Hmm...
How about making 18 a loop svc from Bedok?
Saves road space in Tampines, frees up slot for 4 to terminate too (20 terminating at CBP soon so yeah).
Anyways all my life at Tampines (in the past as a resident and currently as a frequent passerby) I have never seen 18 exceed 15-20 pax in Tampines
Originally posted by SMB128B:Hmm...
How about making 18 a loop svc from Bedok?
Saves road space in Tampines, frees up slot for 4 to terminate too (20 terminating at CBP soon so yeah).
Anyways all my life at Tampines (in the past as a resident and currently as a frequent passerby) I have never seen 18 exceed 15-20 pax in Tampines
Bro, bedok new interchange nit onli space, some servuces would be moving...
Originally posted by Acx1688:Bro, bedok new interchange nit onli space, some servuces would be moving...
As usual lor...
All the svcs throw here throw there...
I foresee more and more delays in bus services...
My opinion is. if you remove sv18 route, you would have to add buses on sv 8/28. So it turns out to be the same.
Many ppl board sv 8,18,59 from Tamp Ave 2 (Blk 302) to Safra bus stop for other bus connections.
Sv 18 might not have high loading end to end during off peak hours, but during Peak hours there's always standing load.
AM peak ( Tamp Ave 2 -> Safra), (Tamp Ave 7 -> Tamp Int), evening peak the other way around.
Originally posted by vodafone27:My opinion is. if you remove sv18 route, you would have to add buses on sv 8/28. So it turns out to be the same.
Many ppl board sv 8,18,59 from Tamp Ave 2 (Blk 302) to Safra bus stop for other bus connections.
Sv 18 might not have high loading end to end during off peak hours, but during Peak hours there's always standing load.
AM peak ( Tamp Ave 2 -> Safra), (Tamp Ave 7 -> Tamp Int), evening peak the other way around.
No one is saying to remove sv 18 but re-route it to become more useful. You have many alternatives from Blk 302 to SAFRA. You have sv 8/59 with majority DD fleet coming at under 10 minute interval in peak hours. If sv 18 goes st 21 or ave 9, it will still ply this stretch.
To Tamp Int from Tamp Ave 7 you have so many services - residents here are totally pampered. You have 4, 8, 18, 19, 37, 38, 81 direct to interchange + 21 to Tampines MRT as well. If sv 18 does not ply ave 7, will it really matter? Answer is NO.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Then do propose rather than only telling x person and y person that this is not possible and so on... as if you are LTA spokesperson here... or MOT spokesperson... and then u don't want people to tell u that... look at how you write to others, and then you will know why you get this kind of response from so many users here.
Hi mr BusAnalyser, once again please mind your words. I am not spokesperson from LTA or MOT. I do not get a cent from them. Please wake up your idea. How many times must I say? When can this get into your mind? If you want to reply to me, please get your thinking cap on. Supply us with your knowledge instead of all the nonsense accusations earlier on. We are all fellow forumnites on this bus forum. I urge you to show some respect for people. When a person tells you not to link him to LTA and has countless times told you, please respect the person ok? This is basic adult responsibility. Once again, if you continue to do so, shame on you man, mr BusAnalyser!
I always write to others without provoking people. Most of my mails from the time I come here always have the words 'cheers'. My tone is always very mild to others. Even if you provoke me, I also take it mildly at first. I am afraid I only get this kind of response from you only as seen here. There is no other person. Do not anyhow link when you are the person at fault obviously. Cheers
18 also serve a purpose and not just duplicate some service..Although i seldom see full loadings but there is passengers also...So the fleets is fine with Citaros
BusAnal,Tampines is top 3 in Singapore with high number of populations here..Sooner or later 18 will shift into Tampines North i hope
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr BusAnalyser, once again please mind your words. I am not spokesperson from LTA or MOT. I do not get a cent from them. Please wake up your idea. How many times must I say? When can this get into your mind? If you want to reply to me, please get your thinking cap on. Supply us with your knowledge instead of all the nonsense accusations earlier on. We are all fellow forumnites on this bus forum. I urge you to show some respect for people. When a person tells you not to link him to LTA and has countless times told you, please respect the person ok? This is basic adult responsibility. Once again, if you continue to do so, shame on you man, mr BusAnalyser!
I always write to others without provoking people. Most of my mails from the time I come here always have the words 'cheers'. My tone is always very mild to others. Even if you provoke me, I also take it mildly at first. I am afraid I only get this kind of response from you only as seen here. There is no other person. Do not anyhow link when you are the person at fault obviously. Cheers
Shucks man!! You need to read my note to you properly. I am telling you that you need to watch the way you speak to others, by telling each person, x is not possible and y is not possible supporting every move of LTA. If you do that, people will call you names and associate you with LTA/MOT. Wake up!! It is NOT ME who identified you from LTA/MOT first. There have been many others here, who have done that, and for a good reason. So instead of giving me a lecture, you go figure out, why you get flamed everytime.
Cheers!!
Originally posted by carbikebus:BusAnal,Tampines is top 3 in Singapore with high number of populations here..Sooner or later 18 will shift into Tampines North i hope
Absolutely. That's why it has so many services.
