrl(KTPH) passing Yishun MRT.. -
Another new svc from Sembawang:883 looping at Montreal..another one 861 looping at Canberra new estates where it will meet 860..any nice routes?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Oh yes..Better if ply future Ave 8 then loop at Canberra St at least serve its purpose of trunk svc..859 Sembawang looping at Yishun Ctrl(KTPH) passing Yishun MRT..There could be a completely new route plying Yishun ave 8, but developments along ave 8 will be 2018+ only - so lot of time still.
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
140 - Geylang Lor 1 Ter > Bukit Merah Int
Geylang Lor 1 Ter
Sims Ave
Mountbatten Road
Nicoll Highway
Raffles Blvd (Express)
Temasek Ave
Bayfront Ave
Central Blvd
Shenton Way
Keppel Road
Telok Blangah Road
Henderson Road
Bukit Merah Int
Reasons:
> Direct route from the east to the city and Bukit Merah. If you try to go from HBF to Bukit Merah, there is no direct route that goes straight up Henderson Road all the way to Bukit Merah, as 57 goes by Alexandra/Depot Road and 131 goes by Bukit Purmei Ave/Lower Delta Road, which are windy and waste time.
Cons:
> Too short, as it is a direct route which is less than 20km, something like 141...
Possible changes:
> Can be extended to Jurong East/Clementi via Jalan Bukit Merah
This route will not get more than 15-20 pax in peak hours. Ask me why? You are connecting Lor 1 directly to CBD without going through any major housing areas. People from Lor 1 have EWL to CBD already.
The proposed route should either start from Eunos or Bedok to make it more effective.
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Just suggest...
Feeder 320: Hougang Central Interchange - Upper Serangoon View (Loop).Hougang Central Interchange
Upper Serangoon Road
Upper Serangoon Crescent [New Road]
Upper Serangoon View (Loop)
Upper Serangoon Road
Hougang Central Int.
Feeder 374 or 375: Punggol Temp Interchange - Edgefield Plains (Loop)
Punggol Temp Interchange
Punggol Place
Punggol Drive
Edefield Plains (Loop), New birdge and new Waterway Banks/Waterway Ridges HDB flats
Punggol Drive
Punggol Place
Punggol Temp Interchange.
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Okay, my extended version of 140 (Eunos > Bukit Merah):
Eunos Int
Sims Ave
Still Road
Marine Parade Road
Mountbatten Road
Haig Road (2-3 pairs of new bus stops)
Dunman Road
Old Airport Road
Stadium Blvd/Dr (when new bus stops are ready for 16)
Nicoll Highway
Raffles Blvd (Pan Pacific Hotel)
Temasek Ave
Bayfront Ave
Central Blvd
Shenton Way
Keppel Road
Telok Blangah Road
Henderson Road
Bukit Merah Int
Any other suggestions to improve this route?
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Okay, my extended version of 140 (Eunos > Bukit Merah):
Eunos Int
Sims Ave
Still Road
Marine Parade Road
Mountbatten Road
Haig Road (2-3 pairs of new bus stops)
Dunman Road
Old Airport Road
Stadium Blvd/Dr (when new bus stops are ready for 16)
Nicoll Highway
Raffles Blvd (Pan Pacific Hotel)
Temasek Ave
Bayfront Ave
Central Blvd
Shenton Way
Keppel Road
Telok Blangah Road
Henderson Road
Bukit Merah Int
Any other suggestions to improve this route?
Eunos MRT
From here, it can be either of the two routes
Via Eunos Industrial/Haig Rd
Eunos Rd 2,Ave 5,Rd 5,Ave 6/Rd 8,Ave4,5
Paya Lebar MRT
Sims Ave,Engku Aman Rd,Geylang Rd/Geylang Rd,Paya Lebar Rd
Haig Rd
Via Joo Chiat
Eunos MRT
Jln Ubi,Changi Rd,Joo Chiat Rd/Koon Seng Rd,Tembeling Rd,Lor 101 Changi,Jln Turi,Sims Ave
Dunman Rd
From here, follow 30's route to ECP
ECP
Rocher Rd,Temasek Boulevard,Raffles Boulevard,Temasek Ave/Raffles Ave,Nicoll Highway,Raffles Boulevard,Temasek Boulevard/Ave,Raffles Boulevard,Republic Boulevard
Continue original route to Bukit Merah
While I am not sure how fast does 196 took to go from Marine Parade to Shenton Way, it already exist. Plus from Old Airport to Nicoll Highway, you have 10 and 16 already. If you ply via Stadium MRT, pax can just take from Stadium to Bayfront straight. From Old Airport to HBF, you got 30 already. This amend is to let it either ply Eunos Industrial or connect Eunos MRT to Joo Chiat first, then connect a direct route to Suntec (although we have Dakota MRT to Promenade/Esplanade MRT already). This is quite a hard route to justify IMO as it already have many alternatives to said areas at Eunos section already.
