Loading level on buses
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
No need crossover DDs la if the 70 odd loads is just a couple of trips..students somemore.Just KUBs will clear the loads.
Why bother so much about 2 dd trips in the whole freaking day. Let them stay. SBST has enough DDs if other service needs too.
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The main culprit where DDs should seriously be transferred to another service is 119.
taken it in the peak of peak timings to check.
am peak: reached 65-68 pax at few stops along Rivervale area
pm peak: 50-55 pax loading around Punggolmroad before Rivervale area and then drop to 25-30 pax within Sengkang and Punggol.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
The main culprit where DDs should seriously be transferred to another service is 119.
taken it in the peak of peak timings to check.
am peak: reached 65-68 pax at few stops along Rivervale area
pm peak: 50-55 pax loading around Punggolmroad before Rivervale area and then drop to 25-30 pax within Sengkang and Punggol.
If SBST have more DDs then why bother the 2 DDs on 119?Let it be.. -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
If SBST have more DDs then why bother the 2 DDs on 119?Let it be..Coz those are full day perm, not crossover... Sad to see you don't see the difference.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Coz those are full day perm, not crossover... Sad to see you don't see the difference.
I have seen DDs appearing on Sv 136 during off peak also. Same goes for Sv 93.
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Originally posted by sbst191:
I have seen DDs appearing on Sv 136 during off peak also. Same goes for Sv 93.
Ok to rest the topic - yes both 93/136 don't need perm DDs, just like 113/119 does not need
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Ok to rest the topic - yes both 93/136 don't need perm DDs, just like 113/119 does not need
For 93/136 no need crossovers also. FFS.
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Sv 275 @ 11:30 am on Sat
Bukit Merah Interchange -- 14
Jalan Bukit Merah -- 19
Lower Delta road -- 16, 14
Bukit Purmei Ave -- 19 (14 alight, 19 board)
Lower Delta rd -- 23, 24
Jalan Bukit Merah -- 18
** if 131 goes before 275, I am sure the bus will have not more than 5 pax.
** why not just introduce 131B for am peak 3/4 trips rather than having a dedicated service?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Sv 275 @ 11:30 am on Sat
Bukit Merah Interchange -- 14
Jalan Bukit Merah -- 19
Lower Delta road -- 16, 14
Bukit Purmei Ave -- 19 (14 alight, 19 board)
Lower Delta rd -- 23, 24
Jalan Bukit Merah -- 18
** if 131 goes before 275, I am sure the bus will have not more than 5 pax.
** why not just introduce 131B for am peak 3/4 trips rather than having a dedicated service?
MUCH shorter version of 123...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Coz those are full day perm, not crossover... Sad to see you don't see the difference.
The way you emphasized make people look like bloody idiot..You think my knowledge into bus business is yesterday only ah?Another no brainer act smart! -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
The way you emphasized make people look like bloody idiot..You think my knowledge into bus business is yesterday only ah?Another no brainer act smart!LOL, is it he not sure whether you know why crossover DDs and full day DDs are different? Maybe a few more split DDs can be added or swapped with the SDs on 119, if that helps...
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
MUCH shorter version of 123...
It is not 123, but 131.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
It is not 123, but 131.
123 loops at Bt Purmei Ave from Bt Merah Int as well, but takes the longer route via Queensway, Holland Rd, Napier Rd, Tanglin Rd, Orchard Rd, Clemenceau Ave, Havelock Rd, Zion/Outram Rd, Tiong Bahru Rd & Lower Delta Rd.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
The main culprit where DDs should seriously be transferred to another service is 119.
taken it in the peak of peak timings to check.
am peak: reached 65-68 pax at few stops along Rivervale area
pm peak: 50-55 pax loading around Punggolmroad before Rivervale area and then drop to 25-30 pax within Sengkang and Punggol.
Use these DDs for a new service 27M that loops at Tampines Ave 5.
Remove 27A once 27M is introduced.
The two DDs plus all of HGDEP's spare WEGs.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Why bother so much about 2 dd trips in the whole freaking day. Let them stay. SBST has enough DDs if other service needs too.
even today Sunday I still saw 2 DDs on 119 leh .
