i think in the coming years bus fare might not be cheap but LTA have ERP and COE to keep the fare down. you don't expect the bus fare to remain like now all the time. if the LTA and operators want more drivers they must up the salaries and cost of running a bus also be up unless LTA get cheaper bus like those make in china. that why this new bus company might pay higher salary to the drivers and both older companies might do the same way soon unless they want to lost drivers to the new company. also PTE transport company also start to pay high salary to retain their own drivers.
if LTA talk about every five years renew or review operators it is not a wise way of doing things unless the operators perform is very very poor or else it is not wise to change them every five years. as it will create a mess on operaton.
Originally posted by sgbuses:London faces the same problem. The solution?
They terminate their journey without warning and kick you off the bus. Oh, and you may have to pay your fare one more time.
So much talk of "best practices" from overseas to be introduced here - I can't wait to see what reaction this entails.
i tot SBST/SMRT also implement this previously, but gotten some complains and thus no longer doing it.. buses which are late, will switch EDS to off service after certain bus stop and then just continue to alight passengers but not allowing any paxs to board,
Originally posted by wsy1234:if LTA talk about every five years renew or review operators it is not a wise way of doing things unless the operators perform is very very poor or else it is not wise to change them every five years. as it will create a mess on operaton.
Have you even looked at the QoS performance figures? If you take away periodic compulsory retendering then there is no reasonable prospect of a change in the bus operator running in your area in your lifetime!
In fact I find 5 + 2 years to be too long. It should have been 3 + 2 years. The longer the contract period is, the more likely the operator will become complacent. The first train operating contract in Singapore was 30 years, and we all know what that outcome was. Stretch that longer and we will be back to square one but with much higher fares.
If there is no review by LTA after a set period, then you basically have no recourse if the operators decides to throw you off the bus for any reason whatsoever. Your only alternative is for you to quietly pay COE to LTA and drive to work. If you can't afford that, then you are what transport management textbooks describe as "captive audience" and can be taken with little or no regard.
why keep on changing a bus operator very 5 years? if the perform and service and bus drivers benefit and welfare is good? can another operator good for the same things? or those guys like you just look into the QoS and never even find out on ground how people feel? this is not the way should to be just because we have many scholars giving many view and review. do they actually taking the public transport or just make the fact out? i don't belive in this QoS things and why the changes, is base on people taking bus and drivers views not scholars views. as too many cooks spoil the soup.
Business strategy mah,No foreigners not many income will go in la bro..70% of the share still will goes to SBST & SBST..No worries..Its like showing to the world that Sg is open to foreign companies who wanna do business here also..
Originally posted by wsy1234:why keep on changing a bus operator very 5 years? if the perform and service and bus drivers benefit and welfare is good? can another operator good for the same things? or those guys like you just look into the QoS and never even find out on ground how people feel? this is not the way should to be just because we have many scholars giving many view and review. do they actually taking the public transport or just make the fact out? i don't belive in this QoS things and why the changes, is base on people taking bus and drivers views not scholars views. as too many cooks spoil the soup.
if the performance is not good, and you are stuck with the same operator for 20 years, u will then kpkb again..... frankly speaking, if i gotten a 20 years contract with a guarantee profit PER Year , i will just do the minimum to maintain the same standard every year. what for, i keep on trying to improve/better my own service standard everyyear, wasting time and efforts and in the 5th-10th year, i can no longer improve any more..
for example, year 1- you work on 15 min frequency, year, 2 - improve to 14 mins, year 3, improve to 13 min, year 4, improve to 12 min, so? by end of 10 year, are you really going to improve to frequency of 5 min ?
change of management or another company to operator also no use one.. Jam are still there.. traffic lights are still there.. cars are still on the road.. paxes are still not moving in...with more and more buses on the roads,more time are being wasted at waiting at bus stops/or waiting to enter the bus stops..
Originally posted by lemon1974:if the performance is not good, and you are stuck with the same operator for 20 years, u will then kpkb again..... frankly speaking, if i gotten a 20 years contract with a guarantee profit PER Year , i will just do the minimum to maintain the same standard every year. what for, i keep on trying to improve/better my own service standard everyyear, wasting time and efforts and in the 5th-10th year, i can no longer improve any more..
for example, year 1- you work on 15 min frequency, year, 2 - improve to 14 mins, year 3, improve to 13 min, year 4, improve to 12 min, so? by end of 10 year, are you really going to improve to frequency of 5 min ?
change of management or another company to operator also no use one.. Jam are still there.. traffic lights are still there.. cars are still on the road.. paxes are still not moving in...with more and more buses on the roads,more time are being wasted at waiting at bus stops/or waiting to enter the bus stops..
And that is what is happening in Perth (10 years per contract).
