Loading of sv 169 ADL E500 @ 17.45 hours from AMK Interchange
AMK Interchange -- 58
AMK Ave 3 -- 67 (0/9), 68 (-1/2), 68 (-2/2), 68 (-10/10) mayflower
AMK Ave 1 -- 67 (-2/1), 64 (-3/0)
Upper Thomson -- 63 (-4/3), 62 (-4/3), 58 (-7/3), 69 (0/11), 71 (0/2), 71 (0/0), 71 (0/0)*wonder why the last 2 stops are for? there was not even 1 pax on both sides of the road... and nothing around... just slows down speed of bus
Sembawang Rd -- 62 (-11/2), 63 (-1/2), 57 (-9/3), 56 (-3/2)* many springleaf residents boarded at AMK and alighted here.. quite a long travel distance from MRT... maybe that's why Springleaf MRT stop is introduced, even though the estate is small, 56 (0/0), 59 (-2/5), 65 (-2/8), 70 (-2/8)
Yishun Ave 3 -- 67 (-12/9), 73 (-5/11), 77 (-7/11)* lots of ppl alighted along Yishun ave 3 and many ppl boarded bus as well towards Yishun.. opp side bus stops also had quite few pax waiting for bus
Yishun Ave 2 -- 71 (-14/8), 64 (-24/17)* huge # pax alight at Yishun MRT.. most who boarded along Upper Thomson/Sembawang Rd, 63 (-8/7), 57 (-11/5), 56 (-8/7)
Sembawang Rd -- 56 (-8/8), 55 (-4/3), 52 (-5/2)
Admiralty Rd East -- 50 (-5/3), 45 (-7/2), 47 (-1/3), 48 (-4/5), 43 (-8/3), 36 (-10/3)* lot of workers alighted here.. maybe there are dorms close by.. upper deck had around 20 pax... so lower deck must have 16 pax
Admiralty Rd West -- 45 (0/9), 52 (-1/8), 60 (-1/11), 69 (-1/10)
Woodlands Ave 8 -- 79 (0/10), 87 (0/8)* it was around 19.00 or so... this means the peak hour load of 17.30-19.00 was just over of industrial workers.. yet the 169 DD that bottomed to 36 pax on Admiralty Rd... shot back to 90 pax
Woodlands Ave 9 -- 92 (-1/6), 88 (-6/2), 86 (-10/8), 88 (-2/4), 87 (-1/6), 83 (-9/5)
Woodlands Ave 2 -- 78 (-8/3)* bus entered WRI fully seated.
* As we can see, the bus gets super high loading... but it is clearly in segments... Segment 1: AMK to Springleaf, Segment 2: Upper Thomson to Yishun, Segment 3: Yishun to Sembawang Rd, Segment 4: Seneko to WRI
* Having said the above point, you do have long distance travelers. Coz even distance between AMK to Springleaf... and Yishun to Sembawang rd or Seneko to WRI are quite far away.. and upper deck was 70-80% full at all times
* Need more DDs in timings before this one to pick up the Seneko load..
Loading on sv 859 @ 07.30am from Sembawang Interchange
Sembawang Interchange -- 04
Sembawang Dr -- 07 (0/3)
Sembawang Way -- 15 (0/8)
Canberra Rd -- 18 (0/3), 18 (-3/3)
Admiralty Link -- 17 (-9/8), 22 (0/5)
Sembawang Dr -- 29 (-4/11)
Admiralty Dr -- 46 (-2/19)
Sembawang Crescent -- 57 (0/11), 64 (-1/8), 70 (0/6)
Sembawang Dr -- 69 (-4/3)
Sembawang Vista -- 46 (-25/2)* most pax who boarded along Admiralty Dr alighted here for MRT.
