Yes, bro u got my point...
I think the regulator is not doing enough honestly. Experienced many times taking sv190 at 11.45pm, nearing midnight at Raffles town club back to Bt Panjang/CCK. Bendies full and not stopped to pick up ppl. Ending taking taxi What kind of excuses operator and LTA can give for this service lapsed? Jammed, buses breakdown or drivers on MC. Many of us in private sector knows that whether rain or shine, it is still Business as usual, no excuses.
Secondly most of the SMRT buses from city heading back to HDB estates at 11.30pm (last bus). However at 12midnight, we still see a number of SBST buses running back from City to HDB. Who decide the last timing of bus services, PTC and LTA needs to dictate this, and not let the operator disrcretion to decide based on commercial reasons. Because some operator simply dont care.
In year 2007, PTC responded to ST queries regarding crowded buses in Bt Panjang. Stock take now, 7 bloody years, still crowded! Except now the reply is by LTA. Pg 2
Originally posted by phillipC:I think the regulator is not doing enough honestly. Experienced many times taking sv190 at 11.45pm, nearing midnight at Raffles town club back to Bt Panjang/CCK. Bendies full and not stopped to pick up ppl. Ending taking taxi What kind of excuses operator and LTA can give for this service lapsed? Jammed, buses breakdown or drivers on MC. Many of us in private sector knows that whether rain or shine, it is still Business as usual, no excuses.
Secondly most of the SMRT buses from city heading back to HDB estates at 11.30pm (last bus). However at 12midnight, we still see a number of SBST buses running back from City to HDB. Who decide the last timing of bus services, PTC and LTA needs to dictate this, and not let the operator disrcretion to decide based on commercial reasons. Because some operator simply dont care.
In year 2007, PTC responded to ST queries regarding crowded buses in Bt Panjang. Stock take now, 7 bloody years, still crowded! Except now the reply is by LTA. Pg 2
Bro, did you feedback direct to LTA/SMRT?!
Smetimes SLs/BCs play punk, weeks back spotted OC sv853C at M Parade Rd, 2340hrs++, was on its way to UEC, lights off, desto put OFF SERVICE, its obvious SL is just running the full route w/o picking passengers
Originally posted by Acx1688:Bro, did you feedback direct to LTA/SMRT?!
Smetimes SLs/BCs play punk, weeks back spotted OC sv853C at M Parade Rd, 2340hrs++, was on its way to UEC, lights off, desto put OFF SERVICE, its obvious SL is just running the full route w/o picking passengers
Originally posted by SBS1984E:
SMRT Is not the only one. Spotted SBS6001J OFF SVC EDS along Tampines ST 45 towards TAMPINES INT with interior lights on.
So it is happening...
When sv76 was still looping at Siglap Rd, a few sv76 BCs would turn LEFT to Still Rd South n return depot...
Originally posted by Acx1688:So it is happening...
When sv76 was still looping at Siglap Rd, a few sv76 BCs would turn LEFT to Still Rd South n return depot...
Originally posted by Acx1688:Bro, did you feedback direct to LTA/SMRT?!
Smetimes SLs/BCs play punk, weeks back spotted OC sv853C at M Parade Rd, 2340hrs++, was on its way to UEC, lights off, desto put OFF SERVICE, its obvious SL is just running the full route w/o picking passengers
Bro, you will know the standard reply/template LTA will give.
(1) Aware of the high demand on this route, operator has injected additional xx number of trips since DD/MM/201XX. Will closely monitor the situation and adjust accordingly to the number of trips. Never answer that the current fleet is sufficient to cope with the load.
(2)Sharing you with the future plans, like the DTL in 2016 and constructions of high flyers at junctions of CCK /Bt Panjang and woodlands. Which will smooth the traffic flows.
(3) Offer alternatives like the NR3 which costs $4.50 (not too sure how much it costs per trip now). Somemore NR services only available on eve of PH and Sat. Other services like Sv700,960,972. As if I dont know. If a person is heading towards Teckwhye and CCK area, these are not an options.
(4) Seeking your patience to have the plan implemented. Guess must wait for another seven more years.
(5) Operator commercial decision to decide what last bus timings
Originally posted by SBS1984E:
Wanted to feedback to SBS Transit. But without photographic evidence. I am not sure if SBS Transit will believe me. By the time I saw the EDS and took out my phone, the bus has already skipped the stop or if I do manage to snap, the photo will likely be very blur and unusable. This incident was not the first time. Years back, there was a 10e BC who did this (9636H) mid route (after suntec bus stop). He did this repeatedly. So I managed to grab a shot and sent it in. Never seen that BC on 10e afterwards.
1800-CALL-LTA and talk to the human operator the moment you see this. Tell them you will escalate the matter to the press if they do not give you an adequate reply.
Consider taking a video instead. A lot of recent attention has been based on evidence uploaded to YouTube.
Originally posted by phillipC:Bro, you will know the standard reply/template LTA will give.
(1) Aware of the high demand on this route, operator has injected additional xx number of trips since DD/MM/201XX. Will closely monitor the situation and adjust accordingly to the number of trips. Never answer that the current fleet is sufficient to cope with the load.
(2)Sharing you with the future plans, like the DTL in 2016 and constructions of high flyers at junctions of CCK /Bt Panjang and woodlands. Which will smooth the traffic flows.
(3) Offer alternatives like the NR3 which costs $4.50 (not too sure how much it costs per trip now). Somemore NR services only available on eve of PH and Sat. Other services like Sv700,960,972. As if I dont know. If a person is heading towards Teckwhye and CCK area, these are not an options.
(4) Seeking your patience to have the plan implemented. Guess must wait for another seven more years.
(5) Operator commercial decision to decide what last bus timings
Transperth has been telling me this a lot as well. Worse, they tend to bump the problem straight to the operators.
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Originally posted by phillipC:Bro, you will know the standard reply/template LTA will give.
(1) Aware of the high demand on this route, operator has injected additional xx number of trips since DD/MM/201XX. Will closely monitor the situation and adjust accordingly to the number of trips. Never answer that the current fleet is sufficient to cope with the load.
(2)Sharing you with the future plans, like the DTL in 2016 and constructions of high flyers at junctions of CCK /Bt Panjang and woodlands. Which will smooth the traffic flows.
(3) Offer alternatives like the NR3 which costs $4.50 (not too sure how much it costs per trip now). Somemore NR services only available on eve of PH and Sat. Other services like Sv700,960,972. As if I dont know. If a person is heading towards Teckwhye and CCK area, these are not an options.
(4) Seeking your patience to have the plan implemented. Guess must wait for another seven more years.
(5) Operator commercial decision to decide what last bus timings
So i am not the only one who gets this standard reply. Many a time, i wunder do LTA officers actually go down to recce to confirm our feedback instead of just relying on computer data...
I do noe contracted LTA staff take bus timings but some folks just do a half past job...
I ve personally c these people in action... totally disgusted
Today's Section D ST has a 2 page write out on Tfl bus contract model...
Writer sponsored trip by LTA
Article did not show the fare increase n atrocious behaviour of most contracted bus drivers, maybe writer was not there long enough...
Not a very fair article
Originally posted by Acx1688:Today's Section D ST has a 2 page write out on Tfl bus contract model...
Writer sponsored trip by LTA
Article did not show the fare increase n atrocious behaviour of most contracted bus drivers, maybe writer was not there long enough...
Not a very fair article
It's the national-building media we are talking about...trying their best at selling their policies and showing only the positives at us.
Originally posted by sgbuses:It's the national-building media we are talking about...trying their best at selling their policies and showing only the positives at us.
Wat i can confirm is bus fares will increase yoy,higher than present,no doubt abt it
Strange LTA din follow HK franchise model
Personally I think its time to change the system anyway. It is a system that needs it. The question then is: how?
Do you honestly think LTA is unaware of this and that? Do you think the "computer data" cannot pick up problems?
Do you think LTA personnel are non-humans who take any form of transport? It has come to my knowledge that a number of the big bosses do not have cars, nor helicopters or submarines. How then do you think they travel to work?
Do you know why LTA gives standard answers or point you to the PTOs for this and that? Because LTA CANNOT interfere too much with PTO operations, unless they breach QoS, which can NEVER be exhaustive to the point where service is good ALL DAY, ALL THE TIME.
So their response was to absorb assets, revenue: to dictate frequencies and twist the incentive framework to get operators to cooperate.
Originally posted by Acx1688:Wat i can confirm is bus fares will increase yoy,higher than present,no doubt abt it
Strange LTA din follow HK franchise model
Well, I think bus fares will be lowered instead. Because when LTA takes over the depots, buses, interchanges & terminals, it will have more sources to cover operating costs. For instance, it can lease wall, floor & bus spaces for people to paste advertisements, & create commercial spaces for people to rent & do business, to collect advertising fees & rental, to help cover operating costs.
Originally posted by Acx1688:Wat i can confirm is bus fares will increase yoy,higher than present,no doubt abt it
Strange LTA din follow HK franchise model
Yes, the bus fares will increase, but I think only in short term (within the first five years), because LTA has to pay SBS Transit & SMRT for buses, depots, interchanges & terminals, and apply a common LTA livery & design on them thereafter. LTA will incur a higher amount of costs, thus it is inevitable that bus fares has to increase during this transition period, otherwise it is our tax that will increase.
Originally posted by Pervertedboy:Well, I think bus fares will be lowered instead. Because when LTA takes over the depots, buses, interchanges & terminals, it will have more sources to cover operating costs. For instance, it can lease wall, floor & bus spaces for people to paste advertisements, & create commercial spaces for people to rent & do business, to collect advertising fees & rental, to help cover operating costs.
Cost-plus model perhaps.
Which way will fares go?
Answer: Both are equally likely.
Originally posted by SBS2601D:Personally I think its time to change the system anyway. It is a system that needs it. The question then is: how?
Do you honestly think LTA is unaware of this and that? Do you think the "computer data" cannot pick up problems?
Do you think LTA personnel are non-humans who take any form of transport? It has come to my knowledge that a number of the big bosses do not have cars, nor helicopters or submarines. How then do you think they travel to work?
Do you know why LTA gives standard answers or point you to the PTOs for this and that? Because LTA CANNOT interfere too much with PTO operations, unless they breach QoS, which can NEVER be exhaustive to the point where service is good ALL DAY, ALL THE TIME.
So their response was to absorb assets, revenue: to dictate frequencies and twist the incentive framework to get operators to cooperate.
In addition, before anyone can work in LTA, they must have attained some kind of mastery and qualifications in Human Geography (in particular, in transportation)(on travelling patterns, trends, etc.), Management (on how to allocate resources effectively and obtain the best value from the resources deployed), Mathematics/Accountancy (on how to set transport fares, etc.), etc.
Prior to joining LTA & when they are in LTA, they study case studies, research, reports, etc. from all around the world. They should know the benefits and consequences of various measures and using the knowledge they have, apply the measures in Singapore that would solve the problems and improve the conditions in the transportation here.
I am confident they know what is best for Singapore.
Well, we have to understand that many things do not happen overnight. It takes time to review, plan and execute measures. I am sure LTA attends to every feedback that we make, but it takes time for them to read everything.
Sometimes, when you feedback something to them, maybe they are already working on it, but they cannot tell you anything, because things are still in planning stages and nothing is confirmed. So they just give you a vague respond.
Well, I think the issue here is only about how LTA responds to our emails, nothing else. If LTA improves on its Customer Relations, I think everyone will be happy already.
Originally posted by SBS2601D:Personally I think its time to change the system anyway. It is a system that needs it. The question then is: how?
Do you honestly think LTA is unaware of this and that? Do you think the "computer data" cannot pick up problems?
Do you think LTA personnel are non-humans who take any form of transport? It has come to my knowledge that a number of the big bosses do not have cars, nor helicopters or submarines. How then do you think they travel to work?
Do you know why LTA gives standard answers or point you to the PTOs for this and that? Because LTA CANNOT interfere too much with PTO operations, unless they breach QoS, which can NEVER be exhaustive to the point where service is good ALL DAY, ALL THE TIME.
So their response was to absorb assets, revenue: to dictate frequencies and twist the incentive framework to get operators to cooperate.
And the PTOs usually refuse to budge, unless they know what avenues actually attract the attention of PTOs to fix the problems (of which, one of them is through the media).
Unfortunately, to my knowledge it is the bus lobbyists who know these avenues and have been using them very often to fuel their self-interested motivations.
Originally posted by Pervertedboy:Well, I think bus fares will be lowered instead. Because when LTA takes over the depots, buses, interchanges & terminals, it will have more sources to cover operating costs. For instance, it can lease wall, floor & bus spaces for people to paste advertisements, & create commercial spaces for people to rent & do business, to collect advertising fees & rental, to help cover operating costs.
I do not think fares will go down. LTA is already facing a shortfall of fare revenue to cover the costs of operation. Also, many in Singapore are captive commuters to public transportation (i.e. they do not have a viable alternative form of transport).
Many state and city governments around the world, especially conservative ones, do not like to use their coffers to subsidise commuters; they rather raise fares. The only notable exception I am aware of is China.
Originally posted by SBS2601D:Personally I think its time to change the system anyway. It is a system that needs it. The question then is: how?
Do you honestly think LTA is unaware of this and that? Do you think the "computer data" cannot pick up problems?
Do you think LTA personnel are non-humans who take any form of transport? It has come to my knowledge that a number of the big bosses do not have cars, nor helicopters or submarines. How then do you think they travel to work?
Do you know why LTA gives standard answers or point you to the PTOs for this and that? Because LTA CANNOT interfere too much with PTO operations, unless they breach QoS, which can NEVER be exhaustive to the point where service is good ALL DAY, ALL THE TIME.
So their response was to absorb assets, revenue: to dictate frequencies and twist the incentive framework to get operators to cooperate.
I do agree it is time to change the system, how it goes and whether LTA will reveal all the criteria like Tfl on their website remains to be seen...
eg 190 the bugbear of BPJ/CCk residents still has some problems after 972 is introduced...
It is not to pinpoint LTA but if it has taken over bus planning from PTOs, why is there still grouse over 190 and the blatant pumping in of buses for 966(half r running near empty on wkdays on return to WDL), everyone welcome to discuss
For the incentive part, it will be chaos coz BCs/SLs will just skip stops and drive recklessly like Metroline 390, i was stranded many a time and squashed while alighting before just because of time scheduling... This is personal experience
Originally posted by sgbuses:I do not think fares will go down. LTA is already facing a shortfall of fare revenue to cover the costs of operation. Also, many in Singapore are captive commuters to public transportation (i.e. they do not have a viable alternative form of transport).
Many state and city governments around the world, especially conservative ones, do not like to use their coffers to subsidise commuters; they rather raise fares. The only notable exception I am aware of is China.
So Singapore might see a fare increase?
Originally posted by Acx1688:I do agree it is time to change the system, how it goes and whether LTA will reveal all the criteria like Tfl on their website remains to be seen...
eg 190 the bugbear of BPJ/CCk residents still has some problems after 972 is introduced...
It is not to pinpoint LTA but if it has taken over bus planning from PTOs, why is there still grouse over 190 and the blatant pumping in of buses for 966(half r running near empty on wkdays on return to WDL), everyone welcome to discuss
For the incentive part, it will be chaos coz BCs/SLs will just skip stops and drive recklessly like Metroline 390, i was stranded many a time and squashed while alighting before just because of time scheduling... This is personal experience
190 needs the bendies converted to DDs.