Loading level on buses
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SBS3105M hardly ever overtakes SBS6500K.
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Originally posted by A Bus Observer:
Loading on 189, during morning peak @ Clementi MRT to Nan Hua high school:
always very full, students always stranded, left with only other svcs to take, some buses are extreemly overpacked, some not so cause they dw to move to the rear. Today there was some improvement, DDs were deployed instead of usual SDs. Students waiting at Blk 317 or before, can’t board cause bus from bbt load is packed to door. DD takes about 5-6mins to unload all pax at school. To be honest, DD or BD doesn’t really matter, what matters is bringing people to school ON time.
Obs today saw many people taking bus 183, 106.
Pretty much every 189 gets overloaded.perhaps they can get DDs to downrt from 1 stop before Clementi station or operate 106A to Nan Hua high or make 106A change eds to 189 @ Clementi station?
Once saw a full house DD pulling into Clementi MRT during PM Peak also...
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Originally posted by A Bus Observer:
Loading on 189, during morning peak @ Clementi MRT to Nan Hua high school:
always very full, students always stranded, left with only other svcs to take, some buses are extreemly overpacked, some not so cause they dw to move to the rear. Today there was some improvement, DDs were deployed instead of usual SDs. Students waiting at Blk 317 or before, can’t board cause bus from bbt load is packed to door. DD takes about 5-6mins to unload all pax at school. To be honest, DD or BD doesn’t really matter, what matters is bringing people to school ON time.
Obs today saw many people taking bus 183, 106.
Pretty much every 189 gets overloaded.perhaps they can get DDs to downrt from 1 stop before Clementi station or operate 106A to Nan Hua high or make 106A change eds to 189 @ Clementi station?
An alternative solution would be to extend 173 to Clementi Ave 1. Though this may be counter-productive, given 173's current fleet and frequency.
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The best thing is to convert several SD slots to DD..
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Spotted 2 Sv170 Citaro within Kranji area...both seems to be rather empty towards Queen St. Maybe SBST should just run them during peak hours?
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For 189, the # of high capacity buses is lesser than it deserves. I think frequency is okay but SDs cannot tank the load. Good fleet would be just the opposite of what we have today. 8 DDs, 5 SDs.
Moreover 189 has DD worthy loading in both directions albeit not entire route.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Service 43 is getting worse this year compared to 2015. SDs on 43M will arrive packed to the door, then one minute later, DDs on 43 will appear. This is even worse than bunching of 43 and 43M with one SD and one DD! There is no bus that departs Punggol at 6.35 am, or 3 minutes before or after, on both 43 and 43M. Something has to be done about the crowd of students at 6.50 am at Sengkang and Punggol. Many students were left stranded at Buangkok Green because of this pig-brained deployment of SBS6500K 2 minutes before SBS3105M. The previous bus before these two is SBS3458U and SBS3003Z, that bunch very often and leave 15-17 minutes before either SBS6500K or SBS3105M.
SBS6500K also gets huge school crowds in the afternoon. It's time that LTA does something about this and upgrade SBS6500K.
43 is becoming an issue at both ends. Even at Paya Lebar side. I think it is still okay between Serangoon and Buangkok Green due to 43M. It is classic that when SDs are deployed and the bus gets full, the SD moves very slowly as pax alight and pax have to board at every stop. With this the DD at the back catches up.
But I think students are not really stranded if there is a DD right behind. It is okay to wait for the next bus. To your point, if this is a regular case, SBS should adjust to have the DD on 6500K slot and vice-versa. It irritates me to hell when the SD in front gets 70pax bursting, and the DD comes right behind with 40-50 pax, when it should be the other way around.
I spotted this on sv 25/87 also. So wrong to have SDs on these services, because they cannot tank the load. SDs on these services travel slower than DDs and usually DDs catch up with SD in front not able to take in all pax.
