Originally posted by iveco:
Arriva? Is it a UK company? They have buses in London and Liverpool AFAIK.
Originally posted by iveco:
Hmm, I wonder if there has been any service improvement after the change of operators in Marmion, Wanneroo and Kalamunda. Anyway, my 2c worth: Fremantle & Rockingham to remain with Transdev, Path Transit hold Morley and take back Wanneroo, Swan Transit to get back Kalamunda and retain Midland, Canning and Southern River. Claremont and Marmion better off going to a 4th operator, perferable ComfortDelgro.
Adams did previously bid and would be the 4th operator had they succeeded (unfortunately, they did not).
One of the more recent Transperth bus contracts included a clause on patronage, which I think LTA should consider including.
PTA would pay out an extra fixed amount per passenger (probably a few cents) the operator has transported on their buses in every trip.
In a way, this discourages drivers from skipping bus stops (especially for Circle Route and 950 where there is more than one operator).
Originally posted by SBS3004X:When bus services are taken by government, I am sure if service 27 drivers continue this attitude, they will be punished. At Hougang Interchange, I saw a service 27 bus SBS8721B departing. Just a minute later, another service 27 bus (SBS6727Z) departing, when it is supposed to depart 5 minutes later. This caused the two buses to bunch up at Sengkang East Avenue towards Changi Airport, less than 2 kilometres into the route. I guess the 2 buses travelled together most of the route. What kind of attitude is this?
eh smetimes bus ret from CGA lambat, RM ask BC get a bit more rest before departing... wic is y bunching sometimes occurs at interchange, esp for routes with very high freq, it is more obvious...
ComfortDelgro Metroline is the 3rd operator...
well, there is a possibility that the one or a few new operators will come from neighbouring countries, such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar, Vietnam, Hong Kong, China, etc.
benefits of having new operators from neighbouring countries:
Originally posted by SBS3004X:I think I must get more bus fans to Hougang to check.
Let me see... I might explore there next (after Choa Chu Kang now).
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Originally posted by Acx1688:eh smetimes bus ret from CGA lambat, RM ask BC get a bit more rest before departing... wic is y bunching sometimes occurs at interchange, esp for routes with very high freq, it is more obvious...
Is it possible to increase frequency of a bus service while not shortening the driver's break between departures?
Originally posted by SBS3004X:Is it possible to increase frequency of a bus service while not shortening the driver's break between departures?
Yes just add bus
I prefer Europe or Australia company as the third operator,Diff style diff management..even Airport is doin now..SATS and Dnata no longer the duopoly..with ASIG starting operation backed by CAG..
Originally posted by carbikebus:I prefer Europe or Australia company as the third operator,Diff style diff management..even Airport is doin now..SATS and Dnata no longer the duopoly..with ASIG starting operation backed by CAG..
Changi Airport used to have Swissport... until they left due to the small market size.
swissport flops mainly to immature plannings and lack of finance..but ASIG is a different ball game..not only they provide ground handlings but also aircraft refuel,aircraft washing and also engineerings which Swissport lacks in Singapore.
Originally posted by carbikebus:swissport flops mainly to immature plannings and lack of finance..but ASIG is a different ball game..not only they provide ground handlings but also aircraft refuel,aircraft washing and also engineerings which Swissport lacks in Singapore.
ASIG don't own any aircraft hangers in Changi, so how do they do "engineerings" [sic]?
And aircraft refueling and washing are just part of normal ground handling activities.
The point i'm trying to bring across is that it does not mean European/Australian companies will run operations better in our local context. Swissport is by far the largest ground handling company with operations at over 260 airports worldwide, yet they managed to leave SG with a 50 mil loss in 4 years.
What matters is how familar a company is with the type of operations performed (be it ground handling or bus service, or even taxi services) and how closely it relates to the needs in SG.
How many bus companies in the world are familar with operating bus routes with over 30 bus stops, and each within 400m, within such a densely built city, and with such high passenger turnover within 1 trip? Almost none I would say (apart from maybe Taiwan), even KMB dont have stops that close together and few routes in hk have so many stops!
Originally posted by Bus Stopping:ASIG don't own any aircraft hangers in Changi, so how do they do "engineerings" [sic]?
And aircraft refueling and washing are just part of normal ground handling activities.
The point i'm trying to bring across is that it does not mean European/Australian companies will run operations better in our local context. Swissport is by far the largest ground handling company with operations at over 260 airports worldwide, yet they managed to leave SG with a 50 mil loss in 4 years.