Canberra Rd -- 49 (0/3)
Sembawang Rd -- 52 (-2/5), 51 (-5/4), 50 (-4/3), 54 (-6/10), 59 (-6/11)
Yishun Ave 5 -- 57 (-11/9), 55 (-5/3)
Observations
* Provides feeder service between Sembawang town where loading is highest (hence 859A/B are introduced)
* Route is same as 856 from Canberra road all the way to Yishun interchange. Loading in 50s.. not bad.. but is manageable by MANs and hence no bendy/DD needed
* Service can be potentially extended to Punggol Interchange given parallelism with sv 856. Can be extended via Yishun Ave 5, Yishun Ave 2, Yishun Central, Yishun St 61, Yishun Ring Road, Yishun St 41, Yishun Ave 1, Seletar Link, Punggol West to Punggol Interchange
Loading on sv 334 from Jurong East Interchange @ 18.20 hours B9TL
Jurong East Interchange -- 104* the bus 8 mins before also got some 90-100 pax
Jurong East Central -- 114 (0/10)
Boon Lay Way -- 117 (-7/10)* the 7 pax who alighted here must be really lazy people who were okay to wait in long queue but not walk 500m, 104 (-18/5)
Jurong Townhall Rd -- 106 (-4/6)
Jurong East Ave 1 -- 101 (-8/3), 90 (-14/3), 83 (-12/5)
Jurong West Ave 1 -- 80 (-5/2), 69 (-13/2), 65 (-6/2), 58 (-10/3)
Jurong West St 42 -- 54 (-10/6), 39 (-21/6), 23 (-21/5), 21 (-6/4)
Jurong West Ave 1 -- 28 (0/7)
Jurong East Ave 1 -- 36 (-2/10), 37 (-2/3), 36 (-3/2)
Jurong Townhall Rd -- 32 (-6/2)
Boon Lay Way -- 36 (-3/7), 32 (-6/2)
Jurong East Central -- 27 (-5/0)
Observations:
* 334 outbound journey still has super high loading... but you can see that most JE boarding pax already alighted along JE and JW Ave 1... and there were few more who boarded along these for st 42.. Safe to assume that sv 49 is taking most of the MRT crowd now for st 42?
* Inward journey loading was quite poor at around 30 pax, peaking at 37 pax... Could it be that the DD that went 8 mins before might have bunched with this with a gap of say 2-3 mins... or maybe the loading on return leg is not high as typical for most feeder services
* I feel LTA should give a BSEP addition (B9TL) to sv 334 considering that even after sv 49 introduction, loads continue to be super high... From SBST side, should definitely convert the lone KUB to DD as well... since the loading demands it... full fleet DD feeder service.
Loading on sv 965 MAN bus @ 17.50 from WRI
Woodlands Regional Interchange -- 53
Woodlands Ave 7 -- 57 (-4/8), 55 (-10/8), 54 (-9/8), 58 (-9/13)* Admiralty MRT, 55 (-9/6), 50 (-9/4) consistent alighting at all stops around 8-10 pax... and all along Woodlands sector bus had 50+ pax
Gambas Ave -- 59 (0/9) lots of construction happening along Gambas... foresee that in future there will be additional stops for 965/969 along Gambas
Yishun Ave 7 -- 56 (-10/7), 56 (-6/6)
Yishun Ave 2 -- 55 (-8/7), 50 (-9/4), 48 (-12/10)* Yishun MRT, 47 (-6/5), 46 (-4/3), 49 (-9/12)* Khatib MRT, 50 (-3/4)
Lentor Ave -- 47 (-3/0), 47 (0/0), 49 (0/2)* first time bus witnessed low boarding/alighting in its whole route until now
Punggol Rd -- 44 (-10/5)
Compassalve St -- 44 (-4/4)
Compassalve Rd -- 42 (-4/2), 38 (-4/0)
Sengkang Interchange -- 40 (-38/40)
Compassalve Rd -- 45 (0/5)* I alighted here.
IMO, 965 is generating excellent revenue for SMRT considering it has a high number of pax taking it, and loading/unloading is quite high throughout. If you see the average until I alighted, the lowest number of pax was 38 pax just before Sengkang Interchange, but on average had 50+ pax between Yishun/Woodlands sector & 40+ pax between Lentor & Sengkang sector.
Note: This observation was in opposite direction of peak rush. I believe the 17.45-19.15 hours from Sengkang to Woodlands would be having packed buses reaching 70pax, and maybe the 2 BSEP DDs that may replace the BSEP MANs can be timed to do this timing from Sengkang.
Nevertheless loading pretty impressive throughout, and BC also drove bus very well and fast, stopping appropriately & courteously for passengers along the way.
