Loading level on buses
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I agreed,969 should be full DDs or at least with just a few OCs if Wldep takes in the buses.
For full DDs it will be 20 E500s and 4 A95s and for other option is
16 E500s,4 A95s and 5 OC500LEs.969A to be done by Amdep 67 split shift buses.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
I agreed,969 should be full DDs or at least with just a few OCs if Wldep takes in the buses.
For full DDs it will be 20 E500s and 4 A95s and for other option is
16 E500s,4 A95s and 5 OC500LEs.969A to be done by Amdep 67 split shift buses.
Cannot agree more. If 161/168 can have full fleet DD... 969 surely can. I hope it happens within the next 1 year.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Cannot agree more. If 161/168 can have full fleet DD... 969 surely can. I hope it happens within the next 1 year.
Can,With 9 service already freed up,They can jollywell make it happen together with service 190 and service 960.
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Another DD deployment mess up by SMRT (961)
Evening peak DD on sv 961 leaves Lor 1 Geylang at 18.40 hours. It is such a miss, because by the time it reaches Jalan Bukit Merah it is already 19.15-19.30 hours.. and the peak time rush at Bukit Merah is already gone. Imagine it will reach Mandai industrial estate only by 20.15-20.30 hours as the total run time for sv 961 is 2 and 1/2 hours one way.
So basically the DD is waste throughout the route.
There is an earlier DD that leaves Lor 1 Geylang at 16.45 hours... which is good because it will reach Bukit Merah by 17.30 hours and Mandai by 18.15 hours. So gets peak in both loading areas.
So 1 DD is in a proper time, the other one is totally misplaced and is timed for peak from Woodlands to Lor 1 which I am sure does not fetch DD worthy loading.
I believe the DD should leave Lor 1 between 17.00 and 17.30 hours to make best use of it.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I think 961 is doing okay... The route is so long that by the time it starts in peak, it is already off-peak during its journey... 961 also has many other options along its way, so IMO fleet is doing okay.
972 is doing perfect with 24 DDs... operating at frequency of 04-05 mins... if there is no bunching, each bus easily gets 60-70 pax... can expect this only to increase with the new flats in Senja/Segar opened this quarter.
190 needs to cut 2 buses... which should be SDs.. around 10-12 SDs are spammed on sv 190... totally uneccessary... frequency right now is operating at 03-04 mins... managing loading very well... will say DDs take around 80-90 pax peak on each bus... a tad higher than 190
700 can lose its 2 bendies... totally not required... loading on 700 still better during AM but PM has lost loading considerably... Most buses have around 50-60 peak loading.
985 should be a fleet of 6 DDs, 10 SDs... and for GOD sake deploy the DDs at the right time, which SMRT is not doing right now.
972 have bunching ; happened to seen it. But both bus loading quite good(Front have higher one).
190 to stay as it is, remove 2 or more SDs back-to-back and spread the SDs all around(As back-up).
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
I agreed,969 should be full DDs or at least with just a few OCs if Wldep takes in the buses.
For full DDs it will be 20 E500s and 4 A95s and for other option is
16 E500s,4 A95s and 5 OC500LEs.969A to be done by Amdep 67 split shift buses.
960 wise also can follow. 188 & 966 catching up also.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
I agreed,969 should be full DDs or at least with just a few OCs if Wldep takes in the buses.
For full DDs it will be 20 E500s and 4 A95s and for other option is
16 E500s,4 A95s and 5 OC500LEs.969A to be done by Amdep 67 split shift buses.
In my opinion, I'd rather WLDEP to deploy those OCs back to 858..
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Originally posted by SMB315C:
In my opinion, I'd rather WLDEP to deploy those OCs back to 858..
Citaro also not bad, for the "atas look"...
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But Citaro isnt a fav among SMRT BCs
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Originally posted by SMB315C:
In my opinion, I'd rather WLDEP to deploy those OCs back to 858..
Not only 858,187 & 962 can utilise it.
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Service 27's loading very funny. 40+ passengers alighted at PTB3 Bus stop
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Loading analysis on sv 803 @ Yishun around 07.40am
Yishun Interchange -- 09
Yishun Ave 9 -- 09 (0/0)
Yishun Ring Road -- 14 (-3/8)
Yishun St 31 -- 35 (-3/24)
Yishun Ave 6 -- 55 (-5/25)
Yishun Ave 9 -- 65 (-2/12), 64 (-1/0)
* Frequency with bus in front = 08 mins that left interchange with 8 pax
* During the 8 mins waiting time, 2 sv 860 left interchange
* Observed few boarded ring road stop, and did not mind doing ave 6 loop to interchange (I think assured that they will get a seat or place to board ?? or too lazy to cross road ??
)* Very good loading for short feeder just like sv 371... short and effective.
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Loading on svc 41 (SBS6552K) from Jurong East Temp Int at 5.53pm
(41 was scheduled to arrive at 5.46pm but it was late. When 183 arrived at 5.49pm, spotted 5-6 pax walking over from 41's queue to board 183. That 183 DD left with 25-35 pax. However, when 41 finally arrived, around 5 people also came over to board 41.)Jurong East Temp Int - [+20] 20Jurong East Ctrl - [+4] 24 (spotted 183 DD in opposite direction fully seated), [+1] 25 (183 DD in opposite direction almost fully seated, followed by 41 SD with 4 pax standing)(As the bus was turning into Toh Guan Rd, another 183 DD in opposite direction arrived with 6-7 pax onboard. After the bus turned into Toh Guan Rd, another 183 DD in opposite direction arrived with 15-20 pax. Crazy bunching...)Toh Guan Rd - [-6] 19, [+1-4] 16Toh Guan Rd East - [+2] 18 (2 pax didn't board; 41 SD in opposite direction packed to the door), [-1+1] 18 (7 pax didn't board), [+6] 24 (3 pax didn't board; opposite bus stop had 30-40 pax), [+5] 29 (2 pax didn't board; opposite bus stop had 10-15 pax)Toh Tuck Link - [-1+4] 32 (all pax boarded 41; opposite 41 DD almost empty, 183 DD almost empty, 183 SD almost empty)Toh Tuck Ave - [-1+5] 36 (1 pax alighted to transfer)Toh Tuck Rd - 36, [-7] 29 (at least 1 person boarded at Toh Tuck Ave and alighted here, should be transfer pax), [-6] 23, [-9+3] 17Jln Jurong Kechil - [-5] 12, [-4+1] 9, [-3+2] 8Jln Anak Bukit - [-6+3] 5- Majority of those working at Toh Guan Rd East travel to Jurong East, less to Clementi, even less to Toh Tuck, few to Beauty World- There are quite a lot of pax taking 41 from Jurong East all the way to Toh Tuck (12 pax from Jurong East to Toh Tuck Rd/Beauty World while 23 from Toh Guan/Toh Tuck Link/Ave to Toh Tuck Rd/Beauty World)- 183 needs better management IMO... Severe bunching in he opposite direction with some DDs having less than 10 pax. Then another period of long frequency and pax have to squeeze in the 41 SD.- Although 41 provides connection from Toh Guan to Beauty World MRT, I doubt this connection will be useful at all, as people may still prefer EWL/NSL (if they live along DTL, they would have already taken 41 to its looping point and transferred to other services) -
service 38
time 5.10pm
tamp int (26), tamp av 7 (30, 31, 27, 26), tamp av 2 (25), simei rd (26), simei st 1 (26, 20, 19), simei st 3 (20), simei st 4 (20, 17), simei rd (16), expo (18, 24), upp changi (30, 36), tnm mrt (45), bedok sth av 3 (45), bedok st rd (41, 29, 26, 18, 21, 19)
most peop at tnm mrt to go bdk sth road. i think peop prefer go tnm mrt bdk sth rd more than bdk mrt bdk sth rd. 45peop max.
service 38
time 6.40pm
bedok int (24), bdk sth rd (24, 24, 21, 19, 22, 28), bdk sth av 3 (29), tnm mrt (24), upp changi rd (24, 26), expo (33, 36), simei rd (36), simei st 4 (36, 30), simei st 3 (20), simei st 1 (18, 20, 23), simei rd (25), tamp av 2 (25), tamp av 7 (26, 26, 26, 22)
load more in pm from tamp bdk than bdk tamp on my 2 trip. 36 peop max.
load consistint at 20-30 peop thru the route.