As previously mentioned, the way the authority pays the operator is also important. Otherwise bus drivers will be instructed by the operator to drive skip entire stretch of bus stops and kick passengers off the bus if they are running late in order to avoid penalties and loss of operating milage (especially if they are paid by operated milage). Such incidents are very common in UK and Australia.
Come across this article in Voice page of Today. Quite interesting, in army term is call LPPL.
Open All bus routes to competition
http://www.todayonline.com/voices/open-all-bus-routes-competition
The Government has introduced the bus contracting model, under which it will own and fund the bus infrastructure while contracting route services out via a competitive tender process.
It believes this will help raise service standards by increasing competition and creating more flexibility in response to changes in ridership and commuter needs.
Three packages, making up about 20 per cent of routes, will be tendered out first. The inaugural package of 26 routes went to London-based operator Tower Transit. This has been well received, generally (“Foreign bus operators will help push up standards”; May 14).
The irony is that the remaining 80 per cent will be grouped into nine packages and run by incumbents SBS Transit and SMRT on negotiated contracts under the contracting model for about five years, after their Bus Service Operating Licences expire next year.
Why the double standards? And if all remaining route parcels end up in the hands of the existing players, the exercise would be futile. If the incumbents could fulfil their roles satisfactorily, why is a new model needed?
It appears the Government wants competition but also sees the need to protect the existing operators. This will lead to the latter being complacent.
If it is believed that the competitive tender process will improve service standards, all bus routes should be opened up for tender. This would really shake up the current privatised model.
Also, all bus fares will go to the Government, which could thus make a possible profit or loss from the bus contracting. It will bear the burden of justifying any fare adjustments.
Accordingly, it should strive to maintain a break-even position as far as possible and adjust bus fares. Commuters would then benefit further from the new model.
Originally posted by sgbuses:And that is what is happening in Perth (10 years per contract).
As previously mentioned, the way the authority pays the operator is also important. Otherwise bus drivers will be instructed by the operator to drive skip entire stretch of bus stops and kick passengers off the bus if they are running late in order to avoid penalties and loss of operating milage (especially if they are paid by operated milage). Such incidents are very common in UK and Australia.
With Kalamunda the contract period became 8 years. Not sure about Midland and Morley that were tendered last year.
If CDGE (who already own Swan Taxi) were allowed to participate in future tenders I hope they get something. Rockingham, Southern River, Canning and Claremont, as well as the City CAT haven't been up for a fresh round of tendering, AFAIK.
Fare increase i dont really mind but for the first 1-3.2km reduce to $1 follow by $1.20 subsequently and capped at $3 for long journey
Originally posted by iveco:With Kalamunda the contract period became 8 years. Not sure about Midland and Morley that were tendered last year.
If CDGE (who already own Swan Taxi) were allowed to participate in future tenders I hope they get something. Rockingham, Southern River, Canning and Claremont, as well as the City CAT haven't been up for a fresh round of tendering, AFAIK.
Adams Coachlines tried to bid for one of the contracts. If there was a newcomer well-positioned to come in, it would probably be them. They didn't succeed.
Not sure if ComfortDelgro Cabcharge is interested in Transperth. Their taxis are doing a roaring business though.
Thinking about this, I am not optimistic at this stage that Singapore would go beyond a third operator. Think about Singapore's telecomms industry, HK's franchised bus industry (the third operator NWFB was also won by tendering in a similar fashion, and nothing much has changed since), as well as Perth and Adelaide public bus industry.
Originally posted by phillipC:Come across this article in Voice page of Today. Quite interesting, in army term is call LPPL.
Open All bus routes to competition
http://www.todayonline.com/voices/open-all-bus-routes-competition
The Government has introduced the bus contracting model, under which it will own and fund the bus infrastructure while contracting route services out via a competitive tender process.
It believes this will help raise service standards by increasing competition and creating more flexibility in response to changes in ridership and commuter needs.
<!-- inline -->
Three packages, making up about 20 per cent of routes, will be tendered out first. The inaugural package of 26 routes went to London-based operator Tower Transit. This has been well received, generally (“Foreign bus operators will help push up standards”; May 14).
The irony is that the remaining 80 per cent will be grouped into nine packages and run by incumbents SBS Transit and SMRT on negotiated contracts under the contracting model for about five years, after their Bus Service Operating Licences expire next year.
Why the double standards? And if all remaining route parcels end up in the hands of the existing players, the exercise would be futile. If the incumbents could fulfil their roles satisfactorily, why is a new model needed?
It appears the Government wants competition but also sees the need to protect the existing operators. This will lead to the latter being complacent.
If it is believed that the competitive tender process will improve service standards, all bus routes should be opened up for tender. This would really shake up the current privatised model.
Also, all bus fares will go to the Government, which could thus make a possible profit or loss from the bus contracting. It will bear the burden of justifying any fare adjustments.
