Loading level on buses
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Where did you get this information from? Where do they live? New dorms built for them?
You dont believe i also dont force you,But my Uncle's unit neighbours is 1 Indian,1 China and 1 Filipino famlies...
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
You dont believe i also dont force you,But my Uncle's unit neighbours is 1 Indian,1 China and 1 Filipino famlies...
Hi mr carbikebus, I believe you. I stayed in Punggol and I see many Indian, Chinese and Filipino families around and of course living here in HDB flats. Cheers.
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Some of us dont realise where the 6.9m target come from..We Singaporeans already migrate so Govt import these ppl la
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Departing from Tampines will definitely have a higher load than from Bedok from sv 18.
Connection from Bedok Int - up to bedok reservoir, there's more frequent services like 69,168. Lets say coming from the MRT, i would choose to wait at the bus stop outside the MRT for sv 28, 67 instead of waiting for sv 18 in the int.However from tampines int 6pm onwards till late night, ppl living along tampines ave 7, or up to tampines ave 2, would choose to wait at the 18/28/38 berth. Yes, there's alternatives like sv 8, 81. However, many ppl would choose to wait at the 18/28/38 berth as they have 2 alternatives, 18/38.
Yes, sv 18 might not have high load travelling towards Bedok, however, its more of a service that links up ppl for transfer to other services. I think its 10-15min frequency is sufficient. Resources might be wasted, but its benefits to the residents is there
AM peak - Blk 302 - Safra bus stop ( transfer to sv5/23,65 etc)
PM peak - Tamp Int - Blk 302 (Compliments sv 38) -
Originally posted by vodafone27:
Departing from Tampines will definitely have a higher load than from Bedok from sv 18.
Connection from Bedok Int - up to bedok reservoir, there's more frequent services like 69,168. Lets say coming from the MRT, i would choose to wait at the bus stop outside the MRT for sv 28, 67 instead of waiting for sv 18 in the int.However from tampines int 6pm onwards till late night, ppl living along tampines ave 7, or up to tampines ave 2, would choose to wait at the 18/28/38 berth. Yes, there's alternatives like sv 8, 81. However, many ppl would choose to wait at the 18/28/38 berth as they have 2 alternatives, 18/38.
Yes, sv 18 might not have high load travelling towards Bedok, however, its more of a service that links up ppl for transfer to other services. I think its 10-15min frequency is sufficient. Resources might be wasted, but its benefits to the residents is there
AM peak - Blk 302 - Safra bus stop ( transfer to sv5/23,65 etc)
PM peak - Tamp Int - Blk 302 (Compliments sv 38)
But for Bedok North Ave 2 residents, sv 18 is the only service that goes ti Bedok Reservoir MRT. -
Originally posted by array88:
But for Bedok North Ave 2 residents, sv 18 is the only service that goes ti Bedok Reservoir MRT.Hi mr array88, this type of conversation will have no final conclusion. One man's meat may be another guy's poison. The authorities will have the final say as they got the records collected from the ezylink data of commuters. When they have the service running and not made any amendments, they have reasons to justify. What we commuters see may only be certain loadings at certain timings and be half the picture only.
When they do planning, they see the whole town and its connection as a whole. No authorities in the world will like to lose $ on a regular basis if a service is running low on commuters day in and day out. When they have such a service, they will look at its threshold limit for basic level of subsistence. Eventually, they will even see if some other bus services will be able to cover up for the 'so called money losing service'. If there is a need to provide that service based on connectivity issues, they will have already done their homework to cover up for this loss. Cheers.
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Loading observation on 121
Bus arrived at Tiong Bahru Plaza from NBR with 3 pax on board. Only 1 alighted. 2 still on bus.
Huge crowd boarding bus
Bus fully seated with 3-4 standees
121 making good money between Tiong Bahru and Tehlok Blangah Rise. AM load even higher than PM load.
