Government contracting model for public bus industry
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Proposed Transfer of BSEP buses under SBS Transit back to Government of Singapore on 31 December 2015:
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/download/proposed_transfer_of_buses.pdf
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/generalinfo/results.aspx?year=2015 -
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Proposed Transfer of BSEP buses under SBS Transit back to Government of Singapore on 31 December 2015:
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/download/proposed_transfer_of_buses.pdf
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/generalinfo/results.aspx?year=2015Hi sgbuses, thanks for sharing with us this valuable information. :)
In layman terms, the LTA wants to take back the buses bought by the Government for SBS Transit, by 31 December 2015. I believe the same goes for SMRT.
Whereas for the new buses after 31 December 2015, I think there would be buses taken back by the LTA, as part of the purchase may be funded by the Government.
Well, that means the initial bus fleet for bus routes in the Government Contracting Model for bus services would consist of the following models:
Double-decker buses- Volvo B9TL Wright
- Alexander-Dennis Enviro500
Single-decker buses- Mercedes-Benz Citaro
- MAN A22
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Would that mean services like 4, 20, 50, 116 will have to be operated by SBS then considering it will give BSEP buses back? In turn, given Jurong East / Clementi will be given to Tower Transit, SBS will have excess of buses as well.
My challenge is BSEP is more SDs than DDs... while Clementi/Jurong East services are majority DD than SD... how is LTA going to manage this? It has to either make bulk registration of DDs now... or some services will have their capacity downgraded.
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It was mentioned before somewhere in this forum that the LTA would initially use buses with the Emission Standard of Euro 5.
Euro 5 is on new buses made after October 2008.
The Volvo B9TL Wrights, Alexander-Dennis Enviro500s, Mercedes-Benz Citaros and MAN A22s deployed on our public bus routes have the Emission Standard of Euro 5.
Likewise for the Mercedes-Benz OC500LEs and part of the Scania K230UBs that are on our public bus routes.
I guess the LTA would buy the buses of Euro 5 Emission Standard that were bought by SBS Transit and SMRT. After factoring depreciation, it would cost less than to buy new buses. :)
Whereas for the buses made before October 2008 (without the Euro 5 Emission Standard), they would be replaced with new buses with Emission Standard of Euro 5 and above.
Likewise for the MAN A24s, if the LTA does not want to use Articulated buses.
I do not think there would be re-deployment of buses. Only replacements.
List of bus models made before October 2008 that will still be in service in 2016:
- 500/900 of the Scania K230UB
- 88 of the Mercedes-Benz O405
- 13 of the Volvo B10BLE
- 270 of the Volvo Olympian
- 52 of the Volvo B10TL
- 20 of the Dennis Trident 3
- 199 of the Volvo B9TL (Euro 3)
- 1 of the Scania K310UD
- 314 of the Mercedes-Benz Hispano Carrocera O405G
total: 1,457
^source: https://publictransportsg.wordpress.com/
If include the 41 MAN A24s, that's 1497 buses that have to replace;
588 Single-Decker buses, 555 Double-Decker buses, 314 Articulated buses.
Well, fleet replacements are on-going by SBS Transit and SMRT.
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If LTA has done its planning, the quantity of buses ordered under BSEP for the two incumbent operators would commensurate at least with the requirements for Bulim parcel tender.
Also recall that in one business news article, LTA faces a unique problem - they do not wish to unjustifiably give both incumbent operators a windfall by buying up the rest of their older fleet (many of which have already fully deprecated). The most plausible way to accomplish this while maximizing the lifespan of the older buses is to let them run until 2022, and then tender all the remaining parcels.
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Well, of the nine models (or 1457 buses) we have that do not have Emission Standard of Euro 5 and above, seven (or 757 buses) are not wheelchair accessible.
The aim is for 100% of public bus services to be wheelchair accessible by year 2020. One year replace around 151.4 non-wheelchair accessible buses. Eventually, all public buses would be wheelchair accessible.
