Route Suggestions (Part 5)
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Okay to dupdup77 and you, I'm sorry for the definition. But Punggol has alr gotten plenty of service improvement alr and don't you think it should slow down a bit? After all, the Punggol flats are not even fully developed and the bus int currently is just temporary. Once it fully develops and the new int opens (provided there are plans on it) you can have all the new svcs you want. Okay, not that I think Punggol don't deserve new svcs, but just that the time is not right. That's what I've got to say now.
I agree with you on that. Punggol does not need immediate service improvements. It will need amendment to existing services or new services once Senthul, Punggol West, Punggol North develop. If you go to see there has been just extension of 119 to Punggol to cater to the west part of MRT and sv 50 as there was no service parallel to north leg of east LRT. So both these services have been for newly developed areas of Punggol rather than enhancement to the earlier areas. -
Originally posted by SMB128B:
27.
Is due to over spam of buses and improper monitor of bus schedule, dear mister.
Svcs like 34, 36 and 858 have no (or seldom) problem with bunching leh?
Or what you can do is shift all (if not most coz of 84) the short range svc eg. 83 to terminate at its current looping point? And let long range terminate at int instead?
Looping services always have an issue with delay of buses. Now you cannot compare 34, 36 with 27. 27 has a 4-5 minute frequency compared to the other two which come around 9-12 mins interval.
With 27 if one bus is late, there is immediate bunching that is unavoidable due to frequency. For 34, 36 if one bus is late and comes after 15 mins (already 5 mins delay), the next bus will come after 20 mins. Still 5 mins gap in between, so you don't see bunching, but there is delay.
Having looping points far away from terminating point will always lead to delays and is not avoidable especially during peak hours and given erratic traffic conditions. I have often seen 2 buses on 34 and 2 buses on 36 bunch together. This means, a bus has almost arrived 20-22 mins later. On 27, if a bus arrives 12 mins later, you will see 3 buses together. So the issue is not different.
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NOTE: Posted in 'Part 4' thread before!
942:
Bukit Batok Int <> Sengkang Int
- Bukit Batok Int
- Bukit Batok Central (173 side)
- Bukit Batok Ave 1
- Bukit Batok East Ave 6 (uses 989's previous stops)
- Jalan Jurong Kechil
- PIE
- Adam Road
- Lornie Road
- Braddell Road
- Bartley Road
- Bartley Road East (2/3 pairs of new bus stops)
- Airport Road
- KPE
- Buangkok East Dr
- Sengkang East Dr
- Sengkang East Way
- Compassvale Road
- Sengkang Int
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Airport svc diff le,T2 Terminal cannot have too many buses stop there.Even 36 nvr terminate there cause of the weird arrangement of bus terminal itself.36 better if extend to Bt Merah at least buses can switch off engine.27 is a cashcow svc and once again due to airport bus terminal structure it cant use DDs and to tandem with airport shift work they lan lan must have many buses be it travel 3 buses along the way.HQ already knew this problem..
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
NOTE: Posted in 'Part 4' thread before!
942:
Bukit Batok Int <> Sengkang Int
- Bukit Batok Int
- Bukit Batok Central (173 side)
- Bukit Batok Ave 1
- Bukit Batok East Ave 6 (uses 989's previous stops)
- Jalan Jurong Kechil
- PIE
- Adam Road
- Lornie Road
- Braddell Road
- Bartley Road
- Bartley Road East (2/3 pairs of new bus stops)
- Airport Road
- KPE
- Buangkok East Dr
- Sengkang East Dr
- Sengkang East Way
- Compassvale Road
- Sengkang Int
94x is BBT feeder... I would number it differently to start with.Secondly, we need to evaluate if there will be enough takers for an express route between Bukit Batok and Sengkang. To think of it, why would there much commuter traffic between two residential hubs of Singapore. The route looks attractive because it calls on new areas but from a usability point of view, I have my doubts.
I would strongly recommend a route from Sengkang to Bukit Batok or even Jurong/Boon Lay via Sungei Kadut, Yew Tee, CCK new areas, Bukit Gambok areas as then you would be connecting some colleges, industrial areas and residential areas together with little alternative duplication.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Airport svc diff le,T2 Terminal cannot have too many buses stop there.Even 36 nvr terminate there cause of the weird arrangement of bus terminal itself.36 better if extend to Bt Merah at least buses can switch off engine.27 is a cashcow svc and once again due to airport bus terminal structure it cant use DDs and to tandem with airport shift work they lan lan must have many buses be it travel 3 buses along the way.HQ already knew this problem..
36 cannot be extended due to Tomlinson loop. Lot of people from Orchard MRT stop like to take 36 and alight after Tomlinson road. When bus turns onto Orchard road from Tomlinson, you will still see a good 20-25 pax on each bus. If 36 is extended, you need another bus to do the Tomlinson loop. -
Sengkang to Bt Batok?Let SBST run better.Hgdep/Bbdep via outside Bbdep depot before goint to Int at least can help 189 loadings to St 23.Bbdep BCs can take a ride to depot too
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Sengkang to Bt Batok?Let SBST run better.Hgdep/Bbdep via outside Bbdep depot before goint to Int at least can help 189 loadings to St 23.Bbdep BCs can take a ride to depot too
(REVISED) 104:
Jurong East Int <> Sengkang Int
- Jurong East Int
- Jurong East Central
- Bukit Batok Ave 1
- Bukit Batok East Ave 6
- Bukit Batok St 23
- Bukit Batok East Ave 3
- PIE
- Adam Road
- Lornie Road
- Braddell Road
- Bartley Road
- Bartley Road East (2/3 pairs of new bus stops)
- Airport Road
- KPE
- Buangkok East Dr
- Sengkang East Dr
- Sengkang East Way
- Compassvale Road
- Sengkang Int
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942?Starting and ending both at SBST territories?Are u okay my friend?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Looping services always have an issue with delay of buses. Now you cannot compare 34, 36 with 27. 27 has a 4-5 minute frequency compared to the other two which come around 9-12 mins interval.
With 27 if one bus is late, there is immediate bunching that is unavoidable due to frequency. For 34, 36 if one bus is late and comes after 15 mins (already 5 mins delay), the next bus will come after 20 mins. Still 5 mins gap in between, so you don't see bunching, but there is delay.
Having looping points far away from terminating point will always lead to delays and is not avoidable especially during peak hours and given erratic traffic conditions. I have often seen 2 buses on 34 and 2 buses on 36 bunch together. This means, a bus has almost arrived 20-22 mins later. On 27, if a bus arrives 12 mins later, you will see 3 buses together. So the issue is not different.
Thank you sir, for practically agreeing to what I said.
As for your "often seen 34/36 bunch together" I really dunno if you were either so powerful to see what did not happen, or really just making it up.
If not, why not you prove it? I travel daily past the sectors both 34 and 36 plies. How would I not know what is happening?
And aren't you just contradicting yourself? First para, say cannot compare with 27. Last para? Saying 34 and 36 "bunches" just like 27. Hmmm.
BTW, since that is the case, why not just reduce the freq for the long loop Punggol svc? And deploy DD on it to balance out the problem?
On a last note, I can guarantee you 97% of the time you will see 36 arrive in almost balanced frequency at the airport (near the end of trip).
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
942?Starting and ending both at SBST territories?Are u okay my friend?
Don't worry, I just forgot to change the number! Should be 104!
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Don't worry, I just forgot to change the number! Should be 104!
Why not 71?Both Hgdep and Bbdep got 7x series svc... -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
Why not 71?Both Hgdep and Bbdep got 7x series svc...Maybe in line with 105 with also goes to NE area from JE?
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Maybe in line with 105 with also goes to NE area from JE?
That's what I meant -
Use 108 better cause you know this SBST superstitious about no 4.Sengkang to Bt Batok Int not Jurong East.At the moment theres no SBST svc plying outside Bbdep.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
36 cannot be extended due to Tomlinson loop. Lot of people from Orchard MRT stop like to take 36 and alight after Tomlinson road. When bus turns onto Orchard road from Tomlinson, you will still see a good 20-25 pax on each bus. If 36 is extended, you need another bus to do the Tomlinson loop.
Last time i frequently drive 36 bro,not many ppl alight nor board from Tomlinson Rd beside its just a few mins walk to either side of main roads.You know in Bndep svc 36 buses is the king of fuel guzzler buses of all the SDs there... -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
942?Starting and ending both at SBST territories?Are u okay my friend?
942 is BBT feeder (although does not exist) -
Originally posted by SMB128B:
Thank you sir, for practically agreeing to what I said.
As for your "often seen 34/36 bunch together" I really dunno if you were either so powerful to see what did not happen, or really just making it up.
If not, why not you prove it? I travel daily past the sectors both 34 and 36 plies. How would I not know what is happening?
And aren't you just contradicting yourself? First para, say cannot compare with 27. Last para? Saying 34 and 36 "bunches" just like 27. Hmmm.
BTW, since that is the case, why not just reduce the freq for the long loop Punggol svc? And deploy DD on it to balance out the problem?
On a last note, I can guarantee you 97% of the time you will see 36 arrive in almost balanced frequency at the airport (near the end of trip).
If 34 can use DDs, 27 would not have got!?
Errrr... I stick to my point. 27 you will see often bunching because of its 4 min frequency which is less visible with 34/36 because of its 10 min frequency. Yet, you can also see them bunching at times. 27 also not that bad.. as you always make out to be. Even if it is 4 mins late, you will see it bunch unlike other services where it is not so apparent.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Last time i frequently drive 36 bro,not many ppl alight nor board from Tomlinson Rd beside its just a few mins walk to either side of main roads.You know in Bndep svc 36 buses is the king of fuel guzzler buses of all the SDs there...I am telling you from regular observation now. I don't know when your last time was. Anyway, I don't see any amendments happening to existing services. LTA too scared to do it. When is the last a major service amendment was done. I think it was ages before BSEP was introduced with 231 I think.
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You sit down at the bus stop for a day ah to observe?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I agree with you on that. Punggol does not need immediate service improvements. It will need amendment to existing services or new services once Senthul, Punggol West, Punggol North develop. If you go to see there has been just extension of 119 to Punggol to cater to the west part of MRT and sv 50 as there was no service parallel to north leg of east LRT. So both these services have been for newly developed areas of Punggol rather than enhancement to the earlier areas.From the way I see it, punggol (around punggol field where many older HDB estates are) needs a new service for residents to get out of punggol fast, preferably to the CBD/marina square/bugis/city hall area. This route should be routed via some expressway and some catchment HDB area in kallang en route to city hall. Furthermore, this part of punggol did not have any BSEP enhancement (take note sbs 119 and sbs 50) do not go there. There is this vent-up frustrating journey from this part of the island where the traveling time is more than 45 min to 1 hr plus. Residents have been quietly enduring for a new semi-fast bus service for years. So the suggestion of no need immediate services do not apply.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
From the way I see it, punggol (around punggol field where many older HDB estates are) needs a new service for residents to get out of punggol fast, preferably to the CBD/marina square/bugis/city hall area. This route should be routed via some expressway and some catchment HDB area in kallang en route to city hall. Furthermore, this part of punggol did not have any BSEP enhancement (take note sbs 119 and sbs 50) do not go there. There is this vent-up frustrating journey from this part of the island where the traveling time is more than 45 min to 1 hr plus. Residents have been quietly enduring for a new semi-fast bus service for years. So the suggestion of no need immediate services do not apply.
108 - Punggol Int > HarbourFront Int
Punggol Int
Punggol Field
Punggol East (Express)
Sengkang East Dr
Buangkok East Dr (Express)
KPE
Sims Ave
Nicoll Highway
Esplanade Dr
Fullerton Road
Raffles Quay
Shenton Way
Keppel Road
Telok Blangah Road
HarbourFront Int
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
If 34 can use DDs, 27 would not have got!?
Errrr... I stick to my point. 27 you will see often bunching because of its 4 min frequency which is less visible with 34/36 because of its 10 min frequency. Yet, you can also see them bunching at times. 27 also not that bad.. as you always make out to be. Even if it is 4 mins late, you will see it bunch unlike other services where it is not so apparent.
Them? Which svcs?
And what talking you? 34 get DDs?
I mean, are your comprehension skills really THAT bad?
Or you need an eye check?
Did I not mention "long Punggol loop svc"? If it is 34, why must I type out that long line?
And if that's how you define bunching, what I can tell you is almost every other svc will bunch alr during peak! *facepalm*
And I mean even the non-loop svcs!
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
From the way I see it, punggol (around punggol field where many older HDB estates are) needs a new service for residents to get out of punggol fast, preferably to the CBD/marina square/bugis/city hall area. This route should be routed via some expressway and some catchment HDB area in kallang en route to city hall. Furthermore, this part of punggol did not have any BSEP enhancement (take note sbs 119 and sbs 50) do not go there. There is this vent-up frustrating journey from this part of the island where the traveling time is more than 45 min to 1 hr plus. Residents have been quietly enduring for a new semi-fast bus service for years. So the suggestion of no need immediate services do not apply.
If possible can just introduce an express from Punggol that plies the areas mentioned above and then ply KPE to city via Sengkang East and then leave the city to the west via AYE to central-west area
But this has high chance of not coming true...