121 losing money betwee Tiong Bahru and NBR
If I were LTA, I would have modified 121 to start from Buona Vista via the new 122 route to Tiong Bahru and follow on to Tehlok Blangah instead of introducing a brand new service. But it is all about numbers and show, as well :D
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I happened to be at Anson Rd/Robinson Rd from 6.15pm to 7pm yesterday (4 Mar).
Some observations: (might not be always true)
- Premium services generally have good loadings -- that means, regardless of the size of the bus, most premium buses would be almost fully seated by the time they reach the last bus stop along Robinson Rd (opp AIA Twr). (Note: in the following paragraphs, I'll refer to this bus stop as "at Robinson Rd", as most of my observations are from here.)
On the contrary, City Direct services have poorer loadings and buses are usually only half seated at the same bus stop.
(Besides the fact that City Direct services are generally quite new, I think this kind of situation is also because of private operators... These services would have done so much better if they are converted to express services run by the PTOs.)
- Sv 128's loading seems to have increased slightly compared to last year. The second 128 bus was fully seated at Robinson Rd, and of course it will pick up some more pax ain Orchard... Last time the buses used to be almost empty.
- Sv 196e actually has good loading... Generally the Citaros will be at least fully seated at Robinson Rd. For yesterday, the third bus, which was a KUB cameoed on 196e, was almost packed to the door and people had difficulty boarding the bus (although it was late by 8 mins)
I did observe some other services and took photos, but I couldn't quite remember the observation... If you have interest in loadings of certain services, you may ask here and I'll try to recall. Also I'm planning to visit there again a few weeks later, so I may check the requested services more thoroughly.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Loading observation on 121
Bus arrived at Tiong Bahru Plaza from NBR with 3 pax on board. Only 1 alighted. 2 still on bus.
Huge crowd boarding bus
Bus fully seated with 3-4 standees
121 making good money between Tiong Bahru and Tehlok Blangah Rise. AM load even higher than PM load.
121 losing money betwee Tiong Bahru and NBR
If I were LTA, I would have modified 121 to start from Buona Vista via the new 122 route to Tiong Bahru and follow on to Tehlok Blangah instead of introducing a brand new service. But it is all about numbers and show, as well :D
Actually a significant portion of demand for sv 121 is from Tiong Bahru MRT to Kim Tian Rd... Sometimes half of the people who board at Tiong Bahru alight at Kim Tian Rd. Not saying that it's useless in Telok Blangah, it is equally popular there as well -
At 6.38pm yesterday, a 201 SD towards Kent Ridge reached Clementi MRT with about 35 pax. All alighted and 30+ pax boarded. Later at 6.42pm, a 201 DD towards Pandan Gdns turned from Clementi Ave 2 to Commonwealth Ave West with upper deck fully seated and lower deck with quite a lot of standees.
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Loading observation at Jurong East Interchange for sv 78 on Tues 03/Mar
7.20 - 3360S - 72p
7.25 - 9611D - 75p
7.33 - 3061E - 101p
7.39 - 3386T - 96p
7.42 - 3765H - 54p
7.49 - 3021X - 72p
7.55 - 8986D - 44p (the only SD observed in AM)
7.58 - 3063A - 43p (78A - this was the first SWT bus, surprising considering that the first bus is after the heavy loading winds down)
* Main loading for sv 78 is from 07.00am to 07.50am... I think coz the work/shift already starts at 8am in Penjuru.
* On another note, observed sv 79 does not get packed buses at Jurong East, but its main load rather comes from Boon Lay. So people prefer taking 3 stops further to Boon Lay than taking 79 from JE!!
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Busanal,Can u observe svc 980 & 981?
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Originally posted by array88:
I typed a long essay just now but it was lost due to a technical error... Anyway, my points are:
1. Sv 18's loading was not bad before Bedok Int opened because of the bus stop at Bedok town centre. Also many people take 18 from Ave 2 towards Tampines during PM.
2. IMO there have to be some services which may not have good loadings but provide unique links/connections.
3. IMO, not all feeders or services functioning like feeders are suitable for DDs: it all depends on the habits of the commuters.
i live along sv 18 route and i have my own thought.
i wud say sv 18 load depend a lot on if bus come bef or not. sv 18 frequency very bad. only uniqye part is ave 2 in bedok where it is only trunk. rest route full copy of other service.
got service 8 till safra with better frequency and got sv 168 from safra to bedok. got sv 59 and 28 cover big part of route also.
i not say sv 18 be remove but i want sv 18 to do bedok reservoir view. bto flat there no bus and walk long distance. i got friend who always complain.
i also agree that bus is empty most bet bedok and safra. get more peop from safra nd tamp cc to tamp. also again depend on sv 8 and 38 call time.
can do much better with sv 18 route - u no think so?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Loading observation at Jurong East Interchange for sv 78 on Tues 03/Mar
7.20 - 3360S - 72p
7.25 - 9611D - 75p
7.33 - 3061E - 101p
7.39 - 3386T - 96p
7.42 - 3765H - 54p
7.49 - 3021X - 72p
7.55 - 8986D - 44p (the only SD observed in AM)
7.58 - 3063A - 43p (78A - this was the first SWT bus, surprising considering that the first bus is after the heavy loading winds down)
* Main loading for sv 78 is from 07.00am to 07.50am... I think coz the work/shift already starts at 8am in Penjuru.
* On another note, observed sv 79 does not get packed buses at Jurong East, but its main load rather comes from Boon Lay. So people prefer taking 3 stops further to Boon Lay than taking 79 from JE!!
i observe load on clementi side for 78 also very high till 8am then go down. i no count but see bus take 3 min to get full. that y cud be 78a intro later coz no need high freq to clementi when pax go low already. got my point?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
You dont believe i also dont force you,But my Uncle's unit neighbours is 1 Indian,1 China and 1 Filipino famlies...
there also many malay, thai and indonesian . i see not very gud skill and low educated person come near my bto. earlier tamp av 2 bto have mostly singaporean resident or pr. now lot of working class peop belong to neighbour country come.
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The Malays is local 100%,Never heard or seen Malaysian nor Brunei Malay families get citizenship here,Indonesian should be Chinese,Never heard or seen any Indonesian origin get ,citizenship here..,If got also their Spouse is a Singaporean
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Originally posted by proudtobeme:
i live along sv 18 route and i have my own thought.
i wud say sv 18 load depend a lot on if bus come bef or not. sv 18 frequency very bad. only uniqye part is ave 2 in bedok where it is only trunk. rest route full copy of other service.
got service 8 till safra with better frequency and got sv 168 from safra to bedok. got sv 59 and 28 cover big part of route also.
i not say sv 18 be remove but i want sv 18 to do bedok reservoir view. bto flat there no bus and walk long distance. i got friend who always complain.
i also agree that bus is empty most bet bedok and safra. get more peop from safra nd tamp cc to tamp. also again depend on sv 8 and 38 call time.
can do much better with sv 18 route - u no think so?
Actually, I think that 18 has better loading prior to its amendment to Nth Ave 2. The stop that 18 skips now currently is the stop that students from Yu Neng, Red Swastika and Bedok Green alight from. So by skipping this stop, ALL the loading ends up being taken by 28.
Anyone observe school timing loading on this service before?
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Loading observation at Boon Lay Interchange 04/Mar
243G from 6.05 to 6.35
6.06 - 3192K - 72p
6.10 - 3190R - 88p
6.16 - 8056M - 67p (15 pax remained in queue)
6.22 - 6355M - 69p (snake queue)
6.25 - 3389K - 75p
6.29 - 6696D - 59p
6.34 - 3098A - 109p (snake queue)
181 from 6.35 to 7.18
6.39 - 3771P - 89p (snake queue)
6.42 - 7396M - 94p
6.47 - 3832P - 76p
6.53 - 8990R - 71p
6.59 - 8934D - 64p
7.11 - 9571K - 105p (20 pax in queue)
7.15 - 9670H - 53p
* 243G needs more PM DDs compared to 243W. They should transfer W fleet to G during PM hours considering load on G > W in PM peak.
* 181 good to get SBST DD addition. Load very high on every bus but managed well with current fleet
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Yeah yeah 243 need full DDs after your observation..240 & 334 also full DDs..
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Loading observation at Boon Lay Interchange 04/Mar
243G from 6.05 to 6.35
6.06 - 3192K - 72p
6.10 - 3190R - 88p
6.16 - 8056M - 67p (15 pax remained in queue)
6.22 - 6355M - 69p (snake queue)
6.25 - 3389K - 75p
6.29 - 6696D - 59p
6.34 - 3098A - 109p (snake queue)
181 from 6.35 to 7.18
6.39 - 3771P - 89p (snake queue)
6.42 - 7396M - 94p
6.47 - 3832P - 76p
6.53 - 8990R - 71p
6.59 - 8934D - 64p
7.11 - 9571K - 105p (20 pax in queue)
7.15 - 9670H - 53p
* 243G needs more PM DDs compared to 243W. They should transfer W fleet to G during PM hours considering load on G > W in PM peak.
* 181 good to get SBST DD addition. Load very high on every bus but managed well with current fleet
can do 291 and 293? i like way u note pax count.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
The Malays is local 100%,Never heard or seen Malaysian nor Brunei Malay families get citizenship here,Indonesian should be Chinese,Never heard or seen any Indonesian origin get ,citizenship here..,If got also their Spouse is a Singaporean
i knw malay who 100% local. i hav malay friend.these malay all work class now live in bto on rent. very filthy no civic manner. malay from singapire different from malay who come here work.
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NOTE: The following loading analyses were done on Sunday, 8 Mar.
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Sunday loading on sv 85 (SBS6053J) from Yishun at 4.43pm
Yishun Int - 35
Yishun Ave 2 - 35(-0/0), 34(-2/1), 42(-0/8)(Khatib MRT), 42(-2/2)
Lentor Ave - 42(-0/0), 42(-0/0), 42(-0/0)
Jln Kayu - 44(-0/2), 44(-0/0), 33(-12/1) (A lot of Indian workers from Yishun alighted here)
Sengkang West Way - 38(-0/5), 34(-6/2), 40(-0/6)
Sengkang East Way - 39(-2/1), 40(-4/5), 39(-2/1)
Sengkang East Rd - 28(-14/3)
Compassvale Dr - 28(-2/2), 25(-3/0)
Rivervale Dr - 23(-3/1)
Sengkang East Way - 21(-2/0)
Sengkang East Dr - 23(-0/2)
Punggol East - 25(-2/4)
Punggol Ctrl - 24(-2/1), 15(-10/1), 15(-0/0), 13(-2/0)
Punggol Temp Int - 0(-13)(There were people travelling from Sengkang West all the way to Punggol MRT... I even felt that there were some people who boarded at Yishun and alighted at Punggol Temp Int, but not very sure)
Sunday loading on sv 116 (SBS6327U) from Serangoon at 6.44pm
(1 min before this 116 arrived, a 315 Citaro towards Serangoon Int arrived almost packed to the door)
Serangoon Ctrl - 17(-22/?)
Upp Serangoon Rd - 14(-3/0)
Boundary Rd - 14(-0/0)
Yio Chu Kang Link - 14(-0/0)
Yio Chu Kang Rd - 14(-0/0), 14(-0/0), 14(-0/0), 14(-0/0)
Ang Mo Kio Ave 3 - 15(-1/2) (116 in the opposite direction 80% seated)
Serangoon North Ave 4 - 7(-9/1), 7(-1/1) (315 behind had less than 6 pax)
(A sv 72 DD was 1 min ahead of 116 when it reached Hougang Ave 9)
Hougang Ave 9 - 2(-6/1)(Hougang 1 Mall, all those who boarded in Serangoon North alighted here), 2(-0/0), 3(-0/1) (116 in the opposite direction had 9 pax)
Hougang Ave 4 - 9(-0/6), 8(-1/0)
Hougang Ctrl - 8(-0/0)
(The 72 DD in front had around 15 pax when reached here, and most of them alighted at Hougang MRT)
Hougang Ctrl Int - 0(-8)(116 usually have around 30-35 pax boarding at Hougang Ctrl Int on weekends evenings. Sometimes up to 40+ pax and sometimes only 25 pax. The queue seems long especially as the other services in the nearby berths (132, 165, 51, 151 etc) usually do not have many pax. As for Serangoon side, I believe PM loading would be much better if the direction of the loop is reversed. Therefore I wouldn't say sv 116 is a waste.
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Originally posted by array88:
Sunday loading on sv 85 (SBS6053J) from Yishun at 4.43pm
Yishun Int - 35
Yishun Ave 2 - 35(-0/0), 34(-2/1), 42(-0/8)(Khatib MRT), 42(-2/2)
Lentor Ave - 42(-0/0), 42(-0/0), 42(-0/0)
Jln Kayu - 44(-0/2), 44(-0/0), 33(-12/1) (A lot of Indian workers from Yishun alighted here)
Sengkang West Way - 38(-0/5), 34(-6/2), 40(-0/6)
Sengkang East Way - 39(-2/1), 40(-4/5), 39(-2/1)
Sengkang East Rd - 28(-14/3)
Compassvale Dr - 28(-2/2), 25(-3/0)
Rivervale Dr - 23(-3/1)
Sengkang East Way - 21(-2/0)
Sengkang East Dr - 23(-0/2)
Punggol East - 25(-2/4)
Punggol Ctrl - 24(-2/1), 15(-10/1), 15(-0/0), 13(-2/0)
Punggol Temp Int - 0(-13)(There were people travelling from Sengkang West all the way to Punggol MRT... I even felt that there were some people who boarded at Yishun and alighted at Punggol Temp Int, but not very sure)
Sunday loading on sv 116 (SBS6327U) from Serangoon at 6.44pm
(1 min before this 116 arrived, a 315 Citaro towards Serangoon Int arrived almost packed to the door)
Serangoon Ctrl - 17(-22/?)
Upp Serangoon Rd - 14(-3/0)
Boundary Rd - 14(-0/0)
Yio Chu Kang Link - 14(-0/0)
Yio Chu Kang Rd - 14(-0/0), 14(-0/0), 14(-0/0), 14(-0/0)
Ang Mo Kio Ave 3 - 15(-1/2) (116 in the opposite direction 80% seated)
Serangoon North Ave 4 - 7(-9/1), 7(-1/1) (315 behind had less than 6 pax)
(A sv 72 DD was 1 min ahead of 116 when it reached Hougang Ave 9)
Hougang Ave 9 - 2(-6/1)(Hougang 1 Mall, all those who boarded in Serangoon North alighted here), 2(-0/0), 3(-0/1) (116 in the opposite direction had 9 pax)
Hougang Ave 4 - 9(-0/6), 8(-1/0)
Hougang Ctrl - 8(-0/0)
(The 72 DD in front had around 15 pax when reached here, and most of them alighted at Hougang MRT)
Hougang Ctrl Int - 0(-8)(116 usually have around 30-35 pax boarding at Hougang Ctrl Int on weekends evenings. Sometimes up to 40+ pax and sometimes only 25 pax. The queue seems long especially as the other services in the nearby berths (132, 165, 51, 151 etc) usually do not have many pax. As for Serangoon side, I believe PM loading would be much better if the direction of the loop is reversed. Therefore I wouldn't say sv 116 is a waste.
yes we are very liberal on our resources. nothing really is a waste here since we have ample of resources. hence, everything seems okay and fine.
my observation on 116 is quite similar, sometimes a little better than your 17 pax peak loading. The ones I have taken do peak at 23-24 pax along YCK road or HG Ave 9 (if 72 has not called). But yes 17 pax or 24 pax is not really a waste because we have ample of resources to throw around.
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Originally posted by proudtobeme:
can do 291 and 293? i like way u note pax count.
If I am in that area, will definitely do survey of these services. Thanks.