Whereas for the buses that are wheelchair accessible, yet have Emission Standard of Euro 4 and below, we can re-deploy them to "special" bus routes.
We can use the 500 Scania K230UBs Single-Decker buses for bus routes that connect to Johor Bahru. At least they are wheelchair accessible, and are only one standard (Euro 4) below the Emission Standard (Euro 5) in majority of our public buses by then.
The 199 first generation of Volvo B9TL and that 1 Scania K310UD Double-Decker buses can be used for the City-Direct bus services, training of new bus captains, etcetera.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
It was mentioned before somewhere in this forum that the LTA would initially use buses with the Emission Standard of Euro 5.
Euro 5 is on new buses made after October 2008.
The Volvo B9TL Wrights, Alexander-Dennis Enviro500s, Mercedes-Benz Citaros and MAN A22s deployed on our public bus routes have the Emission Standard of Euro 5.
Likewise for the Mercedes-Benz OC500LEs and part of the Scania K230UBs that are on our public bus routes.
I guess the LTA would buy the buses of Euro 5 Emission Standard that were bought by SBS Transit and SMRT. After factoring depreciation, it would cost less than to buy new buses. :)
Whereas for the buses made before October 2008 (without the Euro 5 Emission Standard), they would be replaced with new buses with Emission Standard of Euro 5 and above.
Likewise for the MAN A24s, if the LTA does not want to use Articulated buses.
I do not think there would be re-deployment of buses. Only replacements.
List of bus models made before October 2008 that will still be in service in 2016:
- 500/900 of the Scania K230UB
- 88 of the Mercedes-Benz O405
- 13 of the Volvo B10BLE
- 270 of the Volvo Olympian
- 52 of the Volvo B10TL
- 20 of the Dennis Trident 3
- 199 of the Volvo B9TL (Euro 3)
- 1 of the Scania K310UD
- 314 of the Mercedes-Benz Hispano Carrocera O405G
total: 1,457
^source: https://publictransportsg.wordpress.com/
If include the 41 MAN A24s, that's 1497 buses that have to replace;
588 Single-Decker buses, 555 Double-Decker buses, 314 Articulated buses.
Well, fleet replacements are on-going by SBS Transit and SMRT.
Actually there are lesser buses (1358 buses).
WAB SD:
501 Scania K230UB Euro IV
1 Volvo B7RLE
Non-WAB SD:
12 Volvo B10BLE (CNG)
1 Scania L94UB
86 Volvo B10M
18 Mercedes-Benz O405
20 DAF SB220LTWAB DD:
1 Scania K310UD
199 Volvo B9TL Euro IIINon-WAB DD:
51 Volvo B10TL
20 Dennis Trident
216 Volvo OlympianArticulated:
232 Mercedes-Benz O405GOf which only these 1082 buses will remain after 2016:
WAB SD:
501 Scania K230UB Euro IV
1 Volvo B7RLE
Non-WAB SD:
12 Volvo B10BLE (CNG)
50 Volvo B10M
10 Mercedes-Benz O405WAB DD:
1 Scania K310UD
199 Volvo B9TL Euro IIINon-WAB DD:
51 Volvo B10TL
20 Dennis Trident
34 Volvo OlympianArticulated:
203 Mercedes-Benz O405G -
Thanks for the clarification.
Well, if 276 buses (1358-1082) are replaced in one year, it would take 3.92 years after 2016 to replace the remaining 1082 buses that do not have the Emission Standard of Euro 5 and above; by year 2020, all would be replaced.
However, I feel that it would be a waste to replace the Scania K230UB Euro 4 Single-Decker buses and the Volvo B9TL Euro 3 Double-Decker buses. They are still new (since year 2006 and year 2008), and are wheelchair-accessible.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
If LTA has done its planning, the quantity of buses ordered under BSEP for the two incumbent operators would commensurate at least with the requirements for Bulim parcel tender.