What matters is how familar a company is with the type of operations performed (be it ground handling or bus service, or even taxi services) and how closely it relates to the needs in SG.
How many bus companies in the world are familar with operating bus routes with over 30 bus stops, and each within 400m, within such a densely built city, and with such high passenger turnover within 1 trip? Almost none I would say (apart from maybe Taiwan), even KMB dont have stops that close together and few routes in hk have so many stops!
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/sbs-transit-to-add-665/1225670.html
415 more Volvo B9TL (Wright) buses and 250 more Mercedes-Benz Citaro buses. This trend of standardization is set to continue.
Originally posted by sgbuses:http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/sbs-transit-to-add-665/1225670.html
415 more Volvo B9TL (Wright) buses and 250 more Mercedes-Benz Citaro buses. This trend of standardization is set to continue.
Among the new buses, 296 will be funded by the government. By the time all these buses are here, it would be year 2017 and the contracts model would have already started.
I guess the 296 of them will come directly with LTA livery and straightaway be taken over and used by LTA on the first few bus contracts packages.
Likewise for the 218 new buses from SMRT which are funded by the government (http://www.mynewsdesk.com/sg/smrt/pressreleases/smrt-buses-enhances-strategy-for-fleet-growth-and-renewal-double-deckers-among-confirmed-delivery-of-over-570-buses-979666).
At least 514 new buses that come in by 2017 would most probably be the first to straightaway be used by LTA and be in the new LTA livery.
Could be because of bus contracting model that's why now even SBS is buying buses without modifications.
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Among the new buses, 296 will be funded by the government. By the time all these buses are here, it would be year 2017 and the contracts model would have already started.
I guess the 296 of them will come directly with LTA livery and straightaway be taken over and used by LTA on the first few bus contracts packages.
Likewise for the 218 new buses from SMRT which are funded by the government (http://www.mynewsdesk.com/sg/smrt/pressreleases/smrt-buses-enhances-strategy-for-fleet-growth-and-renewal-double-deckers-among-confirmed-delivery-of-over-570-buses-979666).
At least 514 new buses that come in by 2017 would most probably be the first to straightaway be used by LTA and be in the new LTA livery.
Could be because of bus contracting model that's why now even SBS is buying buses without modifications.
Originally posted by Bus Stopping:ASIG don't own any aircraft hangers in Changi, so how do they do "engineerings" [sic]?
And aircraft refueling and washing are just part of normal ground handling activities.
The point i'm trying to bring across is that it does not mean European/Australian companies will run operations better in our local context. Swissport is by far the largest ground handling company with operations at over 260 airports worldwide, yet they managed to leave SG with a 50 mil loss in 4 years.
What matters is how familar a company is with the type of operations performed (be it ground handling or bus service, or even taxi services) and how closely it relates to the needs in SG.
How many bus companies in the world are familar with operating bus routes with over 30 bus stops, and each within 400m, within such a densely built city, and with such high passenger turnover within 1 trip? Almost none I would say (apart from maybe Taiwan), even KMB dont have stops that close together and few routes in hk have so many stops!
Originally posted by carbikebus:
Sats also dont own any aircraft hangers but they got this Sats engineering also under tech ramp..Confuse..Dnata Sg also use the title engineering..Might want to knock some cow sense into them?
OT:
Dnata is known worldwide, it also works with Dubai International Airport...
Originally posted by iveco:
What about Arriva or Transdev?
Arriva could be a possible competitor for the routes, considering they have operations all around the world especially across most of europe. Their most similar operations would be with Arriva London. However, i am still not very confident with their overseas contracts, especially after their recent withdrawl from Malta (and the vehicles they bought for the contract).
Don't have any experience with Transdev buses, so i cant comment on this.
The unfortunate thing is many european companies have previously withdrawn/divested their bus operations in east asia (e.g. First from NWFB, Stagecoach from Citybus, Veolia/RATP from Reolian), and I am uncertain if they will bring about success here.
Does anyone know if any bus operations in east asia is still being operated/jointly operated by european bus co?
Originally posted by TIB1234T:OT:
Dnata is known worldwide, it also works with Dubai International Airport...
The average cost of each bus the government is prepared to buy works out to be $350,000 to $500,000. Given the recent purchases by the two operators including BSEP, the bus models are likely to be limited to:
and their successor models after 2017 which are not expected to deviate significantly from the current fleet above.
The other two possible models are: