Government contracting model for public bus industry
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
For the incentive part, it will be chaos coz BCs/SLs will just skip stops and drive recklessly like Metroline 390, i was stranded many a time and squashed while alighting before just because of time scheduling... This is personal experienceI have similar personal experiences in Perth as well.
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Anyone who takes 960 can attest to how rotten the system can get.
Just another example of how skewed the resources have gone...
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
And the PTOs usually refuse to budge, unless they know what avenues actually attract the attention of PTOs to fix the problems (of which, one of them is through the media).
Unfortunately, to my knowledge it is the bus lobbyists who know these avenues and have been using them very often to fuel their self-interested motivations.
Interesting.
Bus-fans are evil?
*looks around*
//Nods nods//
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Anyone who takes 960 can attest to how rotten the system can get.
Just another example of how skewed the resources have gone...
Dun understand... if u mean the deployments of more rigids n bendys got taken out, i get ur point...
TIB1234T is regular user...
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Dun understand... if u mean the deployments of more rigids n bendys got taken out, i get ur point...
TIB1234T is regular user...
There have been so many complaints about 960. Perhaps busanalyser's LTA friend can advisebetter.
Yet it was 190 that got so much attention.
Mind you. I am not saying 190 wasnt bad. But SMRT's approach towards bus ops is in general reactive and haphazard. And 960 has been left to languish.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
There have been so many complaints about 960. Perhaps busanalyser's LTA friend can advisebetter.
Yet it was 190 that got so much attention.
Mind you. I am not saying 190 wasnt bad. But SMRT's approach towards bus ops is in general reactive and haphazard. And 960 has been left to languish.
Yup... but LTA mentality ve parallel 170...
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So why wait?
We take the plunge into govt contracting and we take what come may!
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Actually I find it somewhat acceptable for 960...
The frequency I've seen wasn't that bad. Managed to board the bus along Bugis and get some seats(for SD). Until the last stop before PIE, the bus still manage to pick up pax. But of cause every SD was packed to the door, bendy buses with some standing space...
There's also bendy bunch up in both morning and evening(around 6plus)
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Actually I find it somewhat acceptable for 960...
The frequency I've seen wasn't that bad. Managed to board the bus along Bugis and get some seats(for SD). Until the last stop before PIE, the bus still manage to pick up pax. But of cause every SD was packed to the door, bendy buses with some standing space...
There's also bendy bunch up in both morning and evening(around 6plus)
Not everytime it's smooth sailing, but it is possible to have 960A for example to terminate outside Little India Stn, then it can make a U-turn where svc.23 loops at, possible to start return trip to Wlands from there as an empty 960 bus...
If you are at Bt. Panjang heading to Junction 10, you can expect some terrible frequencies like 25-30 mins though sometimes the Time Arrival Board shows otherwise...
960A might help though...
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Originally posted by JurongWestresident:
Yes, the bus fares will increase, but I think only in short term (within the first five years), because LTA has to pay SBS Transit & SMRT for buses, depots, interchanges & terminals, and apply a common LTA livery & design on them thereafter. LTA will incur a higher amount of costs, thus it is inevitable that bus fares has to increase during this transition period, otherwise it is our tax that will increase.
so after 5 years no need to pay for new buses? and dun forget that LTA wan to improve the frequency further, that mean more buses and more drivers and thus more empty return trips.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
There have been so many complaints about 960. Perhaps busanalyser's LTA friend can advisebetter.
Yet it was 190 that got so much attention.
Mind you. I am not saying 190 wasnt bad. But SMRT's approach towards bus ops is in general reactive and haphazard. And 960 has been left to languish.
960 is managed pretty well. There are many other services under SMRT belt that need severe improvement, of course one of them is 190... there is also 169/854/857.
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
Not everytime it's smooth sailing, but it is possible to have 960A for example to terminate outside Little India Stn, then it can make a U-turn where svc.23 loops at, possible to start return trip to Wlands from there as an empty 960 bus...
If you are at Bt. Panjang heading to Junction 10, you can expect some terrible frequencies like 25-30 mins though sometimes the Time Arrival Board shows otherwise...
960A might help though...
As a matter of fact many SMRT services need more high capacity bus additions that they havent got in the last few years. With getting more high capacity buses now, hopefully the issue will be resolved. -
Also I am okay with 960A only if it is fleet add and not at the expense of taking buses away from 960 as there is huge demand between Bugis and Little India for 960.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Also I am okay with 960A only if it is fleet add and not at the expense of taking buses away from 960 as there is huge demand between Bugis and Little India for 960.
Since 960A is very much to cater for the workers, its best to be operating on:
Weekday Evening Peak Hr
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
so after 5 years no need to pay for new buses? and dun forget that LTA wan to improve the frequency further, that mean more buses and more drivers and thus more empty return trips.
sorry. what i meant was that in this 5 years (2016-2021), LTA will incur an expense that is larger than usual because besides buying new buses and other assets and incurring other new expenses, it has to buy over the existing assets from SBS Transit and SMRT.
beyond 2021, LTA will be the one buying & replacing the assets. it has to pay for new assets, except the expenses will not be as large as during the initial 5 years.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
960 is managed pretty well. There are many other services under SMRT belt that need severe improvement, of course one of them is 190... there is also 169/854/857.
Well.
I avoid 960.
As 1234 has pointed out, the frequency is erratic and the buses are frankly speaking, not up for the job half the time.
And I would guess your friend in LTA isn't involved so much in bus ops.
I might be wrong.
But.....
.....I might be right.
You can say 960 isnt as bad as I make it out to be.
But to say 960 is well managed is er......breath-taking.
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This morning see one MAN sv 972 downroute from Steven Road pick up passengers towards Orchard Rd. As 95% of the crowds comes from Bt Panjang, is it a wise move? Practically one or two passengers board this bus at Stevens Road. Something very wrong with the SMRT management honestly.
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
Not everytime it's smooth sailing, but it is possible to have 960A for example to terminate outside Little India Stn, then it can make a U-turn where svc.23 loops at, possible to start return trip to Wlands from there as an empty 960 bus...
If you are at Bt. Panjang heading to Junction 10, you can expect some terrible frequencies like 25-30 mins though sometimes the Time Arrival Board shows otherwise...
960A might help though...
Perhaps 960A should start from BPJ? Because if u loop at Little India, the frequency is going to be about the same.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Well.
I avoid 960.
As 1234 has pointed out, the frequency is erratic and the buses are frankly speaking, not up for the job half the time.
And I would guess your friend in LTA isn't involved so much in bus ops.
I might be wrong.
But.....
.....I might be right.
You can say 960 isnt as bad as I make it out to be.
But to say 960 is well managed is er......breath-taking.
On your point, svc.960 is still alright for maybe 70-75% of its frequencies since it has 2 BSEPs... The rest of % is just playing with your time... If it happens to BSRF next time round, it'll probably be like 50-50 pass and fail...
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Perhaps 960A should start from BPJ? Because if u loop at Little India, the frequency is going to be about the same.
I would prefer 960A to start from either Kranji Stn busstop or Sheng Siong busstop, just after Mandai Rd/Wlands Rd traffic junction... Since 960A can get their buses straightaway from WLDEP/WRI/KJDEP... though KJDEP is the nearest to the starting point...
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
I would prefer 960A to start from either Kranji Stn busstop or Sheng Siong busstop, just after Mandai Rd/Wlands Rd traffic junction... Since 960A can get their buses straightaway from WLDEP/WRI/KJDEP... though KJDEP is the nearest to the starting point...
For Woodlands Road, if 960 does not come, 160/170/961/178 does not help? All parallel to industrial estate to Kranji and Ten Mile...Unless it is the issue to go to Bukit Panjang... but then there are not many travelers to the residential hub in AM right.. it would be more PM from Woodlands road to BPJ if that's what you are referring to.
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960 from last time tio big complains..960A should help in a way.
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Originally posted by phillipC:
This morning see one MAN sv 972 downroute from Steven Road pick up passengers towards Orchard Rd. As 95% of the crowds comes from Bt Panjang, is it a wise move? Practically one or two passengers board this bus at Stevens Road. Something very wrong with the SMRT management honestly.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
For Woodlands Road, if 960 does not come, 160/170/961/178 does not help? All parallel to industrial estate to Kranji and Ten Mile...Unless it is the issue to go to Bukit Panjang... but then there are not many travelers to the residential hub in AM right.. it would be more PM from Woodlands road to BPJ if that's what you are referring to.
960A is actually more for helping the workers going towards Little India and near city areas, so parallel is alright since the timings i have posted were this few posts above:
Weekday Evening Peak Hr
Weekends/Pub. HolidaysPeople have been complaining about the squeezing problem the workers always doesn't listen... It would more or less help to sort out the load with better frequencies...
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
960A is actually more for helping the workers going towards Little India and near city areas, so parallel is alright since the timings i have posted were this few posts above:
Weekday Evening Peak Hr
Weekends/Pub. HolidaysPeople have been complaining about the squeezing problem the workers always doesn't listen... It would more or less help to sort out the load with better frequencies...
Yes workers dun listen, i took sv15 aft 9pm Eunos Int, rear of bus is almost empty, i asked them to move in, give me blank look, 2 person move, BC stood up and ask them to move in but no one budge, luckily not many passengers board, workers alight kaki bukit