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service 18
date - mon 12oct
time 5.30pm
tamp int (22), tamp av 7 (26, 26, 22, 20), tamp av 2 (18, 16, 18, 18), tamp av 1 (20), bdk res rd (20, 21), bdk nth av 3 (20), bdk nth rd (18), bdk nth av 2 (18)
i get down take next bus. 26peop max.
time 6.30pm
bdk int (28), bdk nth av 2 (26), bdk nth rd (24), bdk nth av 3 (25, 23), bdk res rd (24, 24), tamp av 1 (28), tamp av 2 (26, 22, 20, 16), tamp av 7 (16, 18, 18, 14)
28 peop max
imo 38 load more 18 load. 38 round trip load high point 45 peop. 18 round trip high point 28 peop.
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i do next week 69, 17, 20.
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I believe 103 needs DDs
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Approximate partial loading on sv 187 (SMB237U), from Woodlands Int
Friday 16 Oct 2015, ~1827hrs
My first attempt to record loading while en route home. Admittedly I wasn't well prepared, had only a pen and notebook, and had to stand in a packed A22 for most of my journey. Some of the busier stops were difficult to count, and may have a wider error margin. Here goes:
- Woodlands Int -- 49 (49) (±1 up to BKE sector)
- Woodlands Ave 3 -- 46 (-3/0), 42 (-4/0), 55 (-1/14), 53 (-2/0)
- BKE -- began express @ 1837 hrs, pax = 53
- Bt Panjang Rd -- 44? (-22/13?), 41? (-5/2), 37 (-7/3?) (I did headcount here, it was around 1849 hrs), 40? (-9/12?)
- CCK Rd -- 42? (-4/6?), 45? (0/3)
- Bt Batok Rd -- 47? (0/2), 46? (-2/1)
- BB W. Ave 5 -- 44? (-10/8?) (Still approx, reached around 1856 hrs)
- BB W. Ave 7 -- 39 (-6/1), 38 (-1/0) (±1 from here)
- BB W. Ave 4 -- 31 (-8/1)
- BB W. Ave 2 -- 32 (-1/2), 29 (-4/1), 31 (0/2)
- BB Central -- 34 (-2/5), 44 (-2/12) (I alighted here, at 1908 hrs)
- Woodlands Int -- 49 (49) (±1 up to BKE sector)
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I dun understand SMRT concept of deployment,Svc like 187 do need more DDs and not more SD fleet added.187 i believe need 5 full day and 2 split DDs to begin with but they chose to add more DDs to svc like 966 and 972 which always occur bunchings..
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3807X on sv 3 reached Pasir Ris Interchange @ 17.40 hours (bus was practically empty with around 30 pax boarding at Pasir Ris Int)
3807X leaves Tampines Interchange @ 18.40 hours to do Punggol bound service (left interchange with 25 pax)
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Loading on sv 39 on 3916P at 18.48 hours from Tampines Interchange
Tampines Interchange -- 29
Tampines Ave 5 -- 38 (0/9), 47 (0/9)
Tampines Ave 2 -- 42 (-10/5), 32 (-15/5), 24 (-14/6), 33 (-2/12) already 19h+
Tampines Ave 7 -- 35 (-2/4), 33 (-8/6)
Loyang Ave -- 34 (-2/3)
Pasir Ris dr 1 -- 36 (-2/4), 33 (-7/4), 30 (-7/4), 28 (-6/4), 28 (-4/4), 26 (-8/6), 24 (-2/0), 24 (0/0), 24 (0/0), 22 (-2/0), 23 (-5/6)
Pasir Ris Dr 12 -- 27 (-5/9)
TPE Sengkang side -- 30 (-3/6) around 20h
Jalan Kayu -- 38 (-1/9) I alighted here.
** Peak loading = 47 pax
** Bus does Yishun to Tampines from 16.50 hours (so I think it misses the PM rush from Yishun/Jalan Kayu to Pasir Ris)
** Bus does Tampines / Yishun route as stated from 18.50 hours to 20.30h + (somehow misses the PM peak between Pasir Ris and Yishun towns as well)
** As per iris bus ahead was 09 mins, bus behind was 09 mins... so frequency seems pretty consistent and just under 10 mins (guess this was done when DDs were not around and sv 39 had to take in SD fleet adds almost every quarter to make up for it. Now with DDs coming in, the # buses still stays same and somehow loading on this sector has not increased)
** Overall spotted 2 DDs in opposite direction while on sv 39, both had around 30-40 pax only
** This is one route which does TPE and it surprises me that the loading is not very high. The reason I say this is that at the same time, I could still observe 161/168/969 DDs were packed.. and had good loading in both directions
** Maybe the DDs are getting better utilized in AM ? Just hoping their timings are right though.
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Heard 859 bendies got full to the door during peak hour just now, justified for DDs or bendies?
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
Heard 859 bendies got full to the door during peak hour just now, justified for DDs or bendies?
depends whether 856 called stop or not. sometimes 859 rigid comes before 856 bendy and gets packed to door. remaining people take the 856 that is right behind. still 859 does not justify a bendy or DD... unless they make some changes to 859 route first such as extension to loop at ring road.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
depends whether 856 called stop or not. sometimes 859 rigid comes before 856 bendy and gets packed to door. remaining people take the 856 that is right behind. still 859 does not justify a bendy or DD... unless they make some changes to 859 route first such as extension to loop at ring road.
A route like 859 should have been properly rerouted long ago ... right now it's already being heavily backed by 856, 859A and 859B, which just makes it inefficient.
Anyway, which sector on 859 usually sees the heaviest loading?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Loading on sv 39 on 3916P at 18.48 hours from Tampines Interchange
Tampines Interchange -- 29
Tampines Ave 5 -- 38 (0/9), 47 (0/9)
Tampines Ave 2 -- 42 (-10/5), 32 (-15/5), 24 (-14/6), 33 (-2/12) already 19h+
Tampines Ave 7 -- 35 (-2/4), 33 (-8/6)
Loyang Ave -- 34 (-2/3)
Pasir Ris dr 1 -- 36 (-2/4), 33 (-7/4), 30 (-7/4), 28 (-6/4), 28 (-4/4), 26 (-8/6), 24 (-2/0), 24 (0/0), 24 (0/0), 22 (-2/0), 23 (-5/6)
Pasir Ris Dr 12 -- 27 (-5/9)
TPE Sengkang side -- 30 (-3/6) around 20h
Jalan Kayu -- 38 (-1/9) I alighted here.
** Peak loading = 47 pax
** Bus does Yishun to Tampines from 16.50 hours (so I think it misses the PM rush from Yishun/Jalan Kayu to Pasir Ris)
** Bus does Tampines / Yishun route as stated from 18.50 hours to 20.30h + (somehow misses the PM peak between Pasir Ris and Yishun towns as well)
** As per iris bus ahead was 09 mins, bus behind was 09 mins... so frequency seems pretty consistent and just under 10 mins (guess this was done when DDs were not around and sv 39 had to take in SD fleet adds almost every quarter to make up for it. Now with DDs coming in, the # buses still stays same and somehow loading on this sector has not increased)
** Overall spotted 2 DDs in opposite direction while on sv 39, both had around 30-40 pax only
** This is one route which does TPE and it surprises me that the loading is not very high. The reason I say this is that at the same time, I could still observe 161/168/969 DDs were packed.. and had good loading in both directions
** Maybe the DDs are getting better utilized in AM ? Just hoping their timings are right though.
I think the problem is more with the timing. 8pm is way too late...
And also take note that the turnover rate is quite high especially between Tampines and Pasir Ris.