Also recall that in one business news article, LTA faces a unique problem - they do not wish to unjustifiably give both incumbent operators a windfall by buying up the rest of their older fleet (many of which have already fully deprecated). The most plausible way to accomplish this while maximizing the lifespan of the older buses is to let them run until 2022, and then tender all the remaining parcels.
Either way still have to spend money to buy buses.
If the LTA does not buy the "used" (Euro 5 and above) buses from SBS Transit and SMRT at a lower price (after factoring depreciation), or at the selling price when bought, it has to spend more money (considering inflation) to buy new buses.
Unless it is cheaper for the LTA to buy new buses, than to buy from SBS Transit and SMRT.
Well, I do not know.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Would that mean services like 4, 20, 50, 116 will have to be operated by SBS then considering it will give BSEP buses back? In turn, given Jurong East / Clementi will be given to Tower Transit, SBS will have excess of buses as well.
My challenge is BSEP is more SDs than DDs... while Clementi/Jurong East services are majority DD than SD... how is LTA going to manage this? It has to either make bulk registration of DDs now... or some services will have their capacity downgraded.
I guess the High Capacity buses currently deployed on bus routes in the Bulim and Loyang bus packages are mostly the Volvo B9TL Wrights and the Alexander-Dennis Enviro500s. I think we can focus our resources on replacing the non-Euro5 Double-Decker buses and the (at least the non-Euro5) Articulated buses, so that when the bus packages are implemented, the High Capacity buses would all have the Emission Standard of Euro5.
Each time focus on one area. Now focus on Bulim and Loyang. Next focus on Mandai and Ulu Pandan. Thereafter, to the subsequent bus packages as they are being implemented.
Actually, if there is a problem, it is with the Single-Decker buses. The ones on SBS Transit bus services are mostly the Scania K230UB, which only around 4/9 are the (Emission Standard) Euro5 edition. For the around 5/9 that are the Euro4 edition, I think we have to exchange with the Euro5 editions from other areas.
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I heard SMRT and Tower Transit will be buying 550 Enviro500s mainly to replace all the 230 articulated buses (excluding MAN A24), and the rest of the 320 to go to Bulim Bus Depot and Kranji Bus Depot respectively :)
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SBS Transit is in the process of replacing Volvo Olympian 3-Axles (Batch 2) and the rest of DM3500s, the rest, but not Batch 3, cos it is new :) into Citaros and Wrights.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
If LTA has done its planning, the quantity of buses ordered under BSEP for the two incumbent operators would commensurate at least with the requirements for Bulim parcel tender.
Also recall that in one business news article, LTA faces a unique problem - they do not wish to unjustifiably give both incumbent operators a windfall by buying up the rest of their older fleet (many of which have already fully deprecated). The most plausible way to accomplish this while maximizing the lifespan of the older buses is to let them run until 2022, and then tender all the remaining parcels.
Also recall that SBS has plans to sell some K230UBs to Bangkok, cos they are too desperate for 5 years.
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Went to the LTA website to read the article (http://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=28fca09a-bed6-48f4-99d4-18eeb8c496bd) on the Government Contracting Model again. It says that the "LTA will negotiate with the incumbents to run the nine packages under the contracting model, for durations of about five years when their BSOL expire on 31 August 2016. After these negotiated contracts expire, more bus services will be gradually tendered out.".
I guess this means SBS Transit and SMRT would continue to operate the nine remaining packages until around September 2021. By then, the public buses with Emission Standard of Euro 4 and below would probably all be replaced.
SBS Transit and SMRT would probably continue to buy new buses for fleet replacement, while the LTA would probably continue to buy new buses for its Bus Service Enhancement Program.
I guess the new buses bought by the LTA would continue to be of the same model as the ones bought by SBS Transit and SMRT, if it is the same type of bus.