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
Eunos MRT
From here, it can be either of the two routes
Via Eunos Industrial/Haig Rd
Eunos Rd 2,Ave 5,Rd 5,Ave 6/Rd 8,Ave4,5
Paya Lebar MRT
Sims Ave,Engku Aman Rd,Geylang Rd/Geylang Rd,Paya Lebar Rd
Haig Rd
Via Joo Chiat
Eunos MRT
Jln Ubi,Changi Rd,Joo Chiat Rd/Koon Seng Rd,Tembeling Rd,Lor 101 Changi,Jln Turi,Sims Ave
Dunman Rd
From here, follow 30's route to ECP
ECP
Rocher Rd,Temasek Boulevard,Raffles Boulevard,Temasek Ave/Raffles Ave,Nicoll Highway,Raffles Boulevard,Temasek Boulevard/Ave,Raffles Boulevard,Republic Boulevard
Continue original route to Bukit Merah
While I am not sure how fast does 196 took to go from Marine Parade to Shenton Way, it already exist. Plus from Old Airport to Nicoll Highway, you have 10 and 16 already. If you ply via Stadium MRT, pax can just take from Stadium to Bayfront straight. From Old Airport to HBF, you got 30 already. This amend is to let it either ply Eunos Industrial or connect Eunos MRT to Joo Chiat first, then connect a direct route to Suntec (although we have Dakota MRT to Promenade/Esplanade MRT already). This is quite a hard route to justify IMO as it already have many alternatives to said areas at Eunos section already.
Well, I actually thought of the Eunos industral estate sector! Maybe I can make a service to go there...
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Okay, my extended version of 140 (Eunos > Bukit Merah):
Eunos Int
Sims Ave
Still Road
Marine Parade Road
Mountbatten Road
Haig Road (2-3 pairs of new bus stops)
Dunman Road
Old Airport Road
Stadium Blvd/Dr (when new bus stops are ready for 16)
Nicoll Highway
Raffles Blvd (Pan Pacific Hotel)
Temasek Ave
Bayfront Ave
Central Blvd
Shenton Way
Keppel Road
Telok Blangah Road
Henderson Road
Bukit Merah Int
Any other suggestions to improve this route?
Still duplicates heavily with other services. Is there really a need for a service to Cbd/ Tehlok Blangah? Most sectors are covered by premium, 10, 196, 10e, 196e, 196a etc.
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sv 164: Hougang Interchange <--> Woodlands Regional Interchange
Hougang Interchange, Hougang Ave 5, Hougang Ave 7, Hougang Ave 8, Hougang Ave 6, Sengkang Central, Sengkang East Ave, Sengkang East Dr, Punggol East (exp), Punggol Field, Edgedale Plains, Punggol Central, Punggol Way, TPE (express), Seletar Circus, Seletar West Link (express), Seletar Airport (one stop), Yishun ave 1 (express), Yishun ave 6 (express), Yishun ave 11, Yishun Central, Yishun Ave 2, Yishun Ave 1 (express), Mandai Ave, SLE, Woodlands Ave 12, Woodlands Ave 1, Woodlands Ave 4, Woodlands Ave 5, Woodlands Ave 2, Woodlands Regional Interchange
Map here:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=
214344502607909872197.0004ebf16852938254b10Advantages:
- Improved connectivity between NEL incl. Punggol with Yishun & Woodlands
- Direct connectivity with trunk service to Woodlands Ave 5, 4 and 1 to NEL
- Connecting Punggol West & East to Yishun/Woodlands as well as intratown
- Connecting Sengkang East & Hougang Ave 7/8 to Buangkok MRT to reduce pressure on HG MRT
- Connecting Yishun ave 11, Yishun Central with Woodlands & NEL
- Providing trunk service to residents along Hougang Ave 5 & 7
- Use express routes along SLE/Mandai/Yishun ave 1 providing super fast connectivity between Woodlands & Yishun towns
- Use express routes along Yishun Ave 1, Seletar Link, TPE providing super fast connectivity between Yishun & Punggol, Sengkang towns
- Service will not be impacted by future TSL
- Service can be extended to Woodlands North Interchange once it is operational providing north-south intra town service within Woodlands that is absent today
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Sv 47: Serangoon Interchange <--> Upper East Coast Terminal (merged with sv 113)
Serangoon Interchange, Upper Serangoon Rd, Upper Paya Lebar Rd, Lor Ah Soo, HG Ave 1, HG St 21, Upper Serangoon Rd, HG Ave 2, HG Ave 10, HG Ave 6, HG Ave 8, Upper Serangoon Rd, Buangkok Dr, Sengkang Central, Sengkang East Ave, Sengkang East Rd, Sengkang East Way, Punggol Rd, TPE (express), Tampines Ave 7, Tampines Ave 9, Tampines St 41, Tampines Ave 4, Tampines Ave 5, Simei Ave, New Upper Changi Road, Bedok South Ave 3, Upper East Coast Road, Upper East Coast Terminal
Map here:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=
214344502607909872197.0004ebf16852938254b10Advantages:
- Merges with 113 creating space for sv 164 at Hougang Interchange
- Provides SGN & Kovan MRT connectivity for Lor Ah Soo/HG Ave 1 resident with possible use of DDs
- Provides HG MRT link to new blocks along Upper Serangoon Rd
- New stops along Buangkok Drive to connect to Buangkok MRT
- Sengkang MRT access for people to travel to Tampines
- covers Tampines ave 7, 9, 4, 5 connecting many parts of Tampines internally without going to Interchange & providing link to NEL
- link between Tampines and NEL to ITE & Tanah Merah areas
- alternate service to ITE from Tanah Merah
- additional service to Tanah Merah for UEC and Bedok South ave 3 residents
- withdrawal of sv 45A, 53A & 53B with introduction of sv 47A & 47B that will ply from Serangoon Interchange looping @ Kovan MRT
- will reduce loading on sv 27 and provide higher connectivity with little duplication with sv 27.