Route Suggestions (Part 5)
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
51 needs to be cut short from Hougang Int to New Bridge Road also. There are many bus svcs from Jurong/Boon Lay to Harbourfront.
I agree 51 route needs to be made short but it can only be possible if they introduce another service from Jurong to city. Remember that Havelock-Ganges-Alexandra do not have too many bus services. 51 is an important trunk here. You cannot cut short 51 if you do not introduce another service covering its route.
Also 51 is the only service connecting West Coast to Alexandra and beyond.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Maybe I can start working part-time with LTA on route planning?
please do :D
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
If there is any route in Jurong East area that is not well planned: it is sv 333
I often see so many empty buses on sv 333 as it is not the preferred choice for anyone. Even now at IMM, if sv 990 comes first, people would prefer it to Jurong East compared to sv 333.
Lets take a look:
For st 32 residents, hardly see many ppl boarding sv 333, instead walk to JE Ave 1 and take 99/334 to MRT.
For JE Ave 1 residents, clearly everyone prefers sv 98 to JE except those who want to go to IMM board sv 333
For Toh Guan Rd residents, they prefer sv 52/105/183 to JE except those who want to go to say Townhall rd to transfer (miniscule #)
For IMM, sv 333 was the preferred option until sv 990 was introduced. I think still at JE Interchange, people prefer sv 333 as it starts from there rather than take 990 outside interchange.
Overall, never really see this bus full... and on many peak timings also see it quite empty.
Hi. I am sorry. I disagree with your comment about 333 having many empty buses. I was on 333 during evening peak hour around two weeks ago. The bus was relatively packed.
333 is a feeder for people staying in between Jurong East and Bukit Batok MRT Stations & people staying at Jurong East Avenue 1 to connect to Jurong East MRT Station, while provide a connection to the market/neighbourhood centre/sports complex at Chinese Garden.
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
Hi. I am sorry. I disagree with your comment about 333 having many empty buses. I was on 333 during evening peak hour around two weeks ago. The bus was relatively packed.
333 is a feeder for people staying in between Jurong East and Bukit Batok MRT Stations & people staying at Jurong East Avenue 1 to connect to Jurong East MRT Station, while provide a connection to the market/neighbourhood centre/sports complex at Chinese Garden.
Are we talking about the same service? I don't think 333 goes to Chinese Garden. And Jurong East Ave 1 residents take 98 to Jurong East MRT, those near Polyclinic even prefer 99/334 to sv 98. sv 333 is the last option, and no one in their right mind would take it to MRT if you know how long winding its route is.
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I am sorry. In my opinion, if the extension of 49 is merely to make it ply the AYE and Jurong Town Hall Road to Jurong East Bus Interchange, I feel that it would be a waste of resources and a duplication with the MRT.
People staying in Taman Jurong can take 240, 246/154 to MRT and take 98, 49 back home, via Lakeside MRT Station. The time taken is shorter than if they take bus to/fro home and Jurong East MRT Station, even if the bus takes the most direct route (ie. via AYE).
If 49 is extended to Jurong East, the purpose is very likely not to provide bus link to Jurong East MRT Station. Instead, it may be to provide bus link to industrial areas south of Taman Jurong which may be weak or absent, and since it would become near to Jurong East Bus Interchange, might as well make it terminate there.
In my opinion, if 49 is to terminate at a bus interchange, it may be better to terminate at Boon Lay Bus Interchange instead. Extending it to Boon Lay Bus Interchange can provide for a currently-absent link between Jurong West Street 42 and Jurong West Town Centre (Jurong Point, Jurong West Library, Safra, Jurong Central Park, etc.), and cater to a possible increase in population at Boon Lay when all the new BTO units are occupied. The length of extension would also be shorter if it is to Boon Lay instead.
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
I am sorry. In my opinion, if the extension of 49 is merely to make it ply the AYE and Jurong Town Hall Road to Jurong East Bus Interchange, I feel that it would be a waste of resources and a duplication with the MRT.
People staying in Taman Jurong can take 240, 246/154 to MRT and take 98, 49 back home, via Lakeside MRT Station. The time taken is shorter than if they take bus to/fro home and Jurong East MRT Station, even if the bus takes the most direct route (ie. via AYE).