Well, I hope to see new models. If everywhere is only Volvo B9TL Wright (and Alexander-Dennis Enviro500) and Mercedes-Benz Citaro (and MAN A22 and Scania K230UB), it feels very boring. Should have a variety, so that at least once a while can ride on a different bus model on the same bus route. :)
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Went to the LTA website to read the article (http://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=28fca09a-bed6-48f4-99d4-18eeb8c496bd) on the Government Contracting Model again. It says that the "LTA will negotiate with the incumbents to run the nine packages under the contracting model, for durations of about five years when their BSOL expire on 31 August 2016. After these negotiated contracts expire, more bus services will be gradually tendered out.".
I guess this means SBS Transit and SMRT would continue to operate the nine remaining packages until around September 2021. By then, the public buses with Emission Standard of Euro 4 and below would probably all be replaced.
SBS Transit and SMRT would probably continue to buy new buses for fleet replacement, while the LTA would probably continue to buy new buses for its Bus Service Enhancement Program.
I guess the new buses bought by the LTA would continue to be of the same model as the ones bought by SBS Transit and SMRT, if it is the same type of bus.
Well, I hope to see new models. If everywhere is only Volvo B9TL Wright (and Alexander-Dennis Enviro500) and Mercedes-Benz Citaro (and MAN A22 and Scania K230UB), it feels very boring. Should have a variety, so that at least once a while can ride on a different bus model on the same bus route. :)
Variety drives up costs of operation and maintenance. Already, it is a losing battle to fight against rising costs of bus transport.
Melbourne has a great variety of bus models (30+ on one operator alone!), but their basic bus fare is $3.76. Are you willing to pay that amount?
In any case, there's a reason why tender was called by LTA for a concept bus mockup.
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Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:
I heard SMRT and Tower Transit will be buying 550 Enviro500s mainly to replace all the 230 articulated buses (excluding MAN A24), and the rest of the 320 to go to Bulim Bus Depot and Kranji Bus Depot respectively :)
Hmmm.. well someone posted here... that the next order is going to be of MANA95s instead of E500s.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Hmmm.. well someone posted here... that the next order is going to be of MANA95s instead of E500s.
A95 i believe is SMRT own initiative and not LTA,LTA only take charge starting 1/1/16.The A95 orders would not be large quantity also.
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Guess we wont see any bendy buses even for short trunk svc in 2 years time..
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Short trunk svc like 172,180,184,859,860,962
964 & 983 all will get DDs instead.
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For SMRT they will stick with their current OC500LE,Citaro and A22 for single deck fleets,A95 and E500 for Double deckers and A24 for their feeders alongside a few A22.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Guess we wont see any bendy buses even for short trunk svc in 2 years time..
In due course even long feeders will have to get DDs or get spammed with SDs like 261/269
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And makes me wonder why those two operators keep on buying more single deckers when Sg need 75% DDs and 25% SDs?They forgetten that Sg Gov is targetting 6.9 or more population in future..
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We will be almost like HK in future,Small land many populations,Everywhere will be crowded and traffic jams is a normal thing even at night..Every square inch of land is damm expensive and im not suprised if a three HDB shoe box house will cost you more than $600k!!Brace yourself..
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Hi sgbuses, thanks for sharing with us this valuable information. :)
In layman terms, the LTA wants to take back the buses bought by the Government for SBS Transit, by 31 December 2015. I believe the same goes for SMRT.
Whereas for the new buses after 31 December 2015, I think there would be buses taken back by the LTA, as part of the purchase may be funded by the Government.
Well, that means the initial bus fleet for bus routes in the Government Contracting Model for bus services would consist of the following models:
Double-decker buses- Volvo B9TL Wright
- Alexander-Dennis Enviro500
Single-decker buses- Mercedes-Benz Citaro
- MAN A22
With reference to your third line, LTA is taking back buses up until those registered in June 2015...Those registered after July 2015 is not affected for now. Guess by the time Tower Transit take over those bus services, SBS Transit and SMRT will have already completed replacement for those being taken back...the rotting MANs should be for such purposes.