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My proposal:
43M -> 6 SDs (downgrade 3 DDs -> 3 SDs)
43 -> 14 DDs, 7 SDs (upgrade 4 SDs -> 4 DDs)
* 43M DDs many times bunch with 70 & 43 at NEX and go empty all the way back to Punggol. Likewise in AM towards NEX. SDs can help better in this sector as frequency on YCK road sector between 43/43M/70 is a bus every 03 minutes equal to the best feeders in some towns (that too with HC buses)
* 43 SDs cannot tank the load as there are people from YCK road who want to go to Parkway or Paya Lebar and cannot board because of huge number of pax alighting at NEX
* 43 SDs are not able to tank load from Paya Lebar towards Marine Parade/Bayshore as well
* This way the DDs can be used better throughout 43 route.
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I excite to post first full loading analyse on serv 118.
time: 415pm from changi business park central
changi business park central (11)
changi point (22)
changi sth av 1 (25)
xilin avenue (26)
simei avenue (66 ite), 70, 72 (changi hospital - first stop where peop alight)
tamp avenue 1 (72, 70, 79, 92)
tamp avenue 8 (91, 86)
tamp avenue 10 (90, 86, 80, 81, 83) many get down 2nd stop to transfer bus 27 and 58
tpe stop (44) half bus got empty here
punggol way (45, 38)
punggol central (36)
punggol interchange (-36)
high point = 92 at tamp avenue 1.
no spot any single decker. i think full fleet double decker. i did not expect so good load since bef pm peak but all traffic student from ite and some temasek.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
My proposal:
43M -> 6 SDs (downgrade 3 DDs -> 3 SDs)
43 -> 14 DDs, 7 SDs (upgrade 4 SDs -> 4 DDs)
* 43M DDs many times bunch with 70 & 43 at NEX and go empty all the way back to Punggol. Likewise in AM towards NEX. SDs can help better in this sector as frequency on YCK road sector between 43/43M/70 is a bus every 03 minutes equal to the best feeders in some towns (that too with HC buses)
* 43 SDs cannot tank the load as there are people from YCK road who want to go to Parkway or Paya Lebar and cannot board because of huge number of pax alighting at NEX
* 43 SDs are not able to tank load from Paya Lebar towards Marine Parade/Bayshore as well
* This way the DDs can be used better throughout 43 route.
Then, the whole 43M fleet should cross over to 34 during peak hours. 43M will be full DD during peak hours only, and 34 will need no split shift buses.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Then, the whole 43M fleet should cross over to 34 during peak hours. 43M will be full DD during peak hours only, and 34 will need no split shift buses.
If full 43M fleet crosses over to sv 34 during peak hours, why do you even need 43M?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
If full 43M fleet crosses over to sv 34 during peak hours, why do you even need 43M?
Double-decker buses replace the 43M single-deckers during peak hours.
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Originally posted by proudtobeme:
I excite to post first full loading analyse on serv 118.
time: 415pm from changi business park central
changi business park central (11)
changi point (22)
changi sth av 1 (25)
xilin avenue (26)
simei avenue (66 ite), 70, 72 (changi hospital - first stop where peop alight)
tamp avenue 1 (72, 70, 79, 92)
tamp avenue 8 (91, 86)
tamp avenue 10 (90, 86, 80, 81, 83) many get down 2nd stop to transfer bus 27 and 58
tpe stop (44) half bus got empty here
punggol way (45, 38)
punggol central (36)
punggol interchange (-36)
high point = 92 at tamp avenue 1.
no spot any single decker. i think full fleet double decker. i did not expect so good load since bef pm peak but all traffic student from ite and some temasek.
Hi mr proudtobeme, impressive loading. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Double-decker buses replace them during peak hours.
Sorry - I am finding it difficult to comprehend your suggestion. How can DD buses go on sv 34? If this was possible, would have been done long back.
43M needs full fleet SD and give its DDs to 43 in turn.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Sorry - I am finding it difficult to comprehend your suggestion. How can DD buses go on sv 34? If this was possible, would have been done long back.
43M needs full fleet SD and give its DDs to 43 in turn.
Service 43M single-decker buses cross over to service 34 during peak hours and split-shift double-decker buses replace the 43M single-deckers. There can also be one E shift double-decker.