If 49 is extended to Jurong East, the purpose is very likely not to provide bus link to Jurong East MRT Station. Instead, it may be to provide bus link to industrial areas south of Taman Jurong which may be weak or absent, and since it would become near to Jurong East Bus Interchange, might as well make it terminate there.
In my opinion, if 49 is to terminate at a bus interchange, it may be better to terminate at Boon Lay Bus Interchange instead. Extending it to Boon Lay Bus Interchange can provide for a currently-absent link between Jurong West Street 42 and Jurong West Town Centre (Jurong Point, Jurong West Library, Safra, Jurong Central Park, etc.), and cater to a possible increase in population at Boon Lay when all the new BTO units are occupied. The length of extension would also be shorter if it is to Boon Lay instead.
I agree that sv 49 should be extended to Boon Lay more than Jurong East... but as per MP, it will be extended to Jurong East. In that case, AYE is the best option coz extending other way will mean losing connection to st 41 and duplication with 334.
Actually extending via AYE not bad option. The industrial sectors along AYE have no option except for 178 at Townhall rd to MRT. This will provide new connection. Also for Taman Jurong residents wanting to go to Jurong East - this will be quicker option than taking sv 98.
In future sv 49 should ply bi-directional on st 41/42 before looping at Boon Lay via ave 2. Ave 2 needs another bus service to complement sv 157 given the residential complexes there + other offices coming up.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I agree 51 route needs to be made short but it can only be possible if they introduce another service from Jurong to city. Remember that Havelock-Ganges-Alexandra do not have too many bus services. 51 is an important trunk here. You cannot cut short 51 if you do not introduce another service covering its route.
Also 51 is the only service connecting West Coast to Alexandra and beyond.
51 can cut short to Eunos?Hmm very hard leh just like 61
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
51 can cut short to Eunos?Hmm very hard leh just like 61
I don't think so coz it is the only service from HG Ave 3 to go to Geylang area.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I agree that sv 49 should be extended to Boon Lay more than Jurong East... but as per MP, it will be extended to Jurong East. In that case, AYE is the best option coz extending other way will mean losing connection to st 41 and duplication with 334.
Actually extending via AYE not bad option. The industrial sectors along AYE have no option except for 178 at Townhall rd to MRT. This will provide new connection. Also for Taman Jurong residents wanting to go to Jurong East - this will be quicker option than taking sv 98.
In future sv 49 should ply bi-directional on st 41/42 before looping at Boon Lay via ave 2. Ave 2 needs another bus service to complement sv 157 given the residential complexes there + other offices coming up.
Am I the only one here that wonder if 49 should go to JE via Jurong Port Rd, Jln Buroh and West Coast Rd? I am not sure if this longer route is a good idea compared to the AYE suggestion, and that most service serving that area goes to the MRT faster than this proposed route. What are the pros and cons of this route?
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
Am I the only one here that wonder if 49 should go to JE via Jurong Port Rd, Jln Buroh and West Coast Rd? I am not sure if this longer route is a good idea compared to the AYE suggestion, and that most service serving that area goes to the MRT faster than this proposed route. What are the pros and cons of this route?
Hi mr ButIAmAToilet, please always remember when a new service sbs 49 is initially introduced, it was meant to connect jurong west st 51 and jurong west st 42 residents a fast link to lakeside Mrt station. By proposing a longer route to the interchange (Boon Lay or JE), please reflect whether the initial intention will be compromised and if so, if there are any other alternatives or any solutions for a lesser impact. That should be the objective of public transport. Cheers.
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
Am I the only one here that wonder if 49 should go to JE via Jurong Port Rd, Jln Buroh and West Coast Rd? I am not sure if this longer route is a good idea compared to the AYE suggestion, and that most service serving that area goes to the MRT faster than this proposed route. What are the pros and cons of this route?
I don't think so BIAAT (that's what I'll call you :D )
There is sv 79 that does the same route and I don't see point of the major duplication. AYE for me does make sense bcoz the industrial area around AYE today is poorly connected to Jurong MRT. Either ppl take 154 to Lakeside or take 154 to Clementi. Would be good to give a direct connection to Jurong East.
Also for Taman Jurong residents, taking 49 to Jurong East via AYE will be faster than taking 98 via Jurong West Ave 1 / Jurong East Ave 1. So I do see potential for the service.
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My suggestion for a Sv 142 extension and amendment.
From Toa Payoh Int...
Jln Toa Payoh
Upp Serangoon Rd (red plate)
Potong Pasir Ave 1, Ave 3
Meyappa Chettiar Rd (new stop)
Woodsville Close (new stop)
Jln Toa Payoh (express)
Upper Serangoon Rd (white plate)
Wan Tho Ave (new stops)
Willow Ave (new stop)
Cedar Ave (new stop)
Upp Aljunied Rd
Lichi Ave (new stop)
Wan Tho Ave (new stops)
Upper Serangoon Rd
Jln Toa Payoh
To Toa Payoh Int...
New supp svc 142M plying old 142 to serve skipped PTP Ave 2
Peak hour SWT 142A maybe introduced btw: PTP MRT <> Upper Aljunied Rd (Loop)
*Serves Wan Tho area, Meyappa Chettiar Rd, Woodsville Close and nearby amenities. Connects to PTP and TPY MRT.
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Does Namly Ave deserve a service?
Proposal of extension of sv 200: Kent Ridge - Second Ave (Loop)
Kent Ridge Ter
Clementi Rd
Pasir Panjang Rd
South Buona Vista Rd
North Buona Vista Rd (new bus stops)
Holland Rd
Sixth Ave
Namly Ave (new bus stops)
Bt Timah Rd (express)
Second Ave (new bus stop)
Namly Ave (new bus stops)
Sixth Ave
Holland Rd
North Buona Vista Rd (new bus stop)
South Buona Vista Rd
Pasir Panjang Rd
Clementi Rd
Kent Ridge Ter
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Originally posted by array88:
Does Namly Ave deserve a service?
Proposal of extension of sv 200: Kent Ridge - Second Ave (Loop)
Kent Ridge Ter
Clementi Rd
Pasir Panjang Rd
South Buona Vista Rd
North Buona Vista Rd (new bus stops)
Holland Rd
Sixth Ave
Namly Ave (new bus stops)
Bt Timah Rd (express)
Second Ave (new bus stop)
Namly Ave (new bus stops)
Sixth Ave
Holland Rd
North Buona Vista Rd (new bus stop)
South Buona Vista Rd
Pasir Panjang Rd
Clementi Rd
Kent Ridge Ter
Hi mr array 88, not bad. Cheers.
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Originally posted by array88:
Does Namly Ave deserve a service?
Proposal of extension of sv 200: Kent Ridge - Second Ave (Loop)
Kent Ridge Ter
Clementi Rd
Pasir Panjang Rd
South Buona Vista Rd
North Buona Vista Rd (new bus stops)
Holland Rd
Sixth Ave
Namly Ave (new bus stops)
Bt Timah Rd (express)
Second Ave (new bus stop)
Namly Ave (new bus stops)
Sixth Ave
Holland Rd
North Buona Vista Rd (new bus stop)
South Buona Vista Rd
Pasir Panjang Rd
Clementi Rd
Kent Ridge Ter
That would be a good extension.
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Originally posted by array88:
Does Namly Ave deserve a service?
Proposal of extension of sv 200: Kent Ridge - Second Ave (Loop)
Kent Ridge Ter
Clementi Rd
Pasir Panjang Rd
South Buona Vista Rd
North Buona Vista Rd (new bus stops)
Holland Rd
Sixth Ave
Namly Ave (new bus stops)
Bt Timah Rd (express)
Second Ave (new bus stop)
Namly Ave (new bus stops)
Sixth Ave
Holland Rd
North Buona Vista Rd (new bus stop)
South Buona Vista Rd
Pasir Panjang Rd
Clementi Rd
Kent Ridge Ter
Namly Ave is mostly low rise private housing (bungalows, semi-d etc), most people living there have their own cars to get around, and ridership would probably be low even if there's a bus svc. SIM is walkable to bus stops at the main road. Except for svc 4 to Flora Rd (which has some condos), we don't really see new bus svcs to private estates, mostly legacy svcs like 317 and 42.
That said, there could be a premium or peak hour svc for Namly Ave to CBD if there is demand, similar to some other private estates like Sunset Way or Chestnut Ave.
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49 can extend but for a few km only..
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New service 108
YCK int to Changi Village Ter
Amk ave 8(int)
Amk ave 9
Amk st 63
Amk st 64
Yck Rd
Sk W Rd
Sk W ave
Fernvale Rd
Sk W Way
Sk E Way(mrt)
Pg Rd
TPE(aft Pg Rd stop)
Tampines ave 10
TP ave 5
TP ave 4(mrt/int)
TP ave 7
Loyang ave
Changi Village Rd(ter)
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I would want to see a route plying Coronation Rd. It is probably the fastest connection from Coronation Plaza area (Bukit Timah/Adam Rd junction) to Ulu Pandan/Clementi and beyond. Also, the nearest bus stops in that area are quite far. Even though that area is probably full of mansions, I do think that it will be useful for a route to serve there, even if not picking any pax there, but as a shortcut.
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Originally posted by lftwo1993:
New service 108
YCK int to Changi Village Ter
Amk ave 8(int)
Amk ave 9
Amk st 63
Amk st 64
Yck Rd
Sk W Rd
Sk W ave
Fernvale Rd
Sk W Way
Sk E Way(mrt)
Pg Rd
TPE(aft Pg Rd stop)
Tampines ave 10
TP ave 5
TP ave 4(mrt/int)
TP ave 7
Loyang ave
Changi Village Rd(ter)
It is a good route. I had suggested something similar previously, just that my route started from Bishan.
Bishan Interchange -- Bishan Road -- AMK Ave 1 -- AMK Ave 3 -- AMK Ave 4 -- AMK Ave 5 -- AMK Ave 6 -- AMK Ave 9 and continued almost the same way just that after TP ave 4 -- TP st 41 -- TP Ave 9 -- TP st 45 -- TP Ave 7 -- Loyang Ave -- Pasir Ris Dr 3 -- Pasir Ris Interchange.
* Connects Bishan (CCL) to AMK west town
* Connects AMK West town to YCK MRT
* New connection for Sengkang West/East way w/ Sengkang MRT connection
* Provides relief to sv 27
* Works as intra-town within tampines town, especially for tp ave 9 and st 45 residents. also provides latter connection to pasir ris
* Connects Pasir Ris Dr 3 to Loyang, Tampines (no service today)
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Extend 36 to Bt Merah with an additional of 3 buses and introduce 36M that loops at Tomlinson Rd from Airport at frequencies of 25 mins during off peak and 15 mins during peak.
63 to extend to Bt Merah and introduce a new trunk from Rumah Tinggi to Bt Merah
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Extend 36 to Bt Merah with an additional of 3 buses and introduce 36M that loops at Tomlinson Rd from Airport at frequencies of 25 mins during off peak and 15 mins during peak.
63 to extend to Bt Merah and introduce a new trunk from Rumah Tinggi to Bt Merah
Nope, 63's route should remain as it is an important bus route for R.T residents connecting them between Tiong Bahru Mrt and Jalan Rumah Tinggi but 36 extended to Bukit Merah sounds okay to me, kinda resembles the old 16's route.
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36 cannot be extended, unless you have another service looping at Tomlinson road. Please note there are many people who transfer from other services to take sv 36 to Tanglin road/Orchard road from Somerset/Orchard Boulevard side.
When sv 36 turns onto Tanglin, you will always see 10-15 pax on-board. These people will surely get upset if there is no alternative provided.
Also 36 to Bukit Merah - which route to follow? From Orchard Boulevard you already have 123, 132 to Bukit Merah. From Somerset side, you already have sv 14, 16, 123, 175 to Bukit Merah. From Scotts, you have sv 5, 132 to Bukit Merah. What special advantage is sv 36 going to provide by extending to Bukit Merah.
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Shortworking Trip for 858 from CGA to Yishun and Yishun to CGA. Similar to 969 style, can help with the poor freq during peak hours.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
36 cannot be extended, unless you have another service looping at Tomlinson road. Please note there are many people who transfer from other services to take sv 36 to Tanglin road/Orchard road from Somerset/Orchard Boulevard side.
When sv 36 turns onto Tanglin, you will always see 10-15 pax on-board. These people will surely get upset if there is no alternative provided.
Also 36 to Bukit Merah - which route to follow? From Orchard Boulevard you already have 123, 132 to Bukit Merah. From Somerset side, you already have sv 14, 16, 123, 175 to Bukit Merah. From Scotts, you have sv 5, 132 to Bukit Merah. What special advantage is sv 36 going to provide by extending to Bukit Merah.
Or 36 to resorts world sentosa?At least can shut off the engine as CGA doesnt have a proper layover lots