Loading for service 292 at 11:30pm remains to be 13 people at the maximum. By the time the last 2 buses nobody is at the bus, they just leave the bus static as it is.
All, I just saw 3 buses of smrt 858 within a span of 30 seconds all arriving at TPE bus stop towards direction of SLE at 10.35pm on 12-11-2014. The 3 buses are all fully seated with a lot of standees.
So this happens yesterday
Make 30 sec phone call, 1 969 ADL arrive
End phone call, ADL left, one 969 bendy come immediately
Go somewhere buy something (shop within 25m of 969 berth), turn around, bendy left, 969 MAN at berth (probably immediately, I shop for a minute)
Walk towards berth, 969 MAN left, another 969 MAN arrives immediately
Is this even normal for the 7pm load at Tamp Int?
If you ask me, the second MAN was not even needed, the first MAN still have a bit of space left (both ADL and Bendy left full earlier)
Every loading on a last 2 buses in any trunk service seems to be less than 10, including those dispatched from the bus interchange(s). Feeder service seems to be only 1.
123 should get some DDs, PM peak got full bus from Tiong Bahru to HarbourFront... 123M doesn't help much with the load, often see only about 5-10 pax alighting at VivoCity, while 123 often has full buses... Not sure why.
131 should also get some DDs... Saw people squezzeing into the poor KUB during the PM peak.
Originally posted by 23ispolo:123 should get some DDs, PM peak got full bus from Tiong Bahru to HarbourFront... 123M doesn't help much with the load, often see only about 5-10 pax alighting at VivoCity, while 123 often has full buses... Not sure why.
131 should also get some DDs... Saw people squezzeing into the poor KUB during the PM peak.
131 would be a good candidate for DDs but cannot at 4 parts of its route
1. Bukit Purmei
2. Tehlok Blangah
3. Henderson Rd
4. Pei Koi Estate
Originally posted by 23ispolo:123 should get some DDs, PM peak got full bus from Tiong Bahru to HarbourFront... 123M doesn't help much with the load, often see only about 5-10 pax alighting at VivoCity, while 123 often has full buses... Not sure why.
131 should also get some DDs... Saw people squezzeing into the poor KUB during the PM peak.
123/123M just doing fine. There is heavy loading between Tiong Bahru and Bukit Purmei but well supplemented with full day 123M. No need for DDs or additional buses. 123 loading between Tiong Bahru and Queensway quite okay (30-45 pax most times, hardly exceeds this but can also be in mid 20s on many buses).
You know the tendency.. if bus is late.. everyone cram into first bus even if next bus right behind.. during PM peak these days you have 123/123M every 05-07 mins at Tiong Bahru MRT... and everyone can get bus unlike before 123M was introduced.
Also extension of 123/123M to Harbourfront has prompted many ppl to shop at Vivocity and not just TB Plaza. All those who would go to Tiong Bahru to take Green line to change to Purple or Yellow line, now directly take bus to Harbourfront. This has also changed the loading dynamics quite a bit.
Service 195's loading is quite heavy between Tiong Bahru Mrt and Telok Blangah/Depot Road area even with service 121 introduced,but is there any particular reason why can't it have DDs deployed on such a route that needs DDs badly? According to Public Transport Sg,it says due to insufficient demand which is definetely not true as I frequently take 195 and is usually gets very crowded. Is it because of Commonwealth Drive being too narrow to have DDs? If super-narrow roads like Lengkok Bahru can have DDs on 139 I don't see why can't Commonwealth Drive too?
Originally posted by Marvel68:Service 195's loading is quite heavy between Tiong Bahru Mrt and Telok Blangah/Depot Road area even with service 121 introduced,but is there any particular reason why can't it have DDs deployed on such a route that needs DDs badly? According to Public Transport Sg,it says due to insufficient demand which is definetely not true as I frequently take 195 and is usually gets very crowded. Is it because of Commonwealth Drive being too narrow to have DDs? If super-narrow roads like Lengkok Bahru can have DDs on 139 I don't see why can't Commonwealth Drive too?
I am surprised PTO reply to you is insufficient service. It is the low hanging branches along Tehlok Blangah/Depot road because of which 195 cannot have DDs, otherwise this service would have got DDs long time back.
