Government contracting model for public bus industry
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
true enough…Last time Gov say 2 PTOs is more than enough cause market is small but now with technologies,Rising populations and land expandition everything is possible..Now we roughly got the idea why suddenly SMRT wanna operate DDs.
And why new operators are coming in to operate those pathetic P services.
That's LTA for you.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
What if LTA fund Scania DDs and SDs for them leh?
Wah, you think LTA is Transperth huh? Anyway, SMRT inherited the whole Tibs management team, didn't they? -
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
The bus industry is smaller than you think. Some employees and ex-employees do move around and take their knowledge with them. I do not expect private operators to be completely clueless.
Furthermore, many of the existing systems would transition to Trapeze ITS when it is ready. Incumbents have to relearn the new system as well, so the footing is a little more equal at the initial stage. A few PPSS and CityDirect operators would have a rough idea of what they can expect from LTA and what to provide for LTA.
There are some remaining components which prospective operators are on their own, and hopefully LTA will base these components to judge the quality of their bids.
Oh? That's interesting to know that LTA would transition to Trapeze...
SBSTransit is currently using Hastus for their transit management solution from my understanding. Not too sure about SMRT.
I do however hope that LTA leaves enough room for operators to come up with innovative solutions for other systems, e.g. passenger information systems, travel time advisory, mobile tv, onboard wifi, etc. This at least allows for some differenciation to show interested each company are in this business.
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To make more interesting..operators should provide free wifi on their buses.I definately welcome TV Mobile back but with more channels like CNA and discoveries.
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Im quite confused here,LTA say it will contract out svc like 78,79,97,Clementi feeders and Bt Batok service to start from Bulim Depot,What if SBST wins them all?Shouldnt Bulim operated by SMRT buses?Then maintenance done by both companies or also contracts?Why not cojtract Jurong East first instead of all these?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
To make more interesting..operators should provide free wifi on their buses.I definately welcome TV Mobile back but with more channels like CNA and discoveries.
Why welcome back TV mobile ? 1. noisy. 2. More excuses to raise fares 3. ppl going back home aft a tired day of work if they are trying to catch a nap in the bus also cannot leh 4. Waste space
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Ok mah,Not all ppl will take a nap inside buses unless its long journey,HK buses the tv volume is acceptable..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Im quite confused here,LTA say it will contract out svc like 78,79,97,Clementi feeders and Bt Batok service to start from Bulim Depot,What if SBST wins them all?Shouldnt Bulim operated by SMRT buses?Then maintenance done by both companies or also contracts?Why not cojtract Jurong East first instead of all these?
Any news about LYBP? Same arrangement at BLDEP?
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If like that super messy liao,Imagine the third operator win some of the Pasir Ris svc,SMRT win a couple of Tampines Svc..wouldnt it be messy all parked at Lydep
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Bulim Depot is for SMRT, few MAN A22s from KJDEP went there for parking/road test recently...
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Post deleted, wrong topic.
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
Bulim Depot is for SMRT, few MAN A22s from KJDEP went there for parking/road test recently...
But why LTA announce that several SBST svc from Jurong East and Clementi that has been contracted to start from there? -
Beats me... lol...
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Dont tell me LTA wayang with the contract awarding?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Ok mah,Not all ppl will take a nap inside buses unless its long journey,HK buses the tv volume is acceptable..
HK TV for KMB, NWFB,CTB is soft...
Somtimes have picture no sound, TV mobile is loud, disruptive
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Originally posted by phillipC:
Dont tell me LTA wayang with the contract awarding?
Contract awarding is for show...
Let me highlight, if LTA is taking over all the buses, why then did SBST announce recently that it is procuring nrw WEG IIs CITAROs?
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SPH Media should consider being the next infotainment provider on buses w RazorTV...
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
Oh? That's interesting to know that LTA would transition to Trapeze...
SBSTransit is currently using Hastus for their transit management solution from my understanding. Not too sure about SMRT.
I do however hope that LTA leaves enough room for operators to come up with innovative solutions for other systems, e.g. passenger information systems, travel time advisory, mobile tv, onboard wifi, etc. This at least allows for some differenciation to show interested each company are in this business.
My last recollection was that SMRT Buses uses Hastus as well.
A case study from ACTION of Canberra utilising a Trapeze ITS solution suggests that many of your suggestion components should be fixed, including PIS and travel time advisory. Another similar case study would be the iBus in London, even if the fleet was owned by the operator.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
My last recollection was that SMRT Buses uses Hastus as well.
A case study from ACTION of Canberra utilising a Trapeze ITS solution suggests that many of your suggestion components should be fixed, including PIS and travel time advisory. Another similar case study would be the iBus in London, even if the fleet was owned by the operator.
In that case, it would be a fresh sheet of paper for both companies. Which should be good since the schedules will be reassessed.
Thanks for the link, I missed out on that when you previously posted it.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Contract awarding is for show...
Let me highlight, if LTA is taking over all the buses, why then did SBST announce recently that it is procuring nrw WEG IIs CITAROs?
if LTA takes over the bus procurement, probably would be open tender and prob we may see the cheaper mic buses flooding sg streets. and prob be the end of european buses era. The same thing will happen like those inferior branded lifts appearing in newer HDB flats as compared to those japanese lifts in older flats. the quality and durability is different. -
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
if LTA takes over the bus procurement, probably would be open tender and prob we may see the cheaper mic buses flooding sg streets. and prob be the end of european buses era. The same thing will happen like those inferior branded lifts appearing in newer HDB flats as compared to those japanese lifts in older flats. the quality and durability is different.actually, why don't LTA invest in a production line (factory) to manufacture buses and associated equipments (eg. EZ-link card reader) for our own public bus transport system? this can ensure quality.
alternatively, LTA can procure buses (and associated equipments) from our neighbours like Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Brunei, etc. Nearer to us could mean cheaper delivery, leading to lower costs, yet quality assured.
besides, it can also froster bi-lateral relationships, since we give them business. :)
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LTA already indirectly guarantee the 2 incumbents that 80% of the bus routes will still belong to them..Meaning others 20%(Most probably 10% of it is LTA bsep svc and low loadings svc will be awarded to the 3rd player)..Actually from here can see them playing already..and most probably only BSEP buses will change livery though im may be wrong. I knew that Cgbp and Wlbp will be on temporary basis till 2016..Maybe the tender won by the third player will get to use the bus parks and of course have to retrofitted with pump islands and bus washing machines..Heard info there will be a bus park along Woodleigh area..hmm
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- 2 new services based at Jurong East Interchange announced
- Winning operator will handle Bulim bus depot.
- Customer service handled by winning operator (this is bad, as explained in the next post).