By the way where is Tampines North. I still don't see it in the development plans - the area does not seemed to be carved out yet. I suppose it must be the area between Tampines Ave 9 and TPE.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Absolutely. That's why it has so many services.By the way where is Tampines North. I still don't see it in the development plans - the area does not seemed to be carved out yet. I suppose it must be the area between Tampines Ave 9 and TPE.
yes correct.. now already do land clearing.....
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Shucks man!! You need to read my note to you properly. I am telling you that you need to watch the way you speak to others, by telling each person, x is not possible and y is not possible supporting every move of LTA. If you do that, people will call you names and associate you with LTA/MOT. Wake up!! It is NOT ME who identified you from LTA/MOT first. There have been many others here, who have done that, and for a good reason. So instead of giving me a lecture, you go figure out, why you get flamed everytime.
Cheers!!
Hi mr BusAnalyser, one final time. I am not from LTA/MOT. Please respect people when people tell you this. My opinion is purely my opinion. I don't support LTA in any way. You do not have any right to lord over the way that people want to respond in any manner. There is no need for you to be nanny to other people emails manners. I am not rude in any sense in my emails. This is my form of assertiveness. Sbst191 replied back to my emails to and fro. Nothing wrong with it until you step in and accuse people of double-standard with poor reasons. For me, I never go offend people or antagonize others until people do it first to me. Please do not link LTA to me irregardless of whether you are the first person or what. Thank you very much. Cheers.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:The whole stretch of Haig road does not have old people? Not a single service plying this road while Tanjong Katong gets all the services. Can't one of the service between 43/76/135 be routed via Haig road. Is it going to really inconvenience or provide a major relief to Haig road residents? Let me answer. Your response will be launch a new service. Is funds endless when the job can be done by simply re-routing one of the services?
I agree with re-routing a bus service, especially if there are insufficient buses/drivers. The supply of bus drivers is not infinite.
Here are some factorsabout recruitment of bus drivers:
1: The driver may not be suitable for the job and may leave.
2: The driver may not be comfortable with the long working hours and may leave.
It would take more drivers to introduce a new service than to re-route an existing service, so which is more feasible?
Noticed a Svc 18 KUB that looks full (around 50 pax++) at Opp Safra, Tamp bound yesterday. IMO, 18 is doing normally, else it would have been withdrawn long time ago.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Absolutely. That's why it has so many services.By the way where is Tampines North. I still don't see it in the development plans - the area does not seemed to be carved out yet. I suppose it must be the area between Tampines Ave 9 and TPE.
Originally posted by SBS3004X:I agree with re-routing a bus service, especially if there are insufficient buses/drivers. The supply of bus drivers is not infinite.
Here are some factorsabout recruitment of bus drivers:
1: The driver may not be suitable for the job and may leave.
2: The driver may not be comfortable with the long working hours and may leave.
It would take more drivers to introduce a new service than to re-route an existing service, so which is more feasible?
Originally posted by iveco:
Future neighbourhood 6? Currently no blocks in TAM start with 6xx.
What does your post mean?
Originally posted by carbikebus:BusAnal if The top 3 private operators in Sg combined and became the third player controlling a few parts of Western,Few parts of Central and few parts of North area what do you think?
The buses that these operators have are horrible. There will be quite sometime until they understand operations and that could not be in interest of commuters. Also, these private operators are solely operating for profit, even more so than SBST/SMRT.
Pulling the infrastructure together, udpating their systems will take a long time. So just in the interest of having a third operator, we should not do it, unless there is significant advantage and interest from private operator to offer top quality. Otherwise SBS/SMRT are good for now.
Originally posted by carbikebus:What if LTA fund Scania DDs and SDs for them leh?
That is only the buses part right? How about other services:
- managing BCs, training, maintenance for a huge fleet of buses
- website
- monitoring bus arrival/scheduling times
- appropriate bus deployment
and many more... Hence, there needs to be a strong urge from the operator and a proper plan. Otherwise it will be like SMRT taking the operations from TIBS and providing not-so-good service even after getting many things from TIBS.
It is only now that SMRT operations are improving (still not at SBST standards). If you compare SMRT operations 5 years back, 2 years back and now, they have improved - but it has taken a long time and provided discomfort to many for long time in the process.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
The buses that these operators have are horrible. There will be quite sometime until they understand operations and that could not be in interest of commuters. Also, these private operators are solely operating for profit, even more so than SBST/SMRT.Pulling the infrastructure together, udpating their systems will take a long time. So just in the interest of having a third operator, we should not do it, unless there is significant advantage and interest from private operator to offer top quality. Otherwise SBS/SMRT are good for now.
The bus industry is smaller than you think. Some employees and ex-employees do move around and take their knowledge with them. I do not expect private operators to be completely clueless.
Furthermore, many of the existing systems would transition to Trapeze ITS when it is ready. Incumbents have to relearn the new system as well, so the footing is a little more equal at the initial stage. A few PPSS and CityDirect operators would have a rough idea of what they can expect from LTA and what to provide for LTA.
There are some remaining components which prospective operators are on their own, and hopefully LTA will base these components to judge the quality of their bids.