121 was introduced to alleviate the loads on 195 and I would say it has helped to some extent, coz you can see 121 getting 50-60 pax during peak hours, which is very good for new service.
During PM, it is a bit of challenge, coz you need to take 121 from stop along TB Plaza. Considering 195 comes more often, more ppl flock to 195 stop instead of 121 stop.
The entire Tehlok Blangah/Henderson stretch has some of the high loading services lik 145/176/195/131/57 that cannot get DDs due to the trees there. Considering how much issue LTA is having to trim down trees along Bukit Timah stretch to make way for DDs on 67/960, I doubt they will get into the marathon exercise in Tehlok Blangah estate. People here have to live without DDs.
On a positive note, if you see the number of new routes/extensions in this area are quire remarkable compared to other areas.
123M introduced
123 extended
124 extended
120 introduced
121 introduced
Very few estates have got so much bus enhancement. That is their way of compensating for lack of DDs.
It wasn't PTO that said 195 has insufficient demand, it said on the public transport sg website btw, and yeah I have to agree these new services makes up for the loss of DDs in Telok Blangah.Strange that the only service passing through Telok Blangah with DDs is Service 65 aside from Telok Blangah Road.
Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:So this happens yesterday
Make 30 sec phone call, 1 969 ADL arrive
End phone call, ADL left, one 969 bendy come immediately
Go somewhere buy something (shop within 25m of 969 berth), turn around, bendy left, 969 MAN at berth (probably immediately, I shop for a minute)
Walk towards berth, 969 MAN left, another 969 MAN arrives immediately
Is this even normal for the 7pm load at Tamp Int?
If you ask me, the second MAN was not even needed, the first MAN still have a bit of space left (both ADL and Bendy left full earlier)
LOL this have been the sequence way before 969 had MAN
If judging from ur sequence and time
That ADL should be the 850E/969, The bendy is 1077E, then 969 MAN is 1320E and then 319S and then another bendy and then 1359U and then shld be another bendy and the 320L
The sequence is like dat, just suck thumb with it, if u want to take a seat in 969. Study the sequence and timing like i do so that i can guarantee myself a seat in either a DD or bendy.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:123/123M just doing fine. There is heavy loading between Tiong Bahru and Bukit Purmei but well supplemented with full day 123M. No need for DDs or additional buses. 123 loading between Tiong Bahru and Queensway quite okay (30-45 pax most times, hardly exceeds this but can also be in mid 20s on many buses).
You know the tendency.. if bus is late.. everyone cram into first bus even if next bus right behind.. during PM peak these days you have 123/123M every 05-07 mins at Tiong Bahru MRT... and everyone can get bus unlike before 123M was introduced.
Also extension of 123/123M to Harbourfront has prompted many ppl to shop at Vivocity and not just TB Plaza. All those who would go to Tiong Bahru to take Green line to change to Purple or Yellow line, now directly take bus to Harbourfront. This has also changed the loading dynamics quite a bit.
Your last paragraph explains the super heavy loadings during PM peak... I just took 123M (SBS6463J) at around 6p.m. today and there was about 20-30 pax boarding from Tiong Bahru MRT Station, but most of them alighted at Bukit Permei... Only about 5 pax (including me) were left onbaord to VivoCity. 123 loading also has the same effect, but most buses still have plenty of pax onboard going to VivoCity.
Originally posted by Marvel68:It wasn't PTO that said 195 has insufficient demand, it said on the public transport sg website btw, and yeah I have to agree these new services makes up for the loss of DDs in Telok Blangah.Strange that the only service passing through Telok Blangah with DDs is Service 65 aside from Telok Blangah Road.
Yes... imagine sv 65 getting operated like sv 145/195 with full fleet SDs... thank god for small mercies.
Originally posted by 23ispolo:Your last paragraph explains the super heavy loadings during PM peak... I just took 123M (SBS6463J) at around 6p.m. today and there was about 20-30 pax boarding from Tiong Bahru MRT Station, but most of them alighted at Bukit Permei... Only about 5 pax (including me) were left onbaord to VivoCity. 123 loading also has the same effect, but most buses still have plenty of pax onboard going to VivoCity.
To add... sv 123 loading will be higher during AM peak to Harbourfront... PM peak you will see sv 123/123M leaving Harbourfront with around 25-30 pax... AM peak, I have seen sv 123/123M buses having only 5-10 pax from HF to Bukit Purmei, and then bus gets packed at BP to TBPlaza.
Originally posted by TIB 585L:LOL this have been the sequence way before 969 had MAN
If judging from ur sequence and time
That ADL should be the 850E/969, The bendy is 1077E, then 969 MAN is 1320E and then 319S and then another bendy and then 1359U and then shld be another bendy and the 320L
The sequence is like dat, just suck thumb with it, if u want to take a seat in 969. Study the sequence and timing like i do so that i can guarantee myself a seat in either a DD or bendy.
I see, I see, I hardly take a bus from Tamp Int during PM peak nowadays. I know 969 normally have high loads, but I didn't expect that many buses within a short span of time. Guess I learn something today.
Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:I see, I see, I hardly take a bus from Tamp Int during PM peak nowadays. I know 969 normally have high loads, but I didn't expect that many buses within a short span of time. Guess I learn something today.
It is normal. If u think 969 is like dat. U shld really go to town and have a taste of 190, In 10 mins only 5-7 buses can appear at one go, 3-4 buses will be fully packed to the door. the last few bus will be crowded
Originally posted by TIB 585L:It is normal. If u think 969 is like dat. U shld really go to town and have a taste of 190, In 10 mins only 5-7 buses can appear at one go, 3-4 buses will be fully packed to the door. the last few bus will be crowded
But if you observe at Tampines interchange, you don't see a 969 scheduled every 03-04 mins. The 969 berth also has other services. Normally, 969 buses depart every 05-07 mins during PM peak.
What BIAT observed is a bus every 02 mins which I don't think is very normal. The earlier buses could have arrived late to Tampines, so they all left interchange within 02-03 mins of each other.
On 190, I agree you can see a bus every 02-03 mins... but that ios scheduled.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:But if you observe at Tampines interchange, you don't see a 969 scheduled every 03-04 mins. The 969 berth also has other services. Normally, 969 buses depart every 05-07 mins during PM peak.
What BIAT observed is a bus every 02 mins which I don't think is very normal. The earlier buses could have arrived late to Tampines, so they all left interchange within 02-03 mins of each other.
On 190, I agree you can see a bus every 02-03 mins... but that ios scheduled.
Haiya 3-4 or 5-7 mins, dont need to be so calculative or precise lah, as long as there is bus come fast then just board it lah.
If come after 3 mins then good for u and myself lor. At least i can get a seat on a bus and sleep off my trip home.
When people tired from school or work, nobody cares about to observe and count the minutes of buses frequency. Even i dont do that, if my 858 comes 5 mins after i missed the bus, then its good for me ah although it is not normal.
Originally posted by TIB 585L:Haiya 3-4 or 5-7 mins, dont need to be so calculative or precise lah, as long as there is bus come fast then just board it lah.
If come after 3 mins then good for u and myself lor. At least i can get a seat on a bus and sleep off my trip home.
When people tired from school or work, nobody cares about to observe and count the minutes of buses frequency. Even i dont do that, if my 858 comes 5 mins after i missed the bus, then its good for me ah although it is not normal.
Ha ha.. yess.. but we are talking about the particular instance BIAT observed at TPE stop... from what he wrote it seemed within 5 minutes, there were 4 buses... this is unusual.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Ha ha.. yess.. but we are talking about the particular instance BIAT observed at TPE stop... from what he wrote it seemed within 5 minutes, there were 4 buses... this is unusual.
if 4 buses in 5 mins for 969, i wouldnt say its unusual, something is really wrong there.
Originally posted by TIB 585L:if 4 buses in 5 mins for 969, i wouldnt say its unusual, something is really wrong there.
So this happens yesterday
Make 30 sec phone call, 1 969 ADL arrive
End phone call, ADL left, one 969 bendy come immediately
Go somewhere buy something (shop within 25m of 969 berth), turn around, bendy left, 969 MAN at berth (probably immediately, I shop for a minute)
Walk towards berth, 969 MAN left, another 969 MAN arrives immediately
Is this even normal for the 7pm load at Tamp Int?
If you ask me, the second MAN was not even needed, the first MAN still have a bit of space left (both ADL and Bendy left full earlier)
This is post by BIAT...