Accordingly, it should strive to maintain a break-even position as far as possible and adjust bus fares. Commuters would then benefit further from the new model.
gov want to see the results first mah for the first 3 tenders... let them operate for 5 years first, before deciding to go ahead with tendering of all remaining packages or back to square one...
imagine, right now all 12 packages tender out and let say 6 operators got it （and SBST/SMRT does not get any or just get one), and after 5 years, all decide that it is not worth the effort to operate it.... and all pull out suddenly, so who will be coming in to take over? Singapore communters are alway complaining and whatever promise that these new operators made wont be so easily fulfilled, esp on buses arriving at bus stop at per timetable...
further, the bus fares are set to raise further... this writer will then come complain again.... LTA wll just show that the cost of contracts for one year is far far more than the revenue collected....thus need to raise fare...
Originally posted by carbikebus:Fare increase i dont really mind but for the first 1-3.2km reduce to $1 follow by $1.20 subsequently and capped at $3 for long journey
now increase 2 cents already ppl KPKB , if tell them minimum fare is $1?? what will happen?
Originally posted by lemon1974:now increase 2 cents already ppl KPKB , if tell them minimum fare is $1?? what will happen?
This is for cash fare bro..
I would rather let Tower Transit wins Bulim,Seletar and Changi.SMRT take 3 and the rest all goes to SBST.
Tower Transit:Jurong East,Bt Batok,Tengah & Clementi.Yishun & Yio Chu Kang.Bedok/Kembangan,Upp East Coast & Eunos
SMRT:Jurong East leftovers,Partial Clementi,Buona Vista,Ghim Moh & Kent Ridge.
Toa Payoh,St Michaels & Woodleigh.Woodlands,Woodlands North & Sembawang.
SBST:Tuas,Jurong Island,Joo Koon & Boon Lay.Choa Chu Kang & Bt Panjang.
Bt Merah,Harbourfront,Marina South/CBD.Ang Mo Kio & Bishan.Serangoon Ctrl,Hougang,Buangkok & Sengkang.Punggol,Pasir Ris,Changi Village & Changi Airport.Changi Business Park,Tampines & Tampines North.
Looking at the LTA trend of building depot near expressway and beside canal/deserted areas which other location that do you guys think the future depots will be?I know Dairy Farm,Labrador Rd,Woodleigh,Tampines Ind Park is one best locations
Heard from a friend that Clementi package(96 & feeders) is just a temporary measure till Ulu Pandan depot is completed.To compensate Svc like 51,52,506 and a new JE svc will be exchange for Bulim package..Maybe Bulim will get Tengah new town too in 2019..
Originally posted by carbikebus:Heard from a friend that Clementi package(96 & feeders) is just a temporary measure till Ulu Pandan depot is completed.To compensate Svc like 51,52,506 and a new JE svc will be exchange for Bulim package..Maybe Bulim will get Tengah new town too in 2019..
Don't tell me Tower likely to get Ulu Pandan too?
Anyway, here is something for CCK folks to think about: http://www.lowkayhwa.com/5-reasons-why-living-in-choa-chu-kang-sucks/
Originally posted by iveco:Don't tell me Tower likely to get Ulu Pandan too?
Anyway, here is something for CCK folks to think about: http://www.lowkayhwa.com/5-reasons-why-living-in-choa-chu-kang-sucks/
personally, I feel that Choa Chu Kang is the same as Jurong West. CCK East is like Gek Poh/Nanyang. CCK West is like Pioneer. Yew Tee is like Pioneer.
travelling time at CCK is the same as travelling time at JW and at Bedok. to the city. JW also next to cemetery. JW also next to industrial areas. JW also don't really have any "famous" eateries. Whereas for entertainment, CCK also have what.
Originally posted by iveco:Don't tell me Tower likely to get Ulu Pandan too?
Anyway, here is something for CCK folks to think about: http://www.lowkayhwa.com/5-reasons-why-living-in-choa-chu-kang-sucks/
Regarding Point #5, Bishan New Town was built directly over Peck San Teng and the residents there have their fair share of ghost stories.
Originally posted by iveco:Don't tell me Tower likely to get Ulu Pandan too?
Anyway, here is something for CCK folks to think about: http://www.lowkayhwa.com/5-reasons-why-living-in-choa-chu-kang-sucks/
No la couldnt be..Unless theyre bidding for Seletar package.I got a feeling Loyang might goes to foreign company also...Ulu Pandan might see either SMRT or SBST wins..After 2021 then we will see either a winning foreign co or Tower Transit win the bidding..
This Friday night i have a meeting with one of the Go Ahead Executive..I may be joining the bus industry back most probably as a trainer/BC
Now we have a South Korean company Kumho Buslines bidding on the next bus contract
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/south-korean-operator-to/1924534.html
Unless theyre offering a 2 days off rotating weekly,A minimum basic salary of $1700 w/o allowances and other benefits,The quest for Singaporeans to work will be very difficult