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Originally posted by Lsk138:
even today Sunday I still saw 2 DDs on 119 leh .
It's funny how 161 gets most of its DDs sleeping in the depot on Sundays and even Public Holidays when it needs it more than 119.
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Originally posted by Lsk138:
even today Sunday I still saw 2 DDs on 119 leh .
I saw one. Not sure about the other one.
Originally posted by sbst191:It's funny how 161 gets most of its DDs sleeping in the depot on Sundays and even Public Holidays when it needs it more than 119.
Few DDs. Saw 3 DDs but only 1 DD.
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There was 1 occasion when i saw 3 DDs on 119.
The extra DD was a B9TL CDGE cameo from Sv 80
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
123 loops at Bt Purmei Ave from Bt Merah Int as well, but takes the longer route via Queensway, Holland Rd, Napier Rd, Tanglin Rd, Orchard Rd, Clemenceau Ave, Havelock Rd, Zion/Outram Rd, Tiong Bahru Rd & Lower Delta Rd.
Yes I of course know that.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Use these DDs for a new service 27M that loops at Tampines Ave 5.
Remove 27A once 27M is introduced.
The two DDs plus all of HGDEP's spare WEGs.
Yes... This would be optimal solution to manage loading for Sv 27 and has been posted many times here before also told to SBST but nothing done. Maybe need to tell LTA now.
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Originally posted by sbst191:
It's funny how 161 gets most of its DDs sleeping in the depot on Sundays and even Public Holidays when it needs it more than 119.
Coz of BSEP... See no other reason.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr SBS7557R, good effort. However, care to explain the conclusion of this audit? Worth it? Average service? Need improvement of frequency? Or enhancement of route? Thanks.
Will put all the stats into Excel later today for a clearer view.
Overall the load stats are the highest between Kovan MRT & Lor Ah Soo during evening peak. The peak load of 48 pax is still manageable by an SD in comparison to bus svs w/ higher demands. But then again, there are some discrepancies in stats which cannot be accounted for unfortunately.
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
Will put all the stats into Excel later today for a clearer view.
Overall the load stats are the highest between Kovan MRT & Lor Ah Soo during evening peak. The peak load of 48 pax is still manageable by an SD in comparison to bus svs w/ higher demands. But then again, there are some discrepancies in stats which cannot be accounted for unfortunately.
Can you please post? Will be good to see...The minor discrepancies are not important as they are not decision maker in loading right.. normally error is 2-3 pax which is okay.
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Sv 27 @ 17.15 from HG interchange (earlier bus left int @ 17.08)
HG interchange -- 12
Hg ave 10 -- 23
Hg ave 6 -- 26, 23
Sengkang Central -- 30 (BGk MRT)
Sengkang east ave -- 31
Compassalve rd -- 32, 29, 29, 27
Compassalve st -- 30
Punggol rd -- 43
Tampines ave 10 -- 50, 57, 70 (2-3 pax could not board), 70 (did not stop - 3-4 pax on stop)
Tampines ave 9 -- 71 (-3, 4, 3-4 pax could not board), 68 (-8, 5)
Tampines ave 7 -- 59 (-14, 5)
Tampines ave 4 -- 48 (Tam MRT), 40 (-11, 3)
Tampines ave 5 -- 37 (-7, 4)... I alighted here.
** there is dd worthy loading even in opposite direction of peak especially in Tampines town. Most pax alight on stops along reg library, MRT and century square, again validating that DDs on 27A/27M would make complete sense.
** citaro really cannot fit more than 70 pax... Could already see how people were packed... Good thing was not for long time.. But people in opposite direction can really pity them
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After riding on 27, I switched to 168 at ave 5 to Bedok MRT...
Ave 5 -- 51
Safra -- 53
Bedok Reservoir rd -- 54, 53
Bedok north ave 3 -- 55 (-6, 8), 53 (-8, 6), 54 (-7, 8)
Bedok north st 1 -- 51 (-7, 4)