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Originally posted by proudtobeme:
I excite to post first full loading analyse on serv 118.
time: 415pm from changi business park central
changi business park central (11)
changi point (22)
changi sth av 1 (25)
xilin avenue (26)
simei avenue (66 ite), 70, 72 (changi hospital - first stop where peop alight)
tamp avenue 1 (72, 70, 79, 92)
tamp avenue 8 (91, 86)
tamp avenue 10 (90, 86, 80, 81, 83) many get down 2nd stop to transfer bus 27 and 58
tpe stop (44) half bus got empty here
punggol way (45, 38)
punggol central (36)
punggol interchange (-36)
high point = 92 at tamp avenue 1.
no spot any single decker. i think full fleet double decker. i did not expect so good load since bef pm peak but all traffic student from ite and some temasek.
Excellent loading... Later can even consider introducing SWT 118A/B between TPE bus stop and ITE (CGBP).
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My computer broke down so I cannot use colours anymore. This may seem a bit messy so sorry for the inconvenience.
Loading on 116 (SBS6548Z)(18:38) Hougang Ctrl Int - 58
(18:41) Hougang Ave 4 - [+1] 59, [-9+3] 53, [-10] 43 (72 DD in front)(18:48) Hougang Ave 9 - [-11] 32 (two 72 DDs in front), [-19+1] 14 (opposite 72 SDS had 6-8 pax standing followed by an almost empty 72 DD), [-6+2] 10(18:52) Serangoon North Ave 4 - [-3+2] 9 (opposite 73 had ~20 pax), [-3+13] 19 (opposite 116 had 10 pax standing before calling at the stop)(18:56) Ang Mo Kio Ave 3 - [-1+6] 24 (I alighted here) (opposite 116 had 1 pax standing)- Although 116 duplicates 72, in PM peak they still seem to receive separate crowds of people (116 mainly for those using MRT Exit A which is just outside 116's berth)- 116's loading is actually okay between Serangoon and Serangoon North, and pax do wait at 116's stops towards Serangoon North (opposite 315's) even when it's against peak direction. Opposite 116 also had a good number of pax. However, not many take 116 from Hougang to Serangoon North.(Still, most pax take 73 from Ang Mo Kio to Serangoon North. Refer to loading analysis on 74 below)- Take note that 116 is also the only service from AMK Ave 3 bus stop to Serangoon / NEX -
Loading on 74 SD (SBS6187G) from Ang Mo Kio Ave 3(132 just passed by 2 mins ago)(19:09) Ang Mo Kio Ave 3 - [-3+1] 19, [-2+14] 31, [+7] 38, [-1] 37, [-2] 35, [-3+6] 38, [-1] 37 (opposite 73 packed to the door), [-23?+3?] 17 (Ang Mo Kio MRT, 19:18), [-3+13] 27(19:22) Ang Mo Kio Ave 6 - [-9+2] 20(19:23) Marymount Rd - [-2] 18 (851 in front), [-2] 16, [-1] 15, [-1+2] 16(19:30) Upp Thomson Rd - [-2] 14, [-2+1] 13 (opposite 156 (?) almost packed to the door)(19:32) Lornie Rd - [+3] 16, 16, 16, 16(19:37) Adam Rd - 16, [-3] 13(19:40) Bt Timah Rd - 13, 13, [-1+1] 13 (Tan Kah Kee MRT, 19:42), 13, [-2] 11- Interesting that 74 still got 27 pax at AMK Ave 3 even when a lot of other services (132, 76) have just passed by, and it's already quite late- I'm not sure whether I saw the 156 correctly... But if it's really 156 I would get a heart attack.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Spotted 2 Sv170 Citaro within Kranji area...both seems to be rather empty towards Queen St. Maybe SBST should just run them during peak hours?
I would think that 170A is just SBS' way of ensuring they have backup buses in case of DTL breakdown considering that they don't have an interchange nearby that can dispatch buses in short notice. Having said that, it also allows SBS to put in more buses on 170X.
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Partial Loading Obs on 99 SBS8592G @ 12:15pm, bus was 2mins late for picking up pax All figures incl myself Clem Int (21/0) Cwealth ave west 23(2/0) 23(1/-1) B Lay way 24(1/0) 21(0/-3) 24(3/0) 29(5/0) - IBP 22(1/-8) - big box/Jurong hospital 21(2/-3) 20(-3/2[piw and 1 pusher]) 22(4/-2) Jurong Town hall rd 23(1/0) JE ave 1 24(4/-3) 31(7/0) 38(11/-4) *boarding +1/-1 as I alighted here n was counting from outside. feel free to express ur opinions
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Originally posted by A Bus Observer:
Partial Loading Obs on 99 SBS8592G @ 12:15pm, bus was 2mins late for picking up pax
All figures incl myself
Clem Int (21/0)
Cwealth ave west 23(2/0) 23(1/-1)
B Lay way 24(1/0) 21(0/-3) 24(3/0) 29(5/0) – IBP 22(1/-
– big box/Jurong hospital 21(2/-3)
20(-3/2[piw and 1 pusher]) 22(4/-2)
Jurong Town hall rd 23(1/0)
JE ave 1 24(4/-3) 31(7/0) 38(11/-4) *boarding +1/-1 as I alighted here n was counting from outside.feel free to express ur opinions
Decent off-peak loading. Most services at that time have less than 20 pax loading.
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i obsess serv 47. take note of my trip last week.
thu am 720am 3417k
tnm mrt (14)
bdk sth avenue 3 (17)
bdk sth rd (22, 25, 31, 33)
bdk sth avenue 1 (33, 32)
mp rd (35, 36, 34, 32, 28, 25, 33, 30, 18, 8)
amber rd (12)
east coast rd (10, 12, 14)
still rd sth (14)
mp rd (15, 21, 22, 28, 35, 40, 44)
bdk sth avenue 1 (54, 56)
bdk sth rd (58, 60, 63, 64)
bdk sth avenue 3 (69)
tnm mrt - i count 32 peop get down. when i alight next stop, i count total peop on bus are 71 peop. so 37 peop use 47 bef tnm to business park.
then i take serv 12 single decker pack to door. i only person to ask bus stop else wud not stop. i think had 64 peop but bus so crowd i could have +- 4 peop count error
high loading point = 69 bef tnm and 71 aft tnm.
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serv 12 kub most peop alight expo and tamp east cc.
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Originally posted by proudtobeme:
i obsess serv 47. take note of my trip last week.
thu am 720am 3417k
tnm mrt (14)
bdk sth avenue 3 (17)
bdk sth rd (22, 25, 31, 33)
bdk sth avenue 1 (33, 32)
mp rd (35, 36, 34, 32, 28, 25, 33, 30, 18, 8)
amber rd (12)
east coast rd (10, 12, 14)
still rd sth (14)
mp rd (15, 21, 22, 28, 35, 40, 44)
bdk sth avenue 1 (54, 56)
bdk sth rd (58, 60, 63, 64)
bdk sth avenue 3 (69)
tnm mrt - i count 32 peop get down. when i alight next stop, i count total peop on bus are 71 peop. so 37 peop use 47 bef tnm to business park.
then i take serv 12 single decker pack to door. i only person to ask bus stop else wud not stop. i think had 64 peop but bus so crowd i could have +- 4 peop count error
high loading point = 69 bef tnm and 71 aft tnm.
It just shows that 47 does deserve its DDs and not that bad as some "users" here claimed.
Hence, it is important that for new services, we should at least give 2-3 months if not more, before commenting.
I comment on sv 119/102 because even after +3 months of introduction, the loading has not reached a DD worthy loading. 119 is gone case with 3 years, yet loading remains <50 pax.
85 loading remains in 50-60 pax peak but I am still okay as it is more of long distance route.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
It just shows that 47 does deserve its DDs and not that bad as some "users" here claimed.
Hence, it is important that for new services, we should at least give 2-3 months if not more, before commenting.
I comment on sv 119/102 because even after +3 months of introduction, the loading has not reached a DD worthy loading. 119 is gone case with 3 years, yet loading remains <50 pax.
85 loading remains in 50-60 pax peak but I am still okay as it is more of long distance route.
47:60% SD 40% DD
117:60% DD 40% SD
118:65% SD 35% DD
